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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2017 19:03:16 GMT
You can't talk about film grosses without discussing the factors that went into them. Wonder Woman didn't have any BvS's baggage. Justice League will. I bring this up because there is a chance JL might not make enough bank. I'm not seeing a lot of real excitement for this film. I'm really not. Justice League might benefit off of Wonder Woman's success. It might offset some of the ill will people had with Batman vs Superman. I'm not seeing as much hype for Justice League either especially when compared to Batman vs Superman but it'll still make a lot of money. It can make a lot of money and still come up short because of how big the budget is, though. |
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Post by politicidal on Nov 12, 2017 20:24:16 GMT
WB is having a hell of a year thanks to Wonder Woman, Dunkirk, even IT. Should Justice League not be an enormous hit (say $875M to a billion) it's gonna be embarrassing but not the end of the world. Besides didn't you want that, OP?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2017 21:09:40 GMT
WB is having a hell of a year thanks to Wonder Woman, Dunkirk, even IT. Should Justice League not be an enormous hit (say $875M to a billion) it's gonna be embarrassing but not the end of the world. Besides didn't you want that, OP? I've got nothing against DC, I just want Hack Snyder gone. Hopefully, a mediocre critical reception and BO will seal the deal.  |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 13, 2017 2:04:24 GMT
It's about $50 million more than The Avengers, there's a bit of inflation involved as well. Though at least there the first movie was a huge success. This is a follow up to Batman vs Superman which was actually profitable but not hugely so. That's the thing tho, it should have been a huge profit because it had three the of most popular superheroes ever for the first time on the big screen. Now we're bringing in the Flash and Aquaman, who by any margin, (especially regardless how previous Aquaman interpretations have been silly) are still more known in pop culture more than any of the Avengers. It has to break a billion in order to actually really be called a success. Being more well known doesn't mean anything. Everybody knows Ronald McDonald but that ain't selling movie tickets.
Everybody over estimates DC, as though they're supposed to win.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 2:11:06 GMT
That's the thing tho, it should have been a huge profit because it had three the of most popular superheroes ever for the first time on the big screen. Now we're bringing in the Flash and Aquaman, who by any margin, (especially regardless how previous Aquaman interpretations have been silly) are still more known in pop culture more than any of the Avengers. It has to break a billion in order to actually really be called a success. Being more well known doesn't mean anything. Everybody knows Ronald McDonald but that ain't selling movie tickets.
Everybody over estimates DC, as though they're supposed to win.
It's 2017. "Ronald McDonald the Movie," makes $300 million worldwide, easily.  |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 13, 2017 2:16:09 GMT
Being more well known doesn't mean anything. Everybody knows Ronald McDonald but that ain't selling movie tickets.
Everybody over estimates DC, as though they're supposed to win.
It's 2017. "Ronald McDonald the Movie," makes $300 million worldwide, easily. You get my point though. This whole "dc is and always will be more popular" concept is just crazy at this point. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 2:28:53 GMT
It's 2017. "Ronald McDonald the Movie," makes $300 million worldwide, easily. You get my point though. This whole "dc is and always will be more popular" concept is just crazy at this point. Times have definitely changed although I think if you showed a bunch of DC and Marvel pictures to a large group of general audience members over the age of 40, they'd still recognize more of the DC characters. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 13, 2017 2:42:27 GMT
You get my point though. This whole "dc is and always will be more popular" concept is just crazy at this point. Times have definitely changed although I think if you showed a bunch of DC and Marvel pictures to a large group of general audience members over the age of 40, they'd still recognize more of the DC characters. But again higher recognition isn't the same as higher popularity.
The concept that people more quickly recognize DC characters and therefore they will care about them more and buy more tickets, is patently false.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 2:53:39 GMT
Times have definitely changed although I think if you showed a bunch of DC and Marvel pictures to a large group of general audience members over the age of 40, they'd still recognize more of the DC characters. But again higher recognition isn't the same as higher popularity.
The concept that people more quickly recognize DC characters and therefore they will care about them more and buy more tickets, is patently false.
True. DC certainly isn't more popular than Marvel anymore.....moviewise anyway. Although, think about how bad BvS is. Do you think if the MCU turned out a movie of equivalent awfulness, it would gross $870 million?  |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 13, 2017 3:13:18 GMT
But again higher recognition isn't the same as higher popularity.
The concept that people more quickly recognize DC characters and therefore they will care about them more and buy more tickets, is patently false.
True. DC certainly isn't more popular than Marvel anymore.....moviewise anyway. Although, think about how bad BvS is. Do you think if the MCU turned out a movie of equivalent awfulness, it would gross $870 million? An Avengers film yes, which is equivalent to what BVS was.
