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Post by PreachCaleb on Mar 2, 2017 22:58:02 GMT
Agreed. I knew both Nolan and Snyder were the wrong guys for Superman from almost the very beginning just from the various interviews they'd given over the years.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 23:06:33 GMT
Yeah, they just don't get what makes Superman Superman. Now if only they'd hired the Russos before Marvel could. Then we'd have seen a film that celebrates Superman's character while putting him in a complicated world that needs some good old-fashioned decency to save the day.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 2, 2017 23:59:53 GMT
I think "Man of Steel" was a good foundation for a Superman trilogy. Small changes that would have altered the history of DC's films and their EXTENDED UNIVERSE:- Start by making the flashbacks either liner or no flashbacks (just in order). - Add Zod to the SMALLVILLE fight (showing Clark that he cannot beat them with his fists) - Zod gets sucked into the Phantom Zone with everyone else. - I would have cut the Superman destroying the satellite/drone thing with Gen. Swannwick ("I think he's kinda hawt") It would have went from Superman kissing Lois fades to Clark and Martha talking about "What will you do when you're not saving the world" Just those 4 MINOR changes... We are talking about a film making 750M+ and having a 70+ % RT score and a 7.5+ IMDb fan score. It would have went on to make Man of Steel 2 and 3. The second could have made a 2 villain plot like Luthor and Brainiac. I would have had Luthor as a good guy trying to do the right thing (cleaning up Metropolis) but being brainwashed by Brainiac. The third film would have been the "Death of Superman" It would have started with Superman saving the world from a villain in the first act (major battle to begin film) and then the news talking about how the past 8 years he's save the world. Then it would cut to 5 years later. The world is taking Superman for granted. Really make Doomsday a BIG deal. Then we see Superman sacrifice himself over and over until he makes the ultimate sacrifice at the end. Then the world realizes they needed Superman after all. Ends with funeral (like BvS ending) two separate funerals. Dust moves. End Trilogy. I would have changed a few more things: 1. Allow Clark to smile more often and have fun 2. Kill off Pa Kent in something more meaningful than that tornado scene 3. Put some action scene near the middle of the movie since it became pretty dragging in the middle 4. Hire a different actress for Lois Lane. 5. Get rid of that awful saturated color palette.
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Post by Lee on Mar 3, 2017 0:28:37 GMT
If you have sleeping problems, than Man of Steel is the perfect movie. Its so boring, after 1 hour, you can sleep like a baby.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Mar 3, 2017 13:57:39 GMT
Truth be told, I was bored five minutes in when I saw the design for Krypton.
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Post by SuperDevilDoctor on Mar 3, 2017 19:49:09 GMT
Beats the hell out of the 1978 film's "Styrofoam Planet of Albino Hairdressers"...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 20:08:52 GMT
Not really. Krypton in the Snyder film looks like every other futuristic planet we see in just about every Sci-Fi film. At least the Donner film's version of Krypton was unique for its time.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 3, 2017 20:27:40 GMT
I think "Man of Steel" was a good foundation for a Superman trilogy. Small changes that would have altered the history of DC's films and their EXTENDED UNIVERSE:- Start by making the flashbacks either liner or no flashbacks (just in order). - Add Zod to the SMALLVILLE fight (showing Clark that he cannot beat them with his fists) - Zod gets sucked into the Phantom Zone with everyone else. - I would have cut the Superman destroying the satellite/drone thing with Gen. Swannwick ("I think he's kinda hawt") It would have went from Superman kissing Lois fades to Clark and Martha talking about "What will you do when you're not saving the world" Just those 4 MINOR changes... We are talking about a film making 750M+ and having a 70+ % RT score and a 7.5+ IMDb fan score. It would have went on to make Man of Steel 2 and 3. The second could have made a 2 villain plot like Luthor and Brainiac. I would have had Luthor as a good guy trying to do the right thing (cleaning up Metropolis) but being brainwashed by Brainiac. The third film would have been the "Death of Superman" It would have started with Superman saving the world from a villain in the first act (major battle to begin film) and then the news talking about how the past 8 years he's save the world. Then it would cut to 5 years later. The world is taking Superman for granted. Really make Doomsday a BIG deal. Then we see Superman sacrifice himself over and over until he makes the ultimate sacrifice at the end. Then the world realizes they needed Superman after all. Ends with funeral (like BvS ending) two separate funerals. Dust moves. End Trilogy. There were just tons of weird writing choices that appeared to be poorly thought out or just lazy. Lois falling away from a black hole stands out as being a great example. Constrast that with how Loki almost falls into one in TDW, which would be the right way to do it. Then there was the bizarre atmosphere plot and all of the other usual head scratchers. It's not bad, and not unrecoverable. They could have moved on with it, but it reminds me of Rise of the Silver Surfer and I'd say those are about equal.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Mar 6, 2017 14:15:09 GMT
