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Post by poelzig on Nov 15, 2017 2:59:16 GMT
It is that easy. First off, you need to not be naive--and we need to teach people to not be naive--and you need to think through these sorts of things before the situation comes up. If it's going to be a difficult decision for you whether you'd have sex with someone just to stay in the gravy or whatever, then you need to weigh those options so that you can make a decision when the situation comes up. Whatever you decide, that's your choice. If it becomes violent, you need to know how to protect yourself. Everyone needs to learn self-defense. Not just for this situation. Everyone needs to know self-defense period. A man doing what you're describing is doing absolutely nothing wrong. He'd only be doing something wrong if he were to become violent. It's up to the other person to decline, and if things become violent, with any situation, incuding if they were to be mugged or attacked in general, they need to know how to handle themselves. You saying: "A man doing what you're describing is doing absolutely nothing wrong" in response to: "...he closes the door behind you whips his thang and tries to rub it on you" speaks volumes without me needing to say anything more.
Whatever the turtle is it likes sexual predators rubbing their dongs on women, men and children. Very creepy.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 15, 2017 15:35:38 GMT
You saying: "A man doing what you're describing is doing absolutely nothing wrong" in response to: "...he closes the door behind you whips his thang and tries to rub it on you" speaks volumes without me needing to say anything more.
Whatever the turtle is it likes sexual predators rubbing their dongs on women, men and children. Very creepy. That is weird
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Post by kuatorises on Nov 15, 2017 20:32:13 GMT
So you're cool with guys puling out their cocks and grinding on you and your family members. Got it. I'm cool with it not being illegal. Beyond that it's up to the family member. If they don't like it, ask the person to stop, walk away, etc. What is wrong with you? Don't actually answer that. I don't have any interest in listening to you try to justify your sick beliefs, I just wanted to be known that I think you're disgusting.
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Post by poelzig on Nov 15, 2017 21:28:49 GMT
I'm cool with it not being illegal. Beyond that it's up to the family member. If they don't like it, ask the person to stop, walk away, etc. What is wrong with you? Don't actually answer that. I don't have any interest in listening to you try to justify your sick beliefs, I just wanted to be known that I think you're disgusting. I thought we were all misreading terrapins comment but it's painfully obvious we did not. Maybe terrapin is Predator CK or Harvey.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Nov 15, 2017 21:45:49 GMT
I'm cool with it not being illegal. Beyond that it's up to the family member. If they don't like it, ask the person to stop, walk away, etc. What is wrong with you? Don't actually answer that. I don't have any interest in listening to you try to justify your sick beliefs, I just wanted to be known that I think you're disgusting. When I saw that you replied to a post of mine, never in a million years did I think that you'd say something like you said above. I was assuming you'd completely agree with me. Psych!
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 16, 2017 16:50:57 GMT
That's easy to say from a hypothetical point of view. You would think it would be that easy, but I'll bet its not. My understanding is that the women involved did some variation of what you suggested. But its not as simple as you make it when the situation involves a person to whom you are financially dependent or he becomes physical.
But look, We need to NOT further victimize the victims. What we need to do is create an environment where this sort of thing does not happen in the first place. Men need to be more aware of their own actions, and women need to be more pro-active in their own defense.
Too many fappers around if you ask me. Just shoot em all I say! Seriously though, how do you propose to create this environment, especially when they are in a private environment, that may even be their own home? It's just not going to happen and if a man flops out his doodle to show off to some chick— or dude—in an attempt to impress them, it will just have to be dealt with with it on the spot, or WALK AWAY. If there is no physical violent force involved, and one makes a choice to go to a private place with someone they hardly know, then perhaps that is just a small consequence. I have been around females that have exposed their boobs to me in a private place in an attempt to get me interested. One was even on a main rd at night. Put your floppy funbags back, not interested sweetheart. Thats the thing! The environment is created when BOTH sides of the equation, woman AND men, are aware of the problem and committed to making change. Problem is men and women have different opinions about it because of our positions in that scenario.
For example: When that woman came at you with the boobs did she have power over you in some way and did she make a demand of you? Did she put you in a compromising position afterwards when you shoed no interest? Did you feel physically threatened? Did you feel financially threatened? Some guys would probably even like such behavior towards them. Maybe even most guys. But just because we'd be okay with that doesn't mean that women have to be. On the other hand women have to be more proactive as well, and seek out male allies.
I believe change will happen. We're clearly just not there yet.