I mean WW had great reviews and Thor beat her opening weekend by almost 20 million.
I would argue that the idea that DC is more popular is a myth.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 3:23:10 GMT
True. DC certainly isn't more popular than Marvel anymore.....moviewise anyway. Although, think about how bad BvS is. Do you think if the MCU turned out a movie of equivalent awfulness, it would gross $870 million? An Avengers film yes, which is equivalent to what BVS was.
I mean WW had great reviews and Thor beat her opening weekend by almost 20 million.
I would argue that the idea that DC is more popular is a myth.
BvS is more like Iron-Man v Cap with a late appearance from Captain Marvel. I honestly have no idea whether a shitty version of that would gross $870 million. Interesting question though. |
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Post by nemesis617 on Nov 13, 2017 3:26:12 GMT
A high caliber movie like this is expected to have a high budget. I hope this movie is a success. What are you all expecting it to make come opening weekend? I'm guessing around 135-143 million.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 13, 2017 3:26:17 GMT
An Avengers film yes, which is equivalent to what BVS was.
I mean WW had great reviews and Thor beat her opening weekend by almost 20 million.
I would argue that the idea that DC is more popular is a myth.
BvS is more like Iron-Man v Cap with a late appearance from Captain Marvel. I honestly have no idea whether a shitty version of that would gross $870 million. Interesting question though. Yeah, if Civil War had been stripped down and shit it would have done that. |
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Post by CowherPowerForever on Nov 13, 2017 13:13:29 GMT
Still 200 million less than Infinity War. Think about that. Both film will still make profit, and rather easily. Which is simply amazing when you think about it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 13:31:24 GMT
Still 200 million less than Infinity War. Think about that. Both film will still make profit, and rather easily. Which is simply amazing when you think about it. Has anyone actually confirmed that budget is true yet? Even if it is, Infinity War will likely outgross Avengers. Justice League has a fight on to gross $900 million. |
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Post by CowherPowerForever on Nov 13, 2017 13:38:15 GMT
Still 200 million less than Infinity War. Think about that. Both film will still make profit, and rather easily. Which is simply amazing when you think about it. Has anyone actually confirmed that budget is true yet? Even if it is, Infinity War will likely outgross Avengers. Justice League has a fight on to gross $900 million. I see no reason to distrust that number. Having all those actors together in one movie shouldn't shock anyone that it would cost that much. As long as Justice League gets a little bit better reception than BvS and SS(which the early signs point to that), then it should very well see a multiplier of about 2.5. Which means a billion is a lock. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 13, 2017 19:01:43 GMT
Who cares if it had no competition, that's completely irrelevant to the fact it was profitable and made money. They've all had big budgets, they've all been profitable, Wonder Woman likely being more profitable than even Civil War so they don't have to play anything safe. As long as they don't lose money then it's not an issue. You can't talk about film grosses without discussing the factors that went into them. Wonder Woman didn't have any BvS's baggage. Justice League will. I bring this up because there is a chance JL might not make enough bank. I'm not seeing a lot of real excitement for this film. I'm really not. Once word of the reshoots made the headlines, I just assumed Justice League was going to be treated as a loss-leader designed to re-engage with disappointed fans but, not necessarily make heaps of money. I think WB is starting to understand that the prestige of the films in the DCEU is just as important to its fans as the stories, content, and money it makes. Despite their thin protestations, hardcore DCEU fans want the masses and critics to like these films. JL seems to support this idea by delivering a Marvel movie c. 2012. At least that's what the marketing suggests. WHo knows, it could be the sleeper hit CBM of the year. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 19:18:00 GMT
You can't talk about film grosses without discussing the factors that went into them. Wonder Woman didn't have any BvS's baggage. Justice League will. I bring this up because there is a chance JL might not make enough bank. I'm not seeing a lot of real excitement for this film. I'm really not. Once word of the reshoots made the headlines, I just assumed Justice League was going to be treated as a loss-leader designed to re-engage with disappointed fans but, not necessarily make heaps of money. I think WB is starting to understand that the prestige of the films in the DCEU is just as important to its fans as the stories, content, and money it makes. Despite their thin protestations, hardcore DCEU fans want the masses and critics to like these films. JL seems to support this idea by delivering a Marvel movie c. 2012. At least that's what the marketing suggests. WHo knows, it could be the sleeper hit CBM of the year. They'd better be realizing that. And they'd not hire another director like Snyder who thinks he knows better than audiences. Unfortunately, its not 2012 anymore and the superhero team-up movie is old news. |
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