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Post by Eλευθερί on Nov 29, 2017 19:06:38 GMT
What indicators tend to predict that a given film will be a disappointment, aside from the obvious (someone you know whose taste you usually share saw it and didn't like it)?
Some really useful ones in my experience:
(1) written and directed by same person (2) first-time director (3) no theatrical release (made-for-television or released straight to DVD/VHS/streaming) (4) more than two people credited for writing (excluding credit given to an original novel or story from which film was adapted) (5) for US films, no recognizable actors other than maybe a few B-grade actors (6) extremely low budget (as in Super-8 with chewing gum and duct tape) (7) produced in a country that has had little to no internationally recognized film industry (eg Romania)
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Nov 29, 2017 19:08:43 GMT
What indicators tend to predict that a given film will be a disappointment, aside from the obvious (someone you know whose taste you usually share saw it and didn't like it)? Some really useful ones in my experience: (1) written and directed by same person (2) first-time director (3) no theatrical release (made-for-television or released straight to DVD/VHS/streaming) (4) more than two people credited for writing (excluding credit given to an original novel or story from which film was adapted) (5) for US films, no recognizable actors other than maybe a few B-grade actors (6) extremely low budget (as in Super-8 with chewing gum and duct tape) (7) produced in a country that has had little to no internationally recognized film industry (eg Romania) I don't think any of those are accurate, as I can think of exceptions to most of them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 19:10:46 GMT
Movies that were stuck in "development hell". Usually when one makes it out of that hell, you find out why it was there in the first place.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Nov 29, 2017 19:11:58 GMT
Movies that were stuck in "development hell". Usually when one makes it out of that hell, you find out why it was there in the first place. Yes! Delayed releases are another huge red flag.
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Post by Eλευθερί on Nov 29, 2017 19:18:28 GMT
I don't think any of those are accurate, as I can think of exceptions to most of them. What indicators TEND to predict that a given film will be a disappointment, aside from the obvious (someone you know whose taste you usually share saw it and didn't like it)? "Tend" means often. It does not mean always.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Nov 29, 2017 19:30:56 GMT
I don't think any of those are accurate, as I can think of exceptions to most of them. What indicators TEND to predict that a given film will be a disappointment, aside from the obvious (someone you know whose taste you usually share saw it and didn't like it)? "Tend" means often. It does not mean always. Okay, then I don't think they are "often" accurate.
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Post by mikef6 on Nov 29, 2017 20:03:39 GMT
I don’t think any of these are red flags. As a frequent watcher of non-English language movies, I TEND to enjoy films from countries you might not expect to have a thriving film industry. If, for example, a film from Romania gets picked up for international distribution, sub-titling, and a DVD in the U.S., that probably means it has some merit (at least, some commercial value to the distributing agency).
For me, certain terms in the tagline or items from the film promotion make me wary:
Faith-based Family friendly Based On A True Story Crowd Pleasing (ironically, often used to describe those foreign films that I like) Ads that show the entire cast grinning like idiots Trailers that take you through the entire plot (so I don’t have to see the movie; maybe I should thank them) Trailers for comedies that can’t show us a single decent laugh from the entire movie
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Post by politicidal on Nov 29, 2017 21:04:45 GMT
The trailer music is Kanye West.
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Post by vegalyra on Nov 29, 2017 21:33:26 GMT
As of the past 10 to 15 years, probably 75% of new films are sub-par. No indicators needed.
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Post by deembastille on Nov 29, 2017 21:40:59 GMT
Movies that en up at the El cheapo theater within weeks of it's release.
Too predictable plots.
Stupid reasons a character did something (lie).
Too many actors who look very similar so you can't tell who is whom.
Non practical/ logical wardrobe. Ever see a woman in whore shoes trying to run from an explosion?
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Post by Terrapin Station on Nov 29, 2017 21:49:06 GMT
* It's really low-budget
* The cast and crew have day jobs (basically another sign that it's really low budget)
* Worse is if the cast and crew have a lot of credits, but they're all really low budget films and they still have day jobs
* It's been distributed under ten different titles, all of which are very generic-sounding and unfamiliar to you
* It stars an actor who is at a point of their career where they'll do any project as long as you pay them their 10k (or whatever) daily fee; when you look at the IMDb page for these actors, you'll notice that they have 20 films listed as being in various stages of production at the same time, and they've probably been doing 20-30 films per year. Current examples: Michael Madsen, Tom Sizemore
* It's distributed by a company like SubRosa
* It's directed by Bill Zebub
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Post by Captain Spencer on Nov 30, 2017 1:38:19 GMT
If it was directed by Alan Smithee.
