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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2017 11:19:05 GMT
Yeah. She has. It says in the actual Red Sonja graphic novel by Dynamite Entertainment Red Sonja has over 100 million sales worldwide and is the most popular spinoff character in the history of comic books outselling the 'Conan the Barbarian' comic book series she spunoff from.
Only way that could be is if it has morphed into a Harlequin romance type phenomenon--which means its readership is different from traditional superhero comics with its boy adventure focus. And if Conan is not following the Howard model (and I suspect it isn't, it must be saddled with SJW ideology) then it is no surprise it would not be selling well. Conan saved Marvel in 1970 precisely because it was a return to a traditional western hero character even though it was greatly simplified from REH's version. The old hero formula remains attractive even if the studios don't want to profit from it. ‘Red Sonja’ received the same boost many other female lead series had at the time thanks to the success of ‘Witchblade’ which came along and outsold nearly every single DC and Marvel series between 1995-2015 and other names like Lady Death, Shi, Razor and Supergirl (Linda Danvers) who were all very popular in the 90s. The success of ‘Witchblade’ not only lead to multiple spinoff series under Top Cow such as the Darkness, Aphrodite IX, The Magdalena, Artifacts, the Angelus, the Necromancer, Switch etc it also helped multiple other successful female lead series get picked up in the 90s and 00s such as Fathom, Soulfire, Painkiller Jane, Hack/Slash, Avegeleyne, Hellina, Birds of Prey, Danger Girl, Nancy In Hell, Tarot: Witch of the Black Rose, Belladonna, the Ravening, The 10th Muse, Purgatori, Fallen Angel, Wynonna Earp, Lady Rawhide etc to more recent series of today like Saga, Monstress, Wonderland (Zenescope), Grimm Fairy Tales, Bitch Planet, Rat Queens, the Wicked & the Divine, Red Fury, Rogues!, Jennifer Blood and Exlibrium. It also helped many female lead series from the past make comebacks like Red Sonja, Vampirella, Sheena: Queen of the Jungle, Batgirl and Ms Marvel.
Multiple independent male and female comic book writers have spoken about how ‘Witchblade’ turned the industry on its head in the 90s and lead to a female lead series revolution in comics and up until ‘Witchblade’ the comic book industry was predominantly sexist with very few female lead series and the most popular female characters they had at the time were killed, crippled or raped and impregnated by their own sons. The 90s changed that and while they may have oversexualised some characters with unrealistic they also created some of the most badass female superheroes we ever had and LGBT characters such as Razor who currently has a movie in development by Rob Cohen. Razor was created in the image of Everette Hartsoe’s (the creator) sister was killed in real life when she was a teenager trying to be a vigilante and in the comic book Razor comes back from the dead impervious to pain and becomes a superhero and she slashes criminals heads off and cuts them up into pieces. The Razor series has a reputation for being one of the most violent comic book series of all time and was beating a lot of other series at its peak. A lot of the biggest selling and most popular female lead series weren't under DC or Marvel. They were under companies like Image Comics which is why Image Comics is the number 3 Comic Book company in the world and nearly dethroned Marvel with the sales of Spawn, Witchblade, Youngblood and Gen 13
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2017 11:29:35 GMT
That doesn't make any difference. There have been other studios that have made flop after flop and gone on to have hits. I am more interested in the writers and actors of this movie than the studio. With a writer like Gail Simone or Amy Chu who have both offered their services I believe this could easily be a hit. And that’s the problem. This studio has been making one critical flop after another. It’s the same reason why I don’t have a lot of faith in ‘Hellboy’ reboot. Well, I guess we will just have to wait and see. I am thinking positively and my verdict will depend on the writers and actors they get for the movie. New Line Cinema went over a decade with flop after flop before they released 'A Nightmare On Elm Street' in the 80s and they still had a lot of flops after that and now they are one of the biggest film companies in the world.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Nov 7, 2017 16:18:58 GMT
