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Post by jsnification on Feb 21, 2017 5:18:02 GMT
Another Josh and Daisy TLJ Vid! youtu.be/VPA7E6jTkx8Daisy Ridley gets pumped even more for SW info by Josh Gad and friends! Be sure to check my playlists for tons of stuff! More vids soon!
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Post by starwarsisawesome123 on Feb 22, 2017 2:16:27 GMT
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Post by jsnification on Feb 25, 2017 8:09:43 GMT
STAR WARS The Last Jedi CAST Pics! Part 45 youtu.be/I6Bhob1JtaINew cast pics of the late Carrie Fisher, Peter Mayhew, Mark Hamill, Adam Driver, Daisy Ridley, and Andy Serkis Also featuring Jonathan Ke Quan (Short Round) and Gary Fisher! Be sure to check my playlists for tons of stuff! More vids soon!
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Post by jsnification on Mar 2, 2017 8:35:35 GMT
STAR WARS The Last Jedi CAST Pics! Part 46 youtu.be/d-_GckSJyjQNew pics of Rian Johnson with the teaser poster , Mark Hamill, Daisy Ridley, and John Boyega! Be sure to check my playlists for tons of stuff! More vids soon!
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Post by ryboto on Mar 2, 2017 13:12:45 GMT
A new director can't really save what TFA did...Only way I'll watch it is if someone confirms after release that they removed all the mystery box crap, and they confirm that Luke was controlling Rey's actions all along. Only way I'll give this a go in theaters vs pirate it when it's on DVD.
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Post by jsnification on Mar 3, 2017 13:43:38 GMT
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 3, 2017 16:17:39 GMT
A new director can't really save what TFA did...Only way I'll watch it is if someone confirms after release that they removed all the mystery box crap, and they confirm that Luke was controlling Rey's actions all along. Only way I'll give this a go in theaters vs pirate it when it's on DVD. Yeah, that would be a start in repairing some of the horrendous damage to the Saga done by the abortion known as TFA.
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Post by ryboto on Mar 4, 2017 4:58:44 GMT
A new director can't really save what TFA did...Only way I'll watch it is if someone confirms after release that they removed all the mystery box crap, and they confirm that Luke was controlling Rey's actions all along. Only way I'll give this a go in theaters vs pirate it when it's on DVD. Yeah, that would be a start in repairing some of the horrendous damage to the Saga done by the abortion known as TFA. I kind of take it back...if Luke was her puppeteer, the film is still garbage, and the direction they've gone is still idiotic. My 7mpbs internet connection might not even give enough f***k's to pirate it.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 4, 2017 5:22:14 GMT
Yeah, that would be a start in repairing some of the horrendous damage to the Saga done by the abortion known as TFA. I kind of take it back...if Luke was her puppeteer, the film is still garbage, and the direction they've gone is still idiotic. My 7mpbs internet connection might not even give enough f***k's to pirate it. It was close enough to what I would've done that I gave it a pass. Let me run this by you, although it's about as far from perfect as -- well, The Force Awakens. But I submit that you could keep every insipid, goofball line of dialogue, every cringe scene with Rey explaining shrilly to Han Solo about the nuances of flying the Millennium freaking Falcon, every wretched cheeseball scene with Hux and Kylo running around like a couple of kids playing dress-up in their fathers' clothes, and JUST make this singular change and it redeems at least 20% of the movie: During the lightsaber duel in the snow, when the saber wavers -- it flies into the hands of Luke Skywalker, who whips Kylo's ass, saves Rey and Finn, and returns to the Rebel Alliance -- er, the New Republic -- er, the Resistance -- because he has felt a tremor in the Force and is ready to train the new Chosen One, Rey. Boom. There. The movie still sucks, but doesn't that singular change make it substantially less shitty and insulting?
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Post by shinnickneth on Mar 4, 2017 7:04:37 GMT
That leaked script was confirmed fake then? Thank R'hllor if it was. Nice avatar!