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Post by deembastille on Nov 16, 2017 17:00:08 GMT
Too many fappers around if you ask me. Just shoot em all I say! Seriously though, how do you propose to create this environment, especially when they are in a private environment, that may even be their own home? It's just not going to happen and if a man flops out his doodle to show off to some chick— or dude—in an attempt to impress them, it will just have to be dealt with with it on the spot, or WALK AWAY. If there is no physical violent force involved, and one makes a choice to go to a private place with someone they hardly know, then perhaps that is just a small consequence. I have been around females that have exposed their boobs to me in a private place in an attempt to get me interested. One was even on a main rd at night. Put your floppy funbags back, not interested sweetheart. Thats the thing! The environment is created when BOTH sides of the equation, woman AND men, are aware of the problem and committed to making change. Problem is men and women have different opinions about it because of our positions in that scenario.
For example: When that woman came at you with the boobs did she have power over you in some way and did she make a demand of you? Did she put you in a compromising position afterwards when you shoed no interest? Did you feel physically threatened? Did you feel financially threatened? Some guys would probably even like such behavior towards them. Maybe even most guys. But just because we'd be okay with that doesn't mean that women have to be. On the other hand women have to be more proactive as well, and seek out male allies.
I believe change will happen. We're clearly just not there yet.
I agree. I went to school with a girl who was very ample chested. She would literally fling them onto guy's backs (plural) and then when the guys would take the hint and act on the obvious come-on she would start screaming bloody murder and how she was being sexually harassed. People need to wake up and accept responsibility for their actions.
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Post by MiketheMechanic on Nov 16, 2017 17:03:37 GMT
This just in: Senator Al Franken Accused of Groping a Woman in 2006WASHINGTON — A growing national outcry over sexual harassment reached the Senate on Thursday, when a radio newscaster accused Al Franken, Democrat of Minnesota, of kissing and groping her without consent during a 2006 U.S.O. tour of the Middle East before he took public office. Mr. Franken almost immediately released an apology to the newscaster, Leeann Tweeden, who said that Mr. Franken forcibly kissed her during a rehearsal and groped her for a photo as she slept. “I certainly don’t remember the rehearsal for the skit in the same way, but I send my sincerest apologies to Leeann,” Mr. Franken, who has been mentioned as a possible presidential candidate, said in a statement. “As to the photo, it was clearly intended to be funny but wasn’t. I shouldn’t have done it.” www.nytimes.com/2017/11/16/us/politics/al-franken-sexual-harassment-groping-forcible-kissing.html?emc=edit_na_20171116&nl=breaking-news&nlid=69401762&ref=cta
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Post by shannondegroot on Nov 16, 2017 23:24:17 GMT
Now it's Sylvester Stallone's time.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 17, 2017 14:30:16 GMT
Thats the thing! The environment is created when BOTH sides of the equation, woman AND men, are aware of the problem and committed to making change. Problem is men and women have different opinions about it because of our positions in that scenario.
For example: When that woman came at you with the boobs did she have power over you in some way and did she make a demand of you? Did she put you in a compromising position afterwards when you shoed no interest? Did you feel physically threatened? Did you feel financially threatened? Some guys would probably even like such behavior towards them. Maybe even most guys. But just because we'd be okay with that doesn't mean that women have to be. On the other hand women have to be more proactive as well, and seek out male allies.
I believe change will happen. We're clearly just not there yet.
It's about acting appropriately and accordingly, but we can't control the behaviors of others, even if we try. There are also other factors that may contribute, and being inebriated, coked up, perhaps both can determine why one behaves the way they do. Not to mention mental disorders, but sometimes I think that just might be an arrogant cop out and many people are caught up in their own egoism, sense of self-importance and narcissism. It's no wonder the entertainment industry is being targeted here. The paradox here though, and also hypocrisy, is most people like to watch these entertainers and what they produce. It's like a double edged sword and there is never going to be complete harmony, life here on earth just doesn't offer that resolution. There is way too much suffering and also denial of the suffering. Seeing oneself as a victim, also needs to be put into perspective, compared to what others can experience or suffer through. Just to answer your question, no, those women didn't have power over me. I have power over myself. They probably felt that their sexuality\gender would have power over me, but may have felt deflated because I'm not interested in what they had to offer physically\sexually. They either thought I should be interested, or wanted me to be interested. How else do they lure men to pay them any interest or mind? It can become about manipulation on both sides of the fence. No, we cant control anyone elses behavior, that's why we have to be aware of our OWN behavior. Its not going to be easy. But we can catch ourselves and be mindful, male and female.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 17, 2017 14:30:56 GMT
Now it's Sylvester Stallone's time. There'd been rumors about him in the past though. What happened this time? link please?
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Post by Nora on Nov 17, 2017 14:48:03 GMT
Then you accept an invitation to drinks again. Again he seems fine.
He invites you to a party. You get there, he shows you around, meet folks who could help your career, everythings going well.
The party starts to wind down. He invites you to a more private area in the house. You think he's probably going to snort a line of coke but you go anyway because either you wouldn't mind snorting line of coke too or you just don't want to be rude and are planning on saying you don't do coke anyhow. Once there he close the door behind you whips his thang and tries to rub it on you.