‘Red Sonja’ received the same boost many other female lead series had at the time thanks to the success of ‘Witchblade’ which came along and outsold nearly every single DC and Marvel series between 1995-2015 and other names like Lady Death, Shi, Razor and Supergirl (Linda Danvers) who were all very popular in the 90s. The success of ‘Witchblade’ not only lead to multiple spinoff series under Top Cow such as the Darkness, Aphrodite IX, The Magdalena, Artifacts, the Angelus, the Necromancer, Switch etc it also helped multiple other successful female lead series get picked up in the 90s and 00s such as Fathom, Soulfire, Painkiller Jane, Hack/Slash, Avegeleyne, Hellina, Birds of Prey, Danger Girl, Nancy In Hell, Tarot: Witch of the Black Rose, Belladonna, the Ravening, The 10th Muse, Purgatori, Fallen Angel, Wynonna Earp, Lady Rawhide etc to more recent series of today like Saga, Monstress, Wonderland (Zenescope), Grimm Fairy Tales, Bitch Planet, Rat Queens, the Wicked & the Divine, Red Fury, Rogues!, Jennifer Blood and Exlibrium. It also helped many female lead series from the past make comebacks like Red Sonja, Vampirella, Sheena: Queen of the Jungle, Batgirl and Ms Marvel.
Multiple independent male and female comic book writers have spoken about how ‘Witchblade’ turned the industry on its head in the 90s and lead to a female lead series revolution in comics and up until ‘Witchblade’ the comic book industry was predominantly sexist with very few female lead series and the most popular female characters they had at the time were killed, crippled or raped and impregnated by their own sons. The 90s changed that and while they may have oversexualised some characters with unrealistic they also created some of the most badass female superheroes we ever had and LGBT characters such as Razor who currently has a movie in development by Rob Cohen. Razor was created in the image of Everette Hartsoe’s (the creator) sister was killed in real life when she was a teenager trying to be a vigilante and in the comic book Razor comes back from the dead impervious to pain and becomes a superhero and she slashes criminals heads off and cuts them up into pieces. The Razor series has a reputation for being one of the most violent comic book series of all time and was beating a lot of other series at its peak. A lot of the biggest selling and most popular female lead series weren't under DC or Marvel. They were under companies like Image Comics which is why Image Comics is the number 3 Comic Book company in the world and nearly dethroned Marvel with the sales of Spawn, Witchblade, Youngblood and Gen 13 wow! You are a walking encyclopedia on this subject!
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Post by leesilm on Nov 7, 2017 20:11:01 GMT
I can name a handful of actresses who are 6ft or taller, most of them are blue-eyed and blonde, though with the success of WONDER WOMAN as well as THOR3, and if BLACK PANTHER does pretty good numbers, studios may figure out audiences are cool with a more diverse offering on the big screen. What choice does the audience have? The media companies have money to do what they want--audiences either watch what they make or don't. There is no proof that the conglomerates care about audience tastes (as I keep saying--audiences did not ask for Kardashians). They claim Western audiences dont matter because they make their money in Asia. Will be interesting how they market Black Panther in China. If they do not bother, then it proves Disney and friends do not actually rely on China for money like they claim. Seriously, where did those Trek-baddies-with-mispelled-name come from? I still sometimes have to stop and think when someone brings one of them up, and try to remember who they even are. Then again, I think the last time I watched a reality show was the final episode of QUEER EYE FOR THE STRAIGHT GUY (Which was a fantastic show, just saying), so I'm a liiiiiiiittle bit out of touch. I am hoping that the new RED SONJA movie is good, and they get an actress audiences will like as Sonja.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 6:45:48 GMT
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Post by leesilm on Feb 8, 2018 17:30:38 GMT
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Post by leesilm on Feb 12, 2018 14:16:47 GMT