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Post by shinnickneth on Mar 4, 2017 7:29:47 GMT
It was close enough to what I would've done that I gave it a pass. Let me run this by you, although it's about as far from perfect as -- well, The Force Awakens. But I submit that you could keep every insipid, goofball line of dialogue, every cringe scene with Rey explaining shrilly to Han Solo about the nuances of flying the Millennium freaking Falcon, every wretched cheeseball scene with Hux and Kylo running around like a couple of kids playing dress-up in their fathers' clothes, and JUST make this singular change and it redeems at least 20% of the movie: During the lightsaber duel in the snow, when the saber wavers -- it flies into the hands of Luke Skywalker, who whips Kylo's ass, saves Rey and Finn, and returns to the Rebel Alliance -- er, the New Republic -- er, the Resistance -- because he has felt a tremor in the Force and is ready to train the new Chosen One, Rey. Boom. There. The movie still sucks, but doesn't that singular change make it substantially less shitty and insulting? - Corny, "goofball" dialogue is a tradition to Star Wars movies though - Someone needed to tell Han how to fix his ship. He spent 3 movies trying to get it working and never did. Failure. - The actor who plays Hux is right around the same age as the actors who played Imperial Officers in the OT. The only difference is that we're older as audience members, so it comes off differently. - Luke Skywalker showing up and saving the day would have been terrible. I know that was Mark Hamill's idea but I disagree with him on that. The film already got enough criticism for having coincidental events happen in the story. Him showing up out of nowhere, after spending an extending amount of time in isolation on a different planet, wouldn't have made sense. Furthermore, Luke went into hiding to preserve the Jedi (just like Obi-Wan/Yoda did at one time) from going extinct. Him showing up when times are getting even more desperate, wouldn't make sense then. In that case I would think, "Wow...you stayed on some other planet alone and allowed one of your best friends/brother-in-law to be killed, but you come out of hiding for some scavenger girl from a desert planet?!" Terrible.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 4, 2017 7:58:12 GMT
It was close enough to what I would've done that I gave it a pass. Let me run this by you, although it's about as far from perfect as -- well, The Force Awakens. But I submit that you could keep every insipid, goofball line of dialogue, every cringe scene with Rey explaining shrilly to Han Solo about the nuances of flying the Millennium freaking Falcon, every wretched cheeseball scene with Hux and Kylo running around like a couple of kids playing dress-up in their fathers' clothes, and JUST make this singular change and it redeems at least 20% of the movie: During the lightsaber duel in the snow, when the saber wavers -- it flies into the hands of Luke Skywalker, who whips Kylo's ass, saves Rey and Finn, and returns to the Rebel Alliance -- er, the New Republic -- er, the Resistance -- because he has felt a tremor in the Force and is ready to train the new Chosen One, Rey. Boom. There. The movie still sucks, but doesn't that singular change make it substantially less shitty and insulting? Corny, "goofball" dialogue is a tradition to Star Wars movies though Not of the fast-talking, Whedon-esque variety; that's super-dated and will not age as well as any of the Lucas films. There's really no mention of mechanical issues with Falcon in any of the originals except Empire, where it's obviously a running plot point/gag. And Han seems perfectly capable of fixing the ship, even going so far as to boast about its "special modifications" in IV; he's just under attack by TIEs and asteroids and clearly lacks time and resources to get it repaired. Dude, no he isn't. Gleeson is 33 and would've been 30 or 31 when TFA was filmed. I would argue that the "main" Imperial officers depicted by name in the original tril are Ozzel, Piett, and Tarkin. They were played by actors Michael Sheard, Kenneth Colley, and Peter Cushing, aged respectively 42, 43, and 64 in their first (and, in the case of Cushing, only) appearances. The former two dudes are obviously three years older in Jedi, so we'll say they're an average of about thirteen years older than Gleeson. I think there's a world of difference between a guy in his early-30s and somewhere ranging from mid-40s to mid-60s, in terms of being cast believably as a military officer. And, honestly, most of those dudes sitting around the Death Star looked 40-60, as well. Was it? I've never heard that; it was just my personal opinion as to what would've made more sense based on the previous films. Most respectfully, sir: how could this NOT make sense to you? Luke does this exact thing in Empire, some thirty-five years earlier, to save Han and Leia with only a rudimentary grasp of the Force. How is it "nonsensical" for him to have some preternatural sense of immediacy and rush to Starkiller Base with the Force as his ally and his guide? The proper counter-argument, I think, is that it just undercuts Rey's "triumphant moment" and is sort of a waste of a Luke Skywalker reveal. (Clearly, they didn't need to do what I'm suggesting since -- well, they didn't, and seeing Luke again seems to be a huge selling point for lots of fans psyched about TLJ, so that's something.) But I certainly don't think it would've been LUDICROUS for the most powerful (and only) Jedi in the galaxy to basically swoop in and save the day, and it's maybe a little less ludicrous than Rey picking up a lightsaber for the second time in her life, as far as we know, and doing the same thing. So. Well, right. It doesn't really work cohesively with the "exile" storyline and, as you pointed out, in some ways directly undercuts it. I never claimed it would fix everything, and I think TFA is a really weak and depressing premise that (in a perfect world) would basically be scrapped entirely in lieu of something better and less recursive than what we got; but it would still make that specific moment feel less hollow, and I probably wouldn't have decided I hated the movie until I got home rather than the moment that saber flew into Rey's hands and she went full Neo; that was the moment I knew I truly, deeply hated TFA. Hey, thanks for your interesting counterpoints.
