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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Nov 10, 2017 21:38:40 GMT
Base on the early reviews, it's really no different from the reception of Age of Ultron. DC(-)fans are lying to themselves when they say this will be amazing but MCU films suck. Seriously, slap Marvel on this film, and they'd be saying it's terrible.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 10, 2017 21:41:32 GMT
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Nov 10, 2017 22:00:08 GMT
Completely random argument. We cannot even assess that before having seen the film.
AoU suffered of the loss of the initial energy and momentum the first film had; it was just a uninspired repetition and you felt people where there for the money, and felt the behind the scenes conflicts.
It felt like an early burn out. That seems not to be the JL problem. The energy and character interaction is the best thing about it.
The films will share problems like weak villains, crappy CGI and potentially cringe worthy Weedon dialog like the infamous Black Widow dialogue (Babies...Monster...Hide the Zucchini) and the shoe horned in abominable Ragnarök bathing vision crap (which was more serious that FraggleRock all together).
I hope JL will be between Avengers and AoU, but ultimately an animal of it's own with it's own flaws and merits.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Nov 10, 2017 22:04:25 GMT
Completely random argument. We cannot even assess that before having seen the film. AoU suffered of the loss of the initial energy and momentum the first film had; it was just a uninspired repetition and you felt people where there for the money, and felt the behind the scenes conflicts. It felt like an early burn out. That seems not to be the JL problem. The energy and character interaction is the best thing about it. The films will share problems like weak villains, crappy CGI and potentially cringe worthy Weedon dialog like the infamous Black Widow dialogue (Babies...Monster...Hide the Zucchini) and the shoe horned in abominable Ragnarök bathing vision crap (which was more serious that FraggleRock all together). I hope JL will be between Avengers and AoU, but ultimately an animal of it's own with it's own flaws and merits. Okay fine, don't compare it to AoU, but everything else you just listed are major problems for you guys with the MCU. So it still could be essentially a Marvel film |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Nov 10, 2017 22:09:55 GMT
Completely random argument. We cannot even assess that before having seen the film. AoU suffered of the loss of the initial energy and momentum the first film had; it was just a uninspired repetition and you felt people where there for the money, and felt the behind the scenes conflicts. It felt like an early burn out. That seems not to be the JL problem. The energy and character interaction is the best thing about it. The films will share problems like weak villains, crappy CGI and potentially cringe worthy Weedon dialog like the infamous Black Widow dialogue (Babies...Monster...Hide the Zucchini) and the shoe horned in abominable Ragnarök bathing vision crap (which was more serious that FraggleRock all together). I hope JL will be between Avengers and AoU, but ultimately an animal of it's own with it's own flaws and merits. Okay fine, don't compare it to AoU, but everything else you just listed are major problems for you guys with the MCU. So it still could be essentially a Marvel film probably, I will have to see the film first. The DCEU has many issues including weak villains. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 10, 2017 22:12:41 GMT
Base on the early reviews, it's really no different from the reception of Age of Ultron. DC(-)fans are lying to themselves when they say this will be amazing but MCU films suck. Seriously, slap Marvel on this film, and they'd be saying it's terrible. Actually I'm reading a lot about zero plot, no character development, and CGI that isn't too convincing, which isn't like a Marvel film at all. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 10, 2017 23:18:20 GMT
Hey as long as its better than Age of Ultron. It would be fun if DC out "Marvel" Marvel!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 23:25:31 GMT
Hey as long as its better than Age of Ultron. It would be fun if DC out "Marvel" Marvel! I would enjoy that too. It would be entertaining to watch DC fanatics desperately trying to explain why the DC movie is better.  |
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Post by scabab on Nov 10, 2017 23:42:08 GMT
Yeah it looks like it has the same weak villain problem Marvel has. They also had with Ares in Wonder Woman.
I was hoping Zod would be the standard they'd go with.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 11, 2017 0:38:13 GMT
Yeah it looks like it has the same weak villain problem Marvel has. They also had with Ares in Wonder Woman. I was hoping Zod would be the standard they'd go with. We realize Marvel has a lot of strong villains though right? I'm pretty sure DC has the bigger villain problem. I'm not even sure Marvel has one tbh. |
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Post by scabab on Nov 11, 2017 0:54:54 GMT
Yeah it looks like it has the same weak villain problem Marvel has. They also had with Ares in Wonder Woman. I was hoping Zod would be the standard they'd go with. We realize Marvel has a lot of strong villains though right? I'm pretty sure DC has the bigger villain problem. I'm not even sure Marvel has one tbh. In the MCU specifically? No it's actually been pretty poor, it's something the MCU is criticised for most after the use of its humour. Even now in response to this movie, pretty much all the top comments on IGN are about it having a weak villain just like Marvel. They've had a few good ones, Loki, Vulture, Winter Soldier and perhaps Ego but that's four at a push from out of 17 movies. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 11, 2017 1:03:07 GMT
We realize Marvel has a lot of strong villains though right? I'm pretty sure DC has the bigger villain problem. I'm not even sure Marvel has one tbh. In the MCU specifically? No it's actually been pretty poor, it's something the MCU is criticised for most after the use of its humour. Even now in response to this movie, pretty much all the top comments on IGN are about it having a weak villain just like Marvel. They've had a few good ones, Loki, Vulture, Winter Soldier and perhaps Ego but that's four at a push from out of 17 movies. I know it's been criticized for it, but moreso than it's deserved. And there are definitely more than those 4. Alexander Pierce, Red Skull, Zemo, Stane, and frankly I don't see any problem with the villains we've had in Dr. Strange, Guardians, Ant Man, etc. We've had great performances out of all of them.
