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Post by deblovesbeccy on Nov 7, 2017 11:19:05 GMT
Yeah. She has. It says in the actual Red Sonja graphic novel by Dynamite Entertainment Red Sonja has over 100 million sales worldwide and is the most popular spinoff character in the history of comic books outselling the 'Conan the Barbarian' comic book series she spunoff from. ![]()
Only way that could be is if it has morphed into a Harlequin romance type phenomenon--which means its readership is different from traditional superhero comics with its boy adventure focus. And if Conan is not following the Howard model (and I suspect it isn't, it must be saddled with SJW ideology) then it is no surprise it would not be selling well. Conan saved Marvel in 1970 precisely because it was a return to a traditional western hero character even though it was greatly simplified from REH's version. The old hero formula remains attractive even if the studios don't want to profit from it.
Multiple independent male and female comic book writers have spoken about how ‘Witchblade’ turned the industry on its head in the 90s and lead to a female lead series revolution in comics and up until ‘Witchblade’ the comic book industry was predominantly sexist with very few female lead series and the most popular female characters they had at the time were killed, crippled or raped and impregnated by their own sons. The 90s changed that and while they
may have oversexualised some characters with unrealistic they also created some of the most badass female superheroes we ever had and LGBT characters such as Razor who currently has a movie in development by Rob Cohen. Razor was created in the image of Everette Hartsoe’s (the creator) sister was killed in real life when she was a teenager trying to be a vigilante and in the comic book Razor comes back from the dead impervious to pain and becomes a superhero and she slashes criminals heads off and cuts them up into pieces. The Razor series has a reputation for being one of the most violent comic book series of all time and was beating a lot of other series at its peak. A lot of the biggest selling and most popular female lead series weren't under DC or Marvel. They were under companies like Image Comics which is why Image Comics is the number 3 Comic Book company in the world and nearly dethroned Marvel with the sales of Spawn, Witchblade, Youngblood and Gen 13  |
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Post by deblovesbeccy on Nov 7, 2017 11:29:35 GMT
That doesn't make any difference. There have been other studios that have made flop after flop and gone on to have hits. I am more interested in the writers and actors of this movie than the studio. With a writer like Gail Simone or Amy Chu who have both offered their services I believe this could easily be a hit.  And that’s the problem. This studio has been making one critical flop after another. It’s the same reason why I don’t have a lot of faith in ‘Hellboy’ reboot.  |
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Nov 7, 2017 16:18:58 GMT
‘Red Sonja’ received the same boost many other female lead series had at the time thanks to the success of ‘Witchblade’ which came along and outsold nearly every single DC and Marvel series between 1995-2015 and other names like Lady Death, Shi, Razor and Supergirl (Linda Danvers) who were all very popular in the 90s. The success of ‘Witchblade’ not only lead to multiple spinoff series under Top Cow such as the Darkness, Aphrodite IX, The Magdalena, Artifacts, the Angelus, the Necromancer, Switch etc it also helped multiple other successful female lead series get picked up in the 90s and 00s such as Fathom, Soulfire, Painkiller Jane, Hack/Slash, Avegeleyne, Hellina, Birds of Prey, Danger Girl, Nancy In Hell, Tarot: Witch of the Black Rose, Belladonna, the Ravening, The 10th Muse, Purgatori, Fallen Angel, Wynonna Earp, Lady Rawhide etc to more recent series of today like Saga, Monstress, Wonderland (Zenescope), Grimm Fairy Tales, Bitch Planet, Rat Queens, the Wicked & the Divine, Red Fury, Rogues!, Jennifer Blood and Exlibrium. It also helped many female lead series from the past make comebacks like Red Sonja, Vampirella, Sheena: Queen of the Jungle, Batgirl and Ms Marvel.