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Post by jsnification on Mar 4, 2017 13:42:56 GMT
STAR WARS The Last Jedi SPOILER Pics! Part 47 youtu.be/z3yvynCe8FwSPOILERS! Two new bonus TFA bts pics of Luke Skywalker! New TLJ pics of director Rian Johnson and Mark Hamill in the studio! Also more on location pics from Ireland! Be sure to check my playlists for tons of stuff! More vids soon!
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 4, 2017 17:17:45 GMT
STAR WARS The Last Jedi SPOILER Pics! Part 47 youtu.be/z3yvynCe8FwSPOILERS! Two new bonus TFA bts pics of Luke Skywalker! New TLJ pics of director Rian Johnson and Mark Hamill in the studio! Also more on location pics from Ireland! Be sure to check my playlists for tons of stuff! More vids soon! HOW DARE YOU SPOIL THIS ONCE-IN-A-GENERATION EXPERIENCE OF AN EMPIRE STRIKES BACK REMAKE FOR US ALL!!!11
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Post by shinnickneth on Mar 4, 2017 17:31:37 GMT
What's interesting about that is George Lucas originally envisioned C3PO to be a "fast talking, car salesman" type of personality. Can you imagine? I think it's the one thing that could have made C3PO more annoying. Han does a lot of boasting in the OT about his ship, but he never really does much to show it. In Episode 4, he's desperate to get his debt to Jabba paid back. He makes a lot of big claims to get Obi-Wan/Luke to pay for his services. However, it doesn't keep them from getting caught by the Empire. To fair though: I will say it was smart of Han to alter the flooring so he can smuggle things/people below. Hux is a smug, full of piss type of character in Episode 7. He talks back to a Force user, flaunts his power/authority, and has contempt for anyone above him. Sound familiar? It should because Richard LeParmentier plays a similar character (Admiral Motti) in Episode 4. Admiral Motti is young, talks back to Vader in Episode 4, and gets choked until Tarkin commands him to stop. Richard LeParmentier was born in 1946. That would make him 30 years old in 1976 when they filmed Episode 4. So Gleeson isn't out of range to play a military type character in Star Wars. He's definitely on the younger end though. You're right about that. For instance, Julian Glover (who played General Veers) was around 44 years old when they filmed Episode 5, and Barrie Holland (who played Lt. Renz and famously says, "You Rebel Scum!") was 41 when they filmed Episode 6. Jeremy Bulloch (who played Boba Fett) got to play the Imperial officer who pulls Leia away as she screams, "It's a trap!" to Luke in Episode 5. He was around 34 years old at the time. Yeah. Here's the clip of Mark talking about it. By the way, he's so obviously drunk in this clip: Luke is in a different stage in his life in Episode 5 vs. Episode 7. In 5, he's young, naive, too quick to act on emotion, and he hasn't gotten the wisdom that comes with experience. He goes against the guidance of both Yoda and Obi-Wan who stress that Luke is not ready to face Vader and that his friends will suffer for any interfering he does. Luke disobeys because, once again, he's young and impulsive. He doesn't know any different. Also, Luke isn't The Last Jedi in Episode 5. The stakes are not nearly as high as they will be for Luke come Episode 7. In Episode 7, if Luke puts his life in jeopardy and goes to some other planet to maybe save some scavenger from a desert planet, he's putting the entire existence of the Jedi on the chopping block. Can he risk that? I don't think so. Not in his advanced years when he's a Jedi Master and has seen/experienced as much as he has. He can't be impulsive like he was in his youth. It wouldn't make sense. If he did, I would say he learned very little in all his years alone. Luke has to be smart. He has to take a page from the playbook of Yoda/Obi-Wan and disappear until the time is right to bring the Jedi Order back. Everything is much bigger than saving Rey/Finn. I will agree with you on his senses. I was a bit hasty to disregard the idea, but I do think Luke would be aware/sense Rey's danger on another planet. He could have gone and tried to save Rey. When Han/Leia/Chewbacca/etc risk everything to try to keep him safe, I would consider it a very shitty thing for Luke to do (especially all by himself). I'm just glad he didn't and risk everything. Ditto. It's been a good conversation so far.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 4, 2017 23:16:42 GMT
What's interesting about that is George Lucas originally envisioned C3PO to be a "fast talking, car salesman" type of personality. Can you imagine? I think it's the one thing that could have made C3PO more annoying. As cheesy as it sounds I can't imagine anyone but Daniels voicing Threepio as... well, Threepio. Seriously?! I thought he was, like, 52. He's always struck me as being much older than that. How can that be? ... Oh. Right. Thanks for that; it was a fun watch. I had the same exact reaction as Mark when I saw it in the theater: "REY catches it?!" In view of this argument this point... is largely conceded. It still doesn't solve the Problem of Rey, which is another discussion altogether, but you've managed to convince me that within the (in my personal view, flawed) context of the story they chose to tell Luke's arrival would have been cooler than anything we got in TFA but made even less sense. And detracted from the "mystique" of this version of the Luke character. You're right that it's more important we see him adhering only to priorities of the utmost importance. Agreed. Cheers!