I'd say it's more a cliche'd response than an actual problem.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 11, 2017 1:52:38 GMT
We realize Marvel has a lot of strong villains though right? I'm pretty sure DC has the bigger villain problem. I'm not even sure Marvel has one tbh. In the MCU specifically? No it's actually been pretty poor, it's something the MCU is criticised for most after the use of its humour. Even now in response to this movie, pretty much all the top comments on IGN are about it having a weak villain just like Marvel. They've had a few good ones, Loki, Vulture, Winter Soldier and perhaps Ego but that's four at a push from out of 17 movies. That's because traditionally the villains always stole the show from the lead in a CBM, DC did this a lot too. MCU inverted this and audiences still have a hard time accepting it. |
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Post by scabab on Nov 11, 2017 3:06:33 GMT
In the MCU specifically? No it's actually been pretty poor, it's something the MCU is criticised for most after the use of its humour. Even now in response to this movie, pretty much all the top comments on IGN are about it having a weak villain just like Marvel. They've had a few good ones, Loki, Vulture, Winter Soldier and perhaps Ego but that's four at a push from out of 17 movies. That's because traditionally the villains always stole the show from the lead in a CBM, DC did this a lot too. MCU inverted this and audiences still have a hard time accepting it. Not really, it never happened in the original Superman movies, the Spider-man movies, the X-men movies, the Blade movies etc. It only really happened in the original Batman movies. People just generally don't care for most of the MCU villains because they aren't that good or memorable in any worthwhile way. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 11, 2017 3:20:43 GMT
That's because traditionally the villains always stole the show from the lead in a CBM, DC did this a lot too. MCU inverted this and audiences still have a hard time accepting it. Not really, it never happened in the original Superman movies, the Spider-man movies, the X-men movies, the Blade movies etc. It only really happened in the original Batman movies. People just generally don't care for most of the MCU villains because they aren't that good or memorable in any worthwhile way. It did happen in the Donner movies, was barely averted in the Spidey movies and happened DEFINITELY in the X-Movies. But I'm not in the mood to argue now. |
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Post by scabab on Nov 11, 2017 3:31:35 GMT
Not really, it never happened in the original Superman movies, the Spider-man movies, the X-men movies, the Blade movies etc. It only really happened in the original Batman movies. People just generally don't care for most of the MCU villains because they aren't that good or memorable in any worthwhile way. It did happen in the Donner movies, was barely averted in the Spidey movies and happened DEFINITELY in the X-Movies. But I'm not in the mood to argue now. There wasn't any villain that overshadowed Superman. Lex Luthor and Zod were good characters but they never took away from Superman's role in that movie at all. The main villain in the X-men movies Magneto, had a more significant role than the secondary hero characters but the main hero and character in those movies was Wolverine and he was never overshadowed by Magneto. |
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Post by kuatorises on Nov 11, 2017 3:44:01 GMT
Base on the early reviews, it's really no different from the reception of Age of Ultron. DC(-)fans are lying to themselves when they say this will be amazing but MCU films suck. Seriously, slap Marvel on this film, and they'd be saying it's terrible. Essentially, yeah. Nicely stated, Sir! |
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 11, 2017 5:38:34 GMT
Seriously, slap Marvel on this film, and they'd be saying it's terrible. Slap Marvel Studios on this film, and all the critics would be saying "Best CBM evah!" |
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Nov 11, 2017 5:43:35 GMT
Seriously, slap Marvel on this film, and they'd be saying it's terrible. Slap Marvel Studios on this film, and all the critics would be saying "Best CBM evah!" Nope, the MCU movies get critiqued fairly. You're just upset that Marvel Studios makes the best CBMs out of all the other studios. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 11, 2017 5:55:06 GMT
That's because traditionally the villains always stole the show from the lead in a CBM, DC did this a lot too. MCU inverted this and audiences still have a hard time accepting it. Not really, it never happened in the original Superman movies This proves that formersamhmd is a biased MCU fan who can't be taken seriously. Because anybody who thinks the villains in the Christopher Reeve Superman movies overshadowed Superman either didn't see those movies or is biased.
Superman: The Movie - the movie was mainly about Superman discovering his Kyrptonian heritage, moving to Metropolis and getting a job and establishing his Clark Kent identity, making his 1st public appearance as Superman (the most iconic scene in CBM history - Superman flying up to catch Lois and then catching the falling helicopter with 1 hand, all while John Williams' classic theme, 1 of the most recognized themes in Hollywood history, is playing), the 1st interview with Lois and taking Lois on a flying tour of Metropolis, and finally saving people from the earthquake. Lex didn't overshadow Superman at all.
Superman II - the movie was mainly about Lois discovering that Clark is Superman, Superman making the decision to give up his superpowers so he could be with Lois, Superman finding out about Zod and returning to the fortress, and finally the big showdown between Superman and the 3 Kryptonians. Again, Zod and the 3 Kryptonians didn't overshadow Superman at all.
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