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Post by politicidal on Nov 3, 2017 18:38:20 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2017 4:01:42 GMT
Alien ran its course back in '86.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Nov 4, 2017 5:17:13 GMT
Alien ran its course back in '86. Fun fact: I actually refused to see ALIEN3, because I "knew" it could not possibly live up to ALIENS, which, at the time, was one of my all time favorites. From everything I have ever heard, it didn't.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2017 5:34:48 GMT
Alien ran its course back in '86. Fun fact: I actually refused to see ALIEN3, because I "knew" it could not possibly live up to ALIENS, which, at the time, was one of my all time favorites. From everything I have ever heard, it didn't. It is a mess. Muddled script, relentlessly bleak on levels that'd make Batman v Superman say it needs to lighten up, and just... charmless. However, I will give it this. After Alien 3, there was this sense that it was done. Over. Trilogy complete. I'd take the series ending in '92 over what came next with Resurrection, and then Alien vs. Predator films, and then Prometheus, and Laurel and Hardy to Go Space, er, I mean, Alien: Covenant. Ugh... The Alien and Terminator franchises have just been so ruthlessly battered and beaten, man.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2017 18:45:26 GMT
No it's not. We just need someone who actually gives a fuck. Give Dennis Villeneauve a Alien film to direct and I'm sure it'd be incredible.
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Post by politicidal on Nov 7, 2017 20:24:00 GMT
No it's not. We just need someone who actually gives a fuck. Give Dennis Villeneauve a Alien film to direct and I'm sure it'd be incredible. If they actually made the movie they promised with Prometheus, and to a lesser extent Covenant, that'd work fine for me. Some story of space explorers finding alien ruins and uncovering their lost history.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2017 17:48:39 GMT
No it's not. We just need someone who actually gives a fuck. Give Dennis Villeneauve a Alien film to direct and I'm sure it'd be incredible. Yes, it has. There's only so much you can do with the xenomorphs. The series should have ended in 1986.
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Post by MooseNugget on Nov 9, 2017 1:50:41 GMT
I liked Prometheus but every film after Aliens didn't need to happen.
Covenant sucked. There was nothing scary about that film. I would have rather had the series having some mystic to it rather than getting terrible films like it to explain what happened.
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Post by SciFive on Nov 13, 2017 22:39:41 GMT
No it's not. We just need someone who actually gives a fuck. Give Dennis Villeneauve a Alien film to direct and I'm sure it'd be incredible. Yeah, he's good.
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Post by SciFive on Nov 13, 2017 22:47:40 GMT
Not terribly pleased with his take on all this. I'm with those who feel the franchise should have stopped in 1986. "Alien"/"Aliens" were survival movies more than they were "creature" movies, in my view. He wants to turn "David" into the new creature, or something. Not pleased. I never thought "Ash" was the center of "Alien" so I don't think a big buildup with robots doing bad things is justified as a lead-up to Ash going nuts in the first movie. I dunno.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 7:10:36 GMT
Not terribly pleased with his take on all this. I'm with those who feel the franchise should have stopped in 1986. "Alien"/"Aliens" were survival movies more than they were "creature" movies, in my view. He wants to turn "David" into the new creature, or something. Not pleased. I never thought "Ash" was the center of "Alien" so I don't think a big buildup with robots doing bad things is justified as a lead-up to Ash going nuts in the first movie. I dunno. Especially considering David and Ash aren't even the same models by a long shot. And it completely undermines Bishop.
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Post by SciFive on Nov 14, 2017 8:42:00 GMT
Not terribly pleased with his take on all this. I'm with those who feel the franchise should have stopped in 1986. "Alien"/"Aliens" were survival movies more than they were "creature" movies, in my view. He wants to turn "David" into the new creature, or something. Not pleased. I never thought "Ash" was the center of "Alien" so I don't think a big buildup with robots doing bad things is justified as a lead-up to Ash going nuts in the first movie. I dunno. Especially considering David and Ash aren't even the same models by a long shot. And it completely undermines Bishop.Yeah, there's that! Good point.