Beats the hell out of the 1978 film's "Styrofoam Planet of Albino Hairdressers"... Actually, it doesn't. That Krypton was an actual set and not a green screen. It was a unique interpretation of an alien planet. Where as MoS, looked like they tried to combine middle earth with 50's sci-fi.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 14:36:53 GMT
Not really. Krypton in the Snyder film looks like every other futuristic planet we see in just about every Sci-Fi film. At least the Donner film's version of Krypton was unique for its time. That's true. Donner did something that was completely unique. Snyder make a Krypton that was kinda boring. Very busy, but boring.
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Post by SuperDevilDoctor on Mar 6, 2017 15:01:34 GMT
I disagree.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Mar 6, 2017 15:17:39 GMT
Not really. Krypton in the Snyder film looks like every other futuristic planet we see in just about every Sci-Fi film. At least the Donner film's version of Krypton was unique for its time. That's true. Donner did something that was completely unique. Snyder make a Krypton that was kinda boring. Very busy, but boring. Busy but boring is an excellent assessment. Especially the weird grey goopey holograms.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 19:29:01 GMT
That's true. Donner did something that was completely unique. Snyder make a Krypton that was kinda boring. Very busy, but boring. Busy but boring is an excellent assessment. Especially the weird grey goopey holograms. Honestly, even if Snyder decided not to focus on making it look unique, he should have at least gone for making it look "functional", like, you look at everything and think, "Yeah, I can see how that works and what it's for." I think my favorite Krypton is from the Timm's Superman: The Animated Series, honestly, exactly because of how functional it looked.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Mar 6, 2017 20:10:29 GMT
Timm and company did a wonderful job with Superman. Krypton looked and felt alien, yet not overly sci-fi.
And, most importantly, they focused on Clark becoming a hero, rather than just Clark getting super powers, which is what Snyder's version seems in a hurry to get to. He focused on the "super" and forgot about the "man."
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 20:43:45 GMT
Sadly, yes.
Timm struck the perfect balance of giving Superman a character with struggles, both internal and external, and making him a hero. They made him interesting without ever compromising the fact he's Superman.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Mar 6, 2017 21:51:28 GMT
Snyder wanted to focus on the alien. But he didn't understand that people love Superman not because he's an unrelatable alien, but because he grew up as a human, a farm boy who went on to become one of the greatest heroes ever. Not because of his awesome power, but because of his humanity.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 0:32:03 GMT
I think the problem with the film was as much Snyder not understanding any of the elements of the character you just mentioned as it was him wanting to focus on the fourth kind aspect.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 7, 2017 0:48:00 GMT
I felt that Snyder just wanted to show how cool it was for Superman to use his powers and unleash them. Thus why you get a scary-looking Superman.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Mar 7, 2017 13:53:24 GMT
Yeah. I found it odd that one of Superman's lines is all about how his "S" symbolizes hope, yet there was practically none found in the movie. It was doom and gloom. Heck, even the sequel ramped up the the whole Superman is a scary alien bit.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 18:52:58 GMT
I felt that Snyder just wanted to show how cool it was for Superman to use his powers and unleash them. Thus why you get a scary-looking Superman. I don't agree with that. Otherwise we would have see 'Freeze Breath' and cooler 'slo-mo' where everyone is frozen but Superman is moving so fast he looks normal speed. Like rain drops standing still while Superman super speeds and stuff like that. He tried to go back to the Silver Age Superman (when it comes to powers) he couldn't super speed and save Jonathan Kent without people seeing him.
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