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Post by Lebowskidoo 🦞 on Nov 30, 2017 1:45:22 GMT
The movie or trailer features either "Walking On Sunshine" by Katrina & the Waves or "Semi-Charmed Life" by Third Eye Blind.
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Post by marianne48 on Nov 30, 2017 1:57:22 GMT
It has a colon and/or a number in the title (Highlander 2: The Quickening).
It was "inspired by" a true story.
Interviews with the movie's stars consist mainly of the stars giggling together, talking about how much fun they had on the set, and calling each other "amazing" (well, they had to talk about something, but the movie itself apparently wasn't worth mentioning).
It's a remake of a beloved classic.
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Post by mslo79 on Nov 30, 2017 2:21:01 GMT
for me after seeing plenty of movies you can pretty much narrow finding quality movies down with the following four categories... -Subject Matter (naturally certain kinds of movies/subjects are just not as interesting as others) -Cast (while this is not always the case usually people you know are better than no names) -Director (once someone gets a established name with me, naturally they are more likely to output a higher quality movie. only problem here is that you don't see to many name directors releasing movies too often so this tends not to be too much of a factor because of that) -Trailer (this comes in handy when the above categories are not as much of a factor) so basically stuff that does not play inline with that then chances are the movie has little chance of being of any real worth for me. also, when i go into most movies i just assume they will be either a 5/10 (Thumbs Down ; but okay enough for a viewing. most movies land here) or a 6/10 (a mild Thumbs Up). i think that covers roughly 7 out of 10 movies i see between those two scores with about 5 of the 7 being a 5/10. ---------------------------------- vegalyraHell, i would say that's [the bold text] a good ball park figure for movies as a whole in that the vast majority of movies are nothing special as even if we stick to mostly known movies, which helps raise the quality a bit, that 75% figure you mentioned is still close enough. because looking at ALL movies i have seen only around 3 out of 10 of the movies i see are worth re-watching and only around 9% of everything i have seen i would call a favorite. even counting movies a bit outside of my favorites... that's still only 11-12% of everything i have seen which is right around 1 out of every 10 movies i see in the long term i would call a favorite. but with that said... i would say 2016 and 2017 have been pretty weak overall (2016 is my worst overall year since 1998 as i would have to go back to 1998 to find a weaker overall year. 2017 is similar to 2016 but at least 2017 and 1998 have one movie i score a 7 or above unlike 2016). but i would definitely not agree with dissing the last 10-15 years thing because the vast majority of my favorite movies have been from the 1990's to date with the 2000's decade definitely being my all around favorite decade as it's got the highest volume of higher quality movies for me (basically movies i score a 8 or higher (even though i consider 7/10's and higher a favorite)). even when i looked at years i consider more of my cream-of-the-crop of movies, which i pretty much narrowed it down to six years i think(like for a Top 5-ish), the 2000's decade had all but two years (all but 1995 and 2010).
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Post by twothousandonemark on Nov 30, 2017 3:34:41 GMT
'From the makers of [insert awful film title] bring you...!'
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Nov 30, 2017 3:39:07 GMT
Plot summary is often enough. If you compare the average plot summary written in 2016 to one written in 1970 via IMDB lists the difference in description is profound.
A 1970 plot summary might go something like: "an author is stalked by a homicidal maniac."
A 2016 plot summary might be: "a widowed father and son embark upon a journey of self-discovery."
Even for genre films the modern plot summaries are often lame-o.
Compare
The Blood on Satan's Claw 1971 plot summary:
Horror thriller set in 17th century England about the children of a village slowly converting into a coven of devil worshipers.
the Witch 2015:
A family in 1630s New England is torn apart by the forces of witchcraft, black magic and possession.
Taglines for Blood on Satan's Claw:
A CHILL-FILLED Festival of HORROR! A living nightmare of black magic... and unspeakable evil!
The Witch:
A New-England Folktale. Evil Takes Many Forms.
I think the Blood on Satan's Claw sounds a lot more exciting, both in summary and ad phrasing. That doesnt mean the movie will be good (even though it is in fact, a great film) but you can already see the effort that went into the promotion of it compared with the other.
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Post by politicidal on Nov 30, 2017 3:44:09 GMT
'From the makers of [insert awful film title] bring you...!' Or more specifically, they actually identify the producers or the whole bloody studio. That's a giant red-flag.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 3:44:22 GMT
If Will Smith is in it
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Post by twothousandonemark on Nov 30, 2017 4:14:37 GMT
Mark Wahlberg for me. Cat 5 hurricane warning there.
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