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Post by kuatorises on Nov 14, 2017 16:10:52 GMT
Did you read the article? He's talking about the xenomorph.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Nov 23, 2017 21:15:40 GMT
So much of ALIEN's impact was due to the Giger design. Take it away and at least half the film is gone. But there is only so many times you can show the thing before it wears off. It's been done to death.
He's right.
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Post by kevin on Nov 23, 2017 21:25:03 GMT
Alien is one of my favorite movies ever and I ever since I saw it for the first time I've been very interested in the 'Alien universe'. Even though it could've been so much better, I was still interested in the world and the backstory Ridley Scott showed in Prometheus. Right now, they just need someone with a fresh artistic vision and the studio needs to give more creative freedom to director. Maybe someone like Villeneuve, Cuarón or del Toro. If they would really dare to take a risk I'd be interested to see what kind of Alien movie Aronofsky would make.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2017 2:40:11 GMT
Alien ran its course back in '86. Fun fact: I actually refused to see ALIEN3, because I "knew" it could not possibly live up to ALIENS, which, at the time, was one of my all time favorites. From everything I have ever heard, it didn't. No it didn't. The worst sin was the opening five minutes. I'll spoiler it, I guess. 1. They show an egg hatching on the Sulaco. But there was no egg on the Sulaco. There's no logical way an egg could possibly be on the Sulaco. So right away the entire premise of the film shatters under faulty logic. Seriously, the single smartest thing Cameron did with Aliens was to treat the original movie with respect and make everything he did grow seamlessly from that original work without damaging it one bit. He wanted colonists on the planet, so he went to the trouble of making a terraforming colony and then used that idea for his movie. He didn't just go "oh, people can live there now because I want them there for my story" and leave the audience to wonder WTF was going on. This alone was an irredeemable flaw.
2) The movie kills Hicks and Newt off screen, within the first five minutes. Again, what a great way to take a giant dump on the previous movie! Let's take one half of the survivors, people the audience has come to know and like... and just unceremoniously off them without the audience even seeing it. So your audience is now both puzzled and angry at your movie. Good start. Then throw in that the whole thing is so completely depressing and unrelentingly bleak. And then add that the creature effects are, for the most part, terrible. They wanted a Xeno that was doglike, but nothing they tried worked. They even tried dressing a dog up in a Xeno costume : ...which looked ridiculous. They settled on a mix of puppetry and CGI. But the puppetry looks mostly bad, and the CGI looks mostly worse. After the incredible creature execution of Alien and Aliens, this is a huge letdown. But the saddest thing about it is that there's actually a good movie under there trying to get out. It's not a horrible effort, by any means, it's more like a fairly good movie crushed to death by flaws and compromises and meddling that it could never overcome.
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Post by syafiqjabar on Dec 11, 2017 8:08:55 GMT
It's quite possible that Covenant would have done better at the box office if: 1) it has more focus on the Engineers instead of the xenos like Fox wanted. 2) They titled it "Prometheus 2" instead.
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Post by politicidal on Dec 11, 2017 18:28:34 GMT
It's quite possible that Covenant would have done better at the box office if: 1) it has more focus on the Engineers instead of the xenos like Fox wanted. 2) They titled it "Prometheus 2" instead. I'd much prefer a continuation of what Prometheus started.
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Post by DarkManX on Dec 14, 2017 0:27:26 GMT
The Alien franchise has been run out for some time and these awful prequels didn't help anything. I do believe there is huge prequel potential, but not in the way it's been going.
It needs a new direction. AvP could have been that had they not screwed it up.
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Post by hi224 on Dec 15, 2017 20:32:51 GMT
No it's not. We just need someone who actually gives a fuck. Give Dennis Villeneauve a Alien film to direct and I'm sure it'd be incredible. This Ridley you are tired go now.
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