Multiple independent male and female comic book writers have spoken about how ‘Witchblade’ turned the industry on its head in the 90s and lead to a female lead series revolution in comics and up until ‘Witchblade’ the comic book industry was predominantly sexist with very few female lead series and the most popular female characters they had at the time were killed, crippled or raped and impregnated by their own sons. The 90s changed that and while they
may have oversexualised some characters with unrealistic they also created some of the most badass female superheroes we ever had and LGBT characters such as Razor who currently has a movie in development by Rob Cohen. Razor was created in the image of Everette Hartsoe’s (the creator) sister was killed in real life when she was a teenager trying to be a vigilante and in the comic book Razor comes back from the dead impervious to pain and becomes a superhero and she slashes criminals heads off and cuts them up into pieces. The Razor series has a reputation for being one of the most violent comic book series of all time and was beating a lot of other series at its peak. A lot of the biggest selling and most popular female lead series weren't under DC or Marvel. They were under companies like Image Comics which is why Image Comics is the number 3 Comic Book company in the world and nearly dethroned Marvel with the sales of Spawn, Witchblade, Youngblood and Gen 13 ![]() wow! You are a walking encyclopedia on this subject! |
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Post by leesilm on Nov 7, 2017 20:11:01 GMT
I can name a handful of actresses who are 6ft or taller, most of them are blue-eyed and blonde, though with the success of WONDER WOMAN as well as THOR3, and if BLACK PANTHER does pretty good numbers, studios may figure out audiences are cool with a more diverse offering on the big screen. What choice does the audience have? The media companies have money to do what they want--audiences either watch what they make or don't. There is no proof that the conglomerates care about audience tastes (as I keep saying--audiences did not ask for Kardashians). They claim Western audiences dont matter because they make their money in Asia. Will be interesting how they market Black Panther in China. If they do not bother, then it proves Disney and friends do not actually rely on China for money like they claim. Seriously, where did those Trek-baddies-with-mispelled-name come from? I still sometimes have to stop and think when someone brings one of them up, and try to remember who they even are. Then again, I think the last time I watched a reality show was the final episode of QUEER EYE FOR THE STRAIGHT GUY (Which was a fantastic show, just saying), so I'm a liiiiiiiittle bit out of touch. I am hoping that the new RED SONJA movie is good, and they get an actress audiences will like as Sonja. |
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Post by deblovesbeccy on Feb 8, 2018 6:45:48 GMT
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Post by leesilm on Feb 8, 2018 17:30:38 GMT
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Post by leesilm on Feb 12, 2018 14:16:47 GMT
I actually saw this actress in ROBIN HOOD and was impressed with her even though she doesn't really speak and doesn't rate a name in the credits, she's listed simply as, "Little John's Wench". If you see the movie, Kevin Durand plays Little John (and he's like 6'6?) and he sees this 'wench' in Locksley and comments, "She's about my size. I'm gonna make her smile.", then you see her dance with him and you see her interacting with him several times, but you also see her when the village is attacked and she's protecting children from armed French soldiers. She's 6'2, seems her hair is red/reddish-brown by her IMDB photos, and she's got a shape more like a healthy woman and not like a stick (no offense meant to women who naturally have or work to have a lithe, slender frame/build). They could send her to do some training, a la the actresses in WONDER WOMAN, and they'd have a great Red Sonja in no time. www.imdb.com/name/nm2397450/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t51 |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 12, 2018 14:30:23 GMT
As long as it is hardcore bloody graphic, like the first Conan film and it's remake.
I liked the Nielsen version, however, I did prefer Conan The Destroyer over it. Same director a year later.
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Post by deblovesbeccy on Feb 13, 2018 11:41:34 GMT
I actually saw this actress in ROBIN HOOD and was impressed with her even though she doesn't really speak and doesn't rate a name in the credits, she's listed simply as, "Little John's Wench". If you see the movie, Kevin Durand plays Little John (and he's like 6'6?) and he sees this 'wench' in Locksley and comments, "She's about my size. I'm gonna make her smile.", then you see her dance with him and you see her interacting with him several times, but you also see her when the village is attacked and she's protecting children from armed French soldiers. She's 6'2, seems her hair is red/reddish-brown by her IMDB photos, and she's got a shape more like a healthy woman and not like a stick (no offense meant to women who naturally have or work to have a lithe, slender frame/build). They could send her to do some training, a la the actresses in WONDER WOMAN, and they'd have a great Red Sonja in no time. www.imdb.com/name/nm2397450/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t51 |
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Post by deblovesbeccy on Feb 13, 2018 12:02:52 GMT
As long as it is hardcore bloody graphic, like the first Conan film and it's remake. I liked the Nielsen version, however, I did prefer Conan The Destroyer over it. Same director a year later. 
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Post by Caesar Roberto on Feb 13, 2018 13:40:51 GMT
I think I remember seeing an IMDb page and a poster for a new Red Sonja movie years ago. I don't remember who the actress was though. Is this the same one? Was that one canceled/shelved?
I think it may have been late 2000s or early 2010s when I saw it.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 13, 2018 22:46:15 GMT
As long as it is hardcore bloody graphic, like the first Conan film and it's remake. I liked the Nielsen version, however, I did prefer Conan The Destroyer over it. Same director a year later.
Hi Deb, No, I haven't read the comics. Never even see a Red Sonja one. Thing is, we don't want a pussified Red Sonja movie, but a full throttled, in your face and don't mess with me Red Sonja. If it's not rated MA15+, I won't go see it. |
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Feb 13, 2018 22:55:18 GMT
If doesn't wear the metal bikini I'm out.