I actually saw this actress in ROBIN HOOD and was impressed with her even though she doesn't really speak and doesn't rate a name in the credits, she's listed simply as, "Little John's Wench". If you see the movie, Kevin Durand plays Little John (and he's like 6'6?) and he sees this 'wench' in Locksley and comments, "She's about my size. I'm gonna make her smile.", then you see her dance with him and you see her interacting with him several times, but you also see her when the village is attacked and she's protecting children from armed French soldiers. She's 6'2, seems her hair is red/reddish-brown by her IMDB photos, and she's got a shape more like a healthy woman and not like a stick (no offense meant to women who naturally have or work to have a lithe, slender frame/build). They could send her to do some training, a la the actresses in WONDER WOMAN, and they'd have a great Red Sonja in no time. www.imdb.com/name/nm2397450/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t51
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 11:41:34 GMT
I actually saw this actress in ROBIN HOOD and was impressed with her even though she doesn't really speak and doesn't rate a name in the credits, she's listed simply as, "Little John's Wench". If you see the movie, Kevin Durand plays Little John (and he's like 6'6?) and he sees this 'wench' in Locksley and comments, "She's about my size. I'm gonna make her smile.", then you see her dance with him and you see her interacting with him several times, but you also see her when the village is attacked and she's protecting children from armed French soldiers. She's 6'2, seems her hair is red/reddish-brown by her IMDB photos, and she's got a shape more like a healthy woman and not like a stick (no offense meant to women who naturally have or work to have a lithe, slender frame/build). They could send her to do some training, a la the actresses in WONDER WOMAN, and they'd have a great Red Sonja in no time. www.imdb.com/name/nm2397450/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t51 Oohh yes. I do know of her from the 'Van Helsing' TV show which is based on the comic book series by Zenescope Entertainment and she is the right size to play the character but I am not exactly sure if they will choose to go with a lesser known or an actress who is well known 'cause they had Rose McGowan attached to the movie before she got injured and had to pull out. I think it might be better to go with a lesser known but I think they will most likely go with a big name actress which means they will have to spend a lot of time in a gym and train for the role 'cause I can't think of any big name actresses that are the right size and build to play Red Sonja. Finding the right actress is most likely going to be their toughest challenge.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 12:02:52 GMT
As long as it is hardcore bloody graphic, like the first Conan film and it's remake. I liked the Nielsen version, however, I did prefer Conan The Destroyer over it. Same director a year later. Have you read any of the comic book series by Gail Simone, Amy Chu, Marguerite Bennett, Ron Marz and Brian Reed under Dynamite Entertainment? The comic books are very different than the movie and the movie had far more in common with Red Sonya of Rogatino from 'The Shadow of the Vulture' by Robert E. Howard than Red Sonja (who was loosely based on that character but is more like Howard's Dark Agnes de Chastillon) and the director said it was written as a parody. The 'Red Sonja' are very dark, bloody and violent and Red Sonja cuts people's heads off and fights monsters that are the size of buildings with her sword. The character was given a complete makeover when Dynamite Entertainment took over the series and the Red Sonja of today is actually not the same character who originally appeared in Marvel comic books. Gail Simone removed a lot of the sexist elements associated with the character before including the "she will not sleep with a man until he has beaten her in battle" part and made her bisexual. The new movie is going to be completely different especially with 'Red Sonja LLC' now owning full control of the character and having big say over everything that gets made.
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Post by Roberto on Feb 13, 2018 13:40:51 GMT
I think I remember seeing an IMDb page and a poster for a new Red Sonja movie years ago. I don't remember who the actress was though. Is this the same one? Was that one canceled/shelved?