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Post by ryboto on Mar 5, 2017 1:42:13 GMT
I kind of take it back...if Luke was her puppeteer, the film is still garbage, and the direction they've gone is still idiotic. My 7mpbs internet connection might not even give enough f***k's to pirate it. It was close enough to what I would've done that I gave it a pass. Let me run this by you, although it's about as far from perfect as -- well, The Force Awakens. But I submit that you could keep every insipid, goofball line of dialogue, every cringe scene with Rey explaining shrilly to Han Solo about the nuances of flying the Millennium freaking Falcon, every wretched cheeseball scene with Hux and Kylo running around like a couple of kids playing dress-up in their fathers' clothes, and JUST make this singular change and it redeems at least 20% of the movie: During the lightsaber duel in the snow, when the saber wavers -- it flies into the hands of Luke Skywalker, who whips Kylo's ass, saves Rey and Finn, and returns to the Rebel Alliance -- er, the New Republic -- er, the Resistance -- because he has felt a tremor in the Force and is ready to train the new Chosen One, Rey. Boom. There. The movie still sucks, but doesn't that singular change make it substantially less shitty and insulting? Still sucks, but yes, less shit. Maybe also remove the mind trick crap too..She needs to actually require training or Luke is unnecessary. Meh, it's like Star Trek Nemesis all over again...I was hoping they'd make another TNG film where the intro is one of the cast(Data!?) waking up from a dream...The dream being Nemesis.. I'm enjoying the EU again via audiobooks...I will survive I think...
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 5, 2017 2:53:51 GMT
It was close enough to what I would've done that I gave it a pass. Let me run this by you, although it's about as far from perfect as -- well, The Force Awakens. But I submit that you could keep every insipid, goofball line of dialogue, every cringe scene with Rey explaining shrilly to Han Solo about the nuances of flying the Millennium freaking Falcon, every wretched cheeseball scene with Hux and Kylo running around like a couple of kids playing dress-up in their fathers' clothes, and JUST make this singular change and it redeems at least 20% of the movie: During the lightsaber duel in the snow, when the saber wavers -- it flies into the hands of Luke Skywalker, who whips Kylo's ass, saves Rey and Finn, and returns to the Rebel Alliance -- er, the New Republic -- er, the Resistance -- because he has felt a tremor in the Force and is ready to train the new Chosen One, Rey. Boom. There. The movie still sucks, but doesn't that singular change make it substantially less shitty and insulting? Still sucks, but yes, less shit. Maybe also remove the mind trick crap too.. She needs to actually require training or Luke is unnecessary. Meh, it's like Star Trek Nemesis all over again...I was hoping they'd make another TNG film where the intro is one of the cast(Data!?) waking up from a dream...The dream being Nemesis.. I'm enjoying the EU again via audiobooks...I will survive I think... Yeah, the writing of Rey (and, frankly, her fucking abysmal, Razzie-worthy portrayal by Daisey Ridley) really undercuts so much of TFA and the subsequent sequels. I don't know to undo the damage they did by writing her as such a churlish, one-dimensional little chud. I have also begun rereading the EU as a means of preserving my sanity in these Dark Times, but it never occurred to me to buy them on audiobook. Brilliant! Are they widely available? Relatively cheap? Man, that could be a game changer, if I could listen to Truce at Bakura on the way to work...
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Mar 5, 2017 3:19:40 GMT
Another Josh and Daisy Vid! Daisy Ridley gets pumped even more by Josh Gad and friends!
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Post by shinnickneth on Mar 5, 2017 8:46:19 GMT
Agreed. He really is the perfect C3PO...a little too much in real life, but I suppose art imitates life... I do like that while George Lucas intended to replace Anthony Daniels' voice with someone else's in postproduction (like he did with Boba Fett & Darth Vader), he decided against it after being on set with Daniels during filming. I guess he was impressed too! hmmmmm maybe it has to do with the actor's receding hairline? I don't say the above about his hair to make fun of Richard LeParmentier, by the way. I had the pleasure of meeting him while he was alive. He was a funny, entertaining, and sweet guy. I would never make him the butt of a joke. Thank you for your honesty and maturity. It's very refreshing - especially on the Internet!
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