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Post by deblovesbeccy on Feb 21, 2018 10:47:01 GMT
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Post by deblovesbeccy on Feb 21, 2018 10:48:29 GMT
If doesn't wear the metal bikini I'm out.
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Post by deblovesbeccy on Feb 21, 2018 10:58:21 GMT
Have you read any of the comic book series by Gail Simone, Amy Chu, Marguerite Bennett, Ron Marz and Brian Reed under Dynamite Entertainment? The comic books are very different than the movie and the movie had far more in common with Red Sonya of Rogatino from 'The Shadow of the Vulture' by Robert E. Howard than Red Sonja (who was loosely based on that character but is more like Howard's Dark Agnes de Chastillon) and the director said it was written as a parody. The 'Red Sonja' are very dark, bloody and violent and Red Sonja cuts people's heads off and fights monsters that are the size of buildings with her sword. The character was given a complete makeover when Dynamite Entertainment took over the series and the Red Sonja of today is actually not the same character who originally appeared in Marvel comic books. Gail Simone removed a lot of the sexist elements associated with the character before including the "she will not sleep with a man until he has beaten her in battle" part and made her bisexual. The new movie is going to be completely different especially with 'Red Sonja LLC' now owning full control of the character and having big say over everything that gets made.
Hi Deb, No, I haven't read the comics. Never even see a Red Sonja one. Thing is, we don't want a pussified Red Sonja movie, but a full throttled, in your face and don't mess with me Red Sonja. If it's not rated MA15+, I won't go see it. 
Gail Simone to Helm Red Sonja/Tarzan Crossover Series for Dynamite www.cbr.com/red-sonja-tarzan-crossover-dynamite-gail-simone/ |
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Post by Caesar Roberto on Feb 21, 2018 12:43:39 GMT
Yes, that's the one! That's a shame about the hand thing and the movie being cancelled. Why did they not wait for her to heal and finish off the movie? That 2nd poster looks really cool. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 21, 2018 13:40:44 GMT
Hi Deb, No, I haven't read the comics. Never even see a Red Sonja one. Thing is, we don't want a pussified Red Sonja movie, but a full throttled, in your face and don't mess with me Red Sonja. If it's not rated MA15+, I won't go see it. It won't be released R18+ rated downunder. That would be commercial suicide. The 'R' rating talk about most movies, is in regards the US ratings, as that is where most are produced and financed. They operate on a different classification system. Their 'R' rating is the same guidelines as MA15+, except the age is 17 not 15 for accompaniment. I love those comic image covers. |
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Post by deblovesbeccy on Feb 23, 2018 7:15:56 GMT
That was Rose McGowan and the movie was being made by Robert Rodriguez. Something happened to Rose and she broke her hand while she was filming the movie and lost feeling in her right arm which made it impossible for her to carry around the sword. The movie was put on hold but after Rose broke up with Robert and pulled out it was scrapped. Some promo pics did surface though. 
Yes, that's the one! That's a shame about the hand thing and the movie being cancelled. Why did they not wait for her to heal and finish off the movie? That 2nd poster looks really cool.
Yeah. It sucks that it didn't go through back then. The images that were released looked pretty awesome but now they have had more time this movie could be even better. Looking back on some articles about Rose's injury it was believed they were going to wait when she got injured and there were articles 3 months after her injury where they were still talking about it and Rose was going to play the role but then the talk died down and I read she had existed the movie around the time her and Robert Rodriguez broke up. The studio had Amber Heard attached to play 'Red Sonja' next but that didn't go through and there was an R rated TV show being developed by Bryan Singer that didn't go through either. The success of 'Wonder Woman' has changed a lot studios minds now with developing female lead comic books 'cause they see there is a demand for more of them and we should have some more information on 'Red Sonja' soon. 
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It will be interesting to see who ends up getting the leading role and with the ‘Red Sonja’ movie being fast-tracked (with a 2020 release date in mind) I don’t think we will have to wait very long to find out. There are a number of actresses I think could be awesome as Red Sonja and Bridget Regan and Charlize Theron are two names I have seen suggested by fans and I will be happy as long as they don’t hire somebody who looks like they have never spent a day inside of a gym in their lives ‘cause Red Sonja is supposed to be athletic, strong and muscular looking and should have the same build as a WWE wrestler like Beth Phoenix, Natalya or Charlotte Flair. I am also interested in seeing what comic books they use for the inspiration and I would love to see them base it on the series by Gail Simone but Amy Chu’s recent series with Red Sonja in the present fighting monsters in the middle of cities and riding on a motorcycle would be fun to see too and would be completely different than anything they have done with a character like that in a movie. 