I think it may have been late 2000s or early 2010s when I saw it.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Feb 13, 2018 22:55:18 GMT
If doesn't wear the metal bikini I'm out.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 10:48:29 GMT
If doesn't wear the metal bikini I'm out. I have no doubt the actress will wear it. It is her trademark look.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 10:58:21 GMT
Have you read any of the comic book series by Gail Simone, Amy Chu, Marguerite Bennett, Ron Marz and Brian Reed under Dynamite Entertainment? The comic books are very different than the movie and the movie had far more in common with Red Sonya of Rogatino from 'The Shadow of the Vulture' by Robert E. Howard than Red Sonja (who was loosely based on that character but is more like Howard's Dark Agnes de Chastillon) and the director said it was written as a parody. The 'Red Sonja' are very dark, bloody and violent and Red Sonja cuts people's heads off and fights monsters that are the size of buildings with her sword. The character was given a complete makeover when Dynamite Entertainment took over the series and the Red Sonja of today is actually not the same character who originally appeared in Marvel comic books. Gail Simone removed a lot of the sexist elements associated with the character before including the "she will not sleep with a man until he has beaten her in battle" part and made her bisexual. The new movie is going to be completely different especially with 'Red Sonja LLC' now owning full control of the character and having big say over everything that gets made.
Hi Deb, No, I haven't read the comics. Never even see a Red Sonja one. Thing is, we don't want a pussified Red Sonja movie, but a full throttled, in your face and don't mess with me Red Sonja. If it's not rated MA15+, I won't go see it. From what I read it is going to be R rated so I don't think it is going to be 'pussified' as you called it and if it is anything like the comic books which they are saying it will be it is going to be very violent and brutal. You should really check out the comic books sometime though as they are awesome and some great news for fans of 'Red Sonja' Gail Simone is returning to Red Sonja for a brand new 'Red Sonja/ Tarzan' crossover series. Gail Simone to Helm Red Sonja/Tarzan Crossover Series for Dynamitewww.cbr.com/red-sonja-tarzan-crossover-dynamite-gail-simone/
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Post by Roberto on Feb 21, 2018 12:43:39 GMT
Yes, that's the one! That's a shame about the hand thing and the movie being cancelled. Why did they not wait for her to heal and finish off the movie? That 2nd poster looks really cool.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2018 7:15:56 GMT
That was Rose McGowan and the movie was being made by Robert Rodriguez. Something happened to Rose and she broke her hand while she was filming the movie and lost feeling in her right arm which made it impossible for her to carry around the sword. The movie was put on hold but after Rose broke up with Robert and pulled out it was scrapped. Some promo pics did surface though.
Yes, that's the one! That's a shame about the hand thing and the movie being cancelled. Why did they not wait for her to heal and finish off the movie? That 2nd poster looks really cool. Yeah. It sucks that it didn't go through back then. The images that were released looked pretty awesome but now they have had more time this movie could be even better. Looking back on some articles about Rose's injury it was believed they were going to wait when she got injured and there were articles 3 months after her injury where they were still talking about it and Rose was going to play the role but then the talk died down and I read she had existed the movie around the time her and Robert Rodriguez broke up. The studio had Amber Heard attached to play 'Red Sonja' next but that didn't go through and there was an R rated TV show being developed by Bryan Singer that didn't go through either. The success of 'Wonder Woman' has changed a lot studios minds now with developing female lead comic books 'cause they see there is a demand for more of them and we should have some more information on 'Red Sonja' soon.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2018 7:28:14 GMT