What do you do?
you say so and you leave. i just cant fathom any other response unless there was an imminent physical threat made to me… another thing i dont like about this whole thing is that it somewhat makes women be seen as quite weak, unable to vocalize they dont like something, afraid to speak up, fragile to the point of allowing themselves to be "traumatized for decades" (as they say) rather than saying "no, stop it AND walking out" Obviously if they are physically threatened or stopped thats a different story. Also, I find the notion of distributing illegal heavy drugs (such as cocaine) worse than jerking off in front of someone (especially if I asked and they didnt say no or didn't leave).
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Post by shannondegroot on Nov 17, 2017 14:56:03 GMT
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 17, 2017 15:02:12 GMT
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Post by kuatorises on Nov 17, 2017 16:05:06 GMT
The floodgates have been opened for both the victims and those looking to make a buck. I am quite confident that some of these people coming foward are telling the truth and others are just opportunists.
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Post by deembastille on Nov 17, 2017 18:03:47 GMT
It's about acting appropriately and accordingly, but we can't control the behaviors of others, even if we try. There are also other factors that may contribute, and being inebriated, coked up, perhaps both can determine why one behaves the way they do. Not to mention mental disorders, but sometimes I think that just might be an arrogant cop out and many people are caught up in their own egoism, sense of self-importance and narcissism. It's no wonder the entertainment industry is being targeted here. The paradox here though, and also hypocrisy, is most people like to watch these entertainers and what they produce. It's like a double edged sword and there is never going to be complete harmony, life here on earth just doesn't offer that resolution. There is way too much suffering and also denial of the suffering. Seeing oneself as a victim, also needs to be put into perspective, compared to what others can experience or suffer through. Just to answer your question, no, those women didn't have power over me. I have power over myself. They probably felt that their sexuality\gender would have power over me, but may have felt deflated because I'm not interested in what they had to offer physically\sexually. They either thought I should be interested, or wanted me to be interested. How else do they lure men to pay them any interest or mind? It can become about manipulation on both sides of the fence. No, we cant control anyone elses behavior, that's why we have to be aware of our OWN behavior. Its not going to be easy. But we can catch ourselves and be mindful, male and female. And that's why I always say, if you are going to dress in a Barbie doll dress the you damn well better be able to handle yourself.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 17, 2017 21:28:04 GMT
No, we cant control anyone elses behavior, that's why we have to be aware of our OWN behavior. Its not going to be easy. But we can catch ourselves and be mindful, male and female. And that's why I always say, if you are going to dress in a Barbie doll dress the you damn well better be able to handle yourself. Are you really female?
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Post by deembastille on Nov 17, 2017 22:06:30 GMT
And that's why I always say, if you are going to dress in a Barbie doll dress the you damn well better be able to handle yourself. Are you really female? Yes. Born that way. I was brought up to have respect for myself and others. If I don't respect myself how can I expect respect from others? Why do you ask?
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Post by MiketheMechanic on Nov 18, 2017 3:39:31 GMT
The floodgates have been opened for both the victims and those looking to make a buck. I am quite confident that some of these people coming toward are telling the truth and others are just opportunists. We have to assume that they're all hopefully telling the truth but so many coming out at the same time? It's just mind-boggling, every day a different celebrity is being accused of harassment. Is law enforcement pursuing all of these allegations? And are all of them seeking money damages or are they just airing their stories? I truly feel sorry for all of the victims but it really is hard to keep track of every single allegation. I don't know....I just think that the entertainment business as we know it will no longer be the same.
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Post by Eλευθερί on Nov 18, 2017 18:21:01 GMT
For those of you who aren't following US politics, there is a candidate for the US Senate who has been accused by multiple women of sexual misbehavior dating back to the late 70s and early 80s when the women were in their teens (one as young as 14). What makes these allegations particularly horrifying, if true, is that the candidate is running on a holier-than-thou platform in the holier-than-thou political party. He was infamously kicked off his state supreme court twice--once for refusing to remove a statue of the Ten Commandments he had had installed (illegally) on government property, and then for telling state officers to refuse to recognize same-sex marriages, in defiance of a ruling of the US Supreme Court, because the ruling conflicted with "God's law" in his view. One of the lines his defenders have been trotting out over the past few days is that you can't judge people's actions from back then using today's standards. WTF? It was wrong for a man in his 30s to try to have sex with a 14- or 16-year-old girl back then just as it is today. I just watched the old Hill Street Blues tv show on DVD a few months ago. There were a couple of episodes in 1983 in which one of the characters, a police detective in his 30s who was something of a lothario, was eyeing highschool girls who were visiting the precinct house. His partner kept cautioning him that if he tried anything, he could find himself convicted of statutory rape.
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