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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 12:58:58 GMT
As most viewers who watched the 'Arrowverse' crossover event last week would know the Reverse Flash escaped death at the end of the crossover and sped off into the Arrowverse which means the writers are free to bring him back to the show any time they see fit and while I know some people think he should have been killed off or at least injured by Barry and Oliver I think it was a good idea to bring him back 'cause he is one of Barry's most important villains and I think they should have him go away for a while and become more powerful and then return as the main villain for the final season of 'The Flash.' I think it would be good if this version has all the memories of the other versions of the Reverse Flash 'cause that would also give him an advantage and make things more personal between him and Barry.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Dec 4, 2017 18:03:36 GMT
I can live with him showing up once in a while (though it was ridiculous that Barry just let him go). However, the last thing we need is another speedster for the main villain in any future season.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Dec 4, 2017 19:20:22 GMT
I'm not terribly excited about bringing this iteration of Thawne back; they've made his timeline far too convoluted. I mean, it just occurred to me the other day that if this is the version of Thawne from the end of season 1, then he's at the furthest point in his personal time; he's had battles that haven't happened yet, which is what made him such a tough villain to face in season 1, because he knew most of what was going to happen, yet he didn't seem to know how this was going to playout with the folks from Earth-X. It also feels incongruent with where the character was at the end of season 1, where he had developed some level of paternal feelings for the members of Team Flash; even Barry, in spite of their tumultuous history. He felt bad about killing Cisco in the undone timeline, and he not only bequeathed everything to Barry, he recorded a confession to get his dad out of jail.
On top of all that, this is the writers screwing the pooch even more after the whole thing with Flashpoint and the "Legion" of Doom last year - by all accounts, Barry pulled Thawne out of time before he could take on Wells' identity, and then when Flashpoint was undone, Thawne brings Barry back to the present and takes off, and we were given anything to bridge his departure and him being trapped in the past and becoming Wells and everything that followed through the end of season 1. Is that the iteration of Thawne who forms the "Legion"? That Eobard knew he had been erased from history - which shouldn't any version of Thawne - and yet he did, and was being chased by the Black Flash, AND got eaten or absorbed, or erased, or whatever, but then lo and behold here he is again, at the oldest known point in his life. He's footloose and fancy free, and doesn't appear as though he's being hunted by the Black Flash or time wraiths, or just generally erased as consequence of Eddy being dead. That "just because" reasoning for a character being alive puts The Flash as a series on the same level of creative dedication as Days of Our Lives. It's lazy, and isn't necessary, especially when they have the perfect excuse to bring Eobard back as a younger version of the character. It may take some conscious effort to try and keep track what point he's at in his life and what he should know, but "The Return of the Reverse Flash," set that up; and it not only introduced the concept of time remnants, it used that concept in a more logical way than they later would, by allowing speedsters to make copies of themselves, and it setup the potential for Thawne's return in future episodes. And that's what we should be seeing, because the Thawne in season 1 had a long history with the Flash, that should subsequently play out now. They've teased it, even in the cross-over with Thawne saying he's fought Superman, so stop talking about these events being in the offing and actually show them.
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Post by BexxyJ on Dec 6, 2017 13:07:14 GMT
I'm not overly thrilled about Reserve Flash coming back again but I'd rather see him for another season than the Thinker. Whoever came up that guy need to go. They shouldn't be stinking up the show was their lameass characters. Here's a thought for the Thinker. I think you stink.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2017 3:47:21 GMT
I'm not overly thrilled about Reserve Flash coming back again but I'd rather see him for another season than the Thinker. Whoever came up that guy need to go. They shouldn't be stinking up the show was their lameass characters. Here's a thought for the Thinker. I think you stink. Yeah. The Thinker/Clifford DeVoe is easily one of the worst villains I have seen on a comic book TV show and I was happy they didn't use another speedster as the main villain this season 'cause we already had three of those in the previous seasons but I think there are better choices they could have used too and I would not mind a whole season with the Trickster as the main villain and a group of other villains working for him. They completely wasted Black Flash which was a shame 'cause in the comic books I read he was meant to be very powerful and kinda like the Flash's version of Death or the Grim Reaper but if they decide to use another speedster villain in future seasons there is another one called 'Godspeed' that might be interesting to see.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Dec 9, 2017 19:52:57 GMT
It would be so simple for them to use Thawne by making it a younger version of the character; so much less convoluted than bringing back the same older version and tying their own story timeline into knots that they have no interest in untangling. They even set that all up in season 2 by bringing back a younger version of Thawne in the first place!