From what I read it is going to be R rated so I don't think it is going to be 'pussified' as you called it and if it is anything like the comic books which they are saying it will be it is going to be very violent and brutal. You should really check out the comic books sometime though as they are awesome and some great news for fans of 'Red Sonja' Gail Simone is returning to Red Sonja for a brand new 'Red Sonja/ Tarzan' crossover series. It won't be released R18+ rated downunder. That would be commercial suicide. The 'R' rating talk about most movies, is in regards the US ratings, as that is where most are produced and financed. They operate on a different classification system. Their 'R' rating is the same guidelines as MA15+, except the age is 17 not 15 for accompaniment. I love those comic image covers. Thanks for letting me know about that Toasted Cheese. I assumed the ratings in the US were the same as ours and I didn't know MA was 17 for accompaniment and not 15. I don't know what rating it will get here but you can expect there to be blood, gore and even some nudity if it is a proper adaption and I am looking forward to finding out what actress they cast in the role this time and while it might not be a big detail to some people I hope she has red hair or dyes her hair red 'cause a 'Red Sonja' movie without an actress with red hair would look kinda silly and they don't have Superman with long blonde hair or Batman with curly red hair. I love the covers and artwork in the comics too and some of the monsters might be hard to pull off but I think they could do it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2018 5:29:28 GMT
I don't think they would have much issue with the CGI technology they have today pulling off the creative fantasy aspect and elements. Red Sonja appears to be a very empowering and no-nonsense female comic book creation and I'm certain they will do her justice. She is a warrior through and through and no different to say Conan, regardless of gender. If they don't give her red hair, no point in calling it Red Sonja, that would be an insult to the audience and Red Sonja herself. Perhaps Deb, you need to be the technical advisor on the film, to make sure they get it right. Ratings are a flummox. Every different country has it's own classification system and it can become quite confusing and hypocritical. What one may be-able to see in OZ, could be restricted to a specific age and over, say in NZ. Many MA15+'s, may be R16 or even R18 in NZ and no-one under that age is permitted to see them in a cinema at all. They have R13 and R15 too. Some R18+'s in OZ have been R16 and R13 in NZ. Suicide Squad in NZ, was automatically rated M by the film labeling body in NZ, due to it's classification here in OZ. Some group of parents complained about the content of it, and the OFLC in NZ then reviewed the film and they upped it to an R13, to keep younger kids from seeing it. Of course it is bulldust, because they would just end up seeing it on dvd or streamed at home, even if it does bear whatever age restriction. That is then up to the parents. Here is an example of the MPAA (Motion Picture Association of America) ratings\classifications. Not many films get the NC17 rating in the States, which they perhaps should, because many exhibitors refuse to screen them. They relate it to porn for some reason. A film in the States, can also be released "unrated", as the MPAA, or CARA the sub-body (Classification and Ratings Administration), is not a legally binding federal government body: Hi Toasted Cheese
Thanks for the information and sorry for being taking so long to get back to you but I have been away for the past week on my honeymoon with Beccy and we got married for the second time on the 24th of February (the very first time here in Australia) and our wedding was wonderful and it was even better than our first one ‘cause we had my family and friends there for it this time and some of them weren’t able to come to our first wedding ‘cause they couldn’t get time off work to travel. Even we did not attend the parade this year it was an awesome time to get married around the same time as the 40th anniversary of the ‘Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras’ ‘cause our country has come so far in the last 40 years and only a year ago I didn’t think we would be able to get married here until after the next election but that has changed.
Yes. ‘Red Sonja’ is a very empowering and no-nonsense female lead comic book series and I am really hoping they do her justice this time ‘cause I have been waiting a long time to see a proper Red Sonja movie and I think if it is done right it could be very successful and could lead to multiple movies since there are so many awesome stories that could be adapted to screen but the studios need to hire the right writers this time and the right actress 'cause the success of the movie is dependent on that. A lot of past female lead comic book movies have failed on the big screen 'cause they were poorly written and the writers weren't as good as the comic book writers and while there have been some exceptions like the recent 'Wonder Woman' movie the majority of the most popular adaptions have been TV shows like 'Wonder Woman', 'Sabrina the Teenage Witch', 'Witchblade', 'Wynonna Earp', 'Van Helsing' and 'Supergirl.' With 'Red Sonja' getting a push thanks to the success of 'Wonder Woman' the future of female lead comic book movies is very reliant on this movie and Jessica Chastain's 'Painkiller Jane' being successful 'cause to get a lot of the biggest selling female lead comic book movies on screen it is not going to be through DC or Marvel.
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