One thing I've wanted to see for a while is have some type of timeline event, not unlike Flashpoint and the resolution thereof, where when all is said and done, Eddie Thawne is still alive; and we learn that this "new" timeline is in fact the timeline Eobard Thawne originally came from, and the story of Barry and Eobard is just one big paradox, where each are destined to create the other. Flashpoint would have been perfect for that; and I was really hoping for Eddie to turn out to be Savitar.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 11:35:20 GMT
I'm not overly thrilled about Reserve Flash coming back again but I'd rather see him for another season than the Thinker. Whoever came up that guy need to go. They shouldn't be stinking up the show was their lameass characters. Here's a thought for the Thinker. I think you stink. Yeah. The Thinker/Clifford DeVoe is easily one of the worst villains I have seen on a comic book TV show and I was happy they didn't use another speedster as the main villain this season 'cause we already had three of those in the previous seasons but I think there are better choices they could have used too and I would not mind a whole season with the Trickster as the main villain and a group of other villains working for him. They completely wasted Black Flash which was a shame 'cause in the comic books I read he was meant to be very powerful and kinda like the Flash's version of Death or the Grim Reaper but if they decide to use another speedster villain in future seasons there is another one called 'Godspeed' that might be interesting to see.
Or we could have cobalt blue AKA malcolm thawne. He uses magic. At one point, some people thought (including me) that eddie thawne was going to be cobalt. As seen below As for seeing reverse flash again, I dont mind it at all. He's the best villain on the Flash tv show imo.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 11:12:28 GMT
Yeah. The Thinker/Clifford DeVoe is easily one of the worst villains I have seen on a comic book TV show and I was happy they didn't use another speedster as the main villain this season 'cause we already had three of those in the previous seasons but I think there are better choices they could have used too and I would not mind a whole season with the Trickster as the main villain and a group of other villains working for him. They completely wasted Black Flash which was a shame 'cause in the comic books I read he was meant to be very powerful and kinda like the Flash's version of Death or the Grim Reaper but if they decide to use another speedster villain in future seasons there is another one called 'Godspeed' that might be interesting to see.
Or we could have cobalt blue AKA malcolm thawne. He uses magic. At one point, some people thought (including me) that eddie thawne was going to be cobalt. As seen below As for seeing reverse flash again, I dont mind it at all. He's the best villain on the Flash tv show imo. Is that you Biz under another new name? You change your name a lot more than I ever did on the IMDB Boards. Yeah. That is a good pick and the character would be an improvement over DaVoe. I would like to see them bring Eddie back in some shape or form and I wish they had made him the younger version of the Reverse Flash and I thought he was going to turn out to be that back in the first season when the Reverse Flash kidnapped him. It would have also been fun if they had used the actor to play the Reverse Flash in the 'Crisis On Earth X' crossover instead of Tom Cavanagh again like they had Tommy as Prometheus. I am surprised we haven't seen a younger version of Reverse Flash yet with all the versions we have had in the show.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 13:32:14 GMT
you know it. It is I, Biz. Yeah those were the two theories with Eddie. I hope they bring him back for something too
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Post by BexxyJ on Dec 26, 2017 13:44:48 GMT
I'm not overly thrilled about Reserve Flash coming back again but I'd rather see him for another season than the Thinker. Whoever came up that guy need to go. They shouldn't be stinking up the show was their lameass characters. Here's a thought for the Thinker. I think you stink. Yeah. The Thinker/Clifford DeVoe is easily one of the worst villains I have seen on a comic book TV show and I was happy they didn't use another speedster as the main villain this season 'cause we already had three of those in the previous seasons but I think there are better choices they could have used too and I would not mind a whole season with the Trickster as the main villain and a group of other villains working for him. They completely wasted Black Flash which was a shame 'cause in the comic books I read he was meant to be very powerful and kinda like the Flash's version of Death or the Grim Reaper but if they decide to use another speedster villain in future seasons there is another one called 'Godspeed' that might be interesting to see.
Why does there always have to be a bulge in their pants? Does dressing up like that make them aroused?
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Post by stargazer1682 on Dec 26, 2017 20:44:45 GMT
Why does there always have to be a bulge in their pants? Does dressing up like that make them aroused? .....Maybe....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 12:47:35 GMT
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Post by General Kenobi on Dec 30, 2017 15:38:33 GMT
I like the Reverse Flash being back, because Barry should have an archnemesis and Reverse Flash is best situated for that purpose. Though they have to handle him better so he doesn't become a joke or Barry looks like a fool. Like he did when he let the Reverse Flash go on his merry, murderous way.
Also, I don't like the Reverse Flash looking like Wells. If the actor who has been playing Eobard Thawne is unavailable they need to either give him a new face (is the actor who played Eddie Thawne busy?) or make him keep the mask on.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 7:10:08 GMT
I like the Reverse Flash being back, because Barry should have an archnemesis and Reverse Flash is best situated for that purpose. Though they have to handle him better so he doesn't become a joke or Barry looks like a fool. Like he did when he let the Reverse Flash go on his merry, murderous way. Also, I don't like the Reverse Flash looking like Wells. If the actor who has been playing Eobard Thawne is unavailable they need to either give him a new face (is the actor who played Eddie Thawne busy?) or make him keep the mask on. Ahhh it looks like we might have the answer why he looks like Wells. If this new show takes up a lot of his time it doesn't look like we will see Matt Letscher appearing as the Reverse Flash too often. It would be great if they could bring back the actor who played Eddie to play him and found a way to change it so in the timeline Eddie went on to become the Reverse Flash. That could be an interesting twist and one a lot of fans wouldn't see coming. Narcos Season 4 Just Added An Arrow-verse Villain, But Who Is He Playing?www.cinemablend.com/television/1754710/narcos-season-4-just-added-an-arrow-verse-villain-but-who-is-he-playing
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Post by dazz on Jan 7, 2018 10:45:36 GMT
The thing with RF is they can make him anyone given his do-hicky so why not experiment with using this approach, we don't need to stick to just the 2 guys who have played him in the past he can look like anyone and as LOT showed he can do so at different degree's he can murder someone for their ID and it be permanent or it can be temporary.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 6:47:40 GMT
The thing with RF is they can make him anyone given his do-hicky so why not experiment with using this approach, we don't need to stick to just the 2 guys who have played him in the past he can look like anyone and as LOT showed he can do so at different degree's he can murder someone for their ID and it be permanent or it can be temporary. That actually sounds like a good idea. If they make him the main villain of one of the future seasons again they could have him constantly changing his identity which would make it really hard for Barry to track him down and he could even kidnap somebody like Joe and take over Joe's identity for a while and they wouldn't know for a while. I think if they make him the main villain again at some point in the future they are going to have to make him more powerful or have him form a new group of speedster villains to help him or Barry will be able to beat him easily. Whatever they decide I think they have brought him back for a reason and we haven't seen the end of him.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Jan 12, 2018 20:24:15 GMT
I think the idea of Eobard disguising himself as other people would be a good way of developing the younger version of Thawne, and his history of taking on the likes of Flash and others; making his final act of impersonating Wells just the latest in a long history. But I do think subsequent returns need to be a younger Thawne, because they've established him having a history that so far hasn't manifest outside of "Return of the Reverse Flash". Even his appearance in "Crisis on Earth X" hints at him battling Superman at one point in his personal history, that hasn't happened so far, by any account.
I do think it would be difficult to make a younger version of Thawne more powerful, however; since that accumulative development should be evident later when he's older and Team Flash is less developed. That, though, wouldn't preclude his return, or keep him from being formidable; I think RF, like other rogues, should have value for episodic conflicts, allowing the writers to better pace the season long arc, by staggering it with occasional one-offs. The "season long big bad" formula has become too concentrated, making those stories too often drawn out, and little opportunity to simply add layers through more confined storytelling.
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