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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 1:48:43 GMT
I'm not sure what you mean by this...  The qualities we dislike in Mary Sues and Gary Stus are pretty much the same qualities a lot of Superhero Leads have. Hmm. I suppose that does have some truth in it. But to me the true test of a Mary Sue/Gary Stu is whether or not the character organically succeeds in their quest or if they're just some random person that the writer bends the rules of their reality for. Example: In the Force Awakens, there is no logical reason why Rey of all people should have the ability to defeat Kylo Ren. She neither learns to do this over the course of the story nor does her background provide reason for it. I don't think this applies to very many superheroes actually. |
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 15, 2017 2:09:12 GMT
Not really, no. Most of what Wonder Woman can do makes sense given her background. Most Mary Sues are like Deus Ex Machinas: the universe allows them to do/accomplish something for no other reason than they're them. I don't see that with Diana, or at least, no worse than your average superhero. Superman however, and especially Batman, now those two are definitely Deus Ex Machina's and are some of the most blatant examples of Gary Stues. Yeah. I think I'd agree with this assessment. Given these points though I'm curious how you view Rey in Force Awakens. Not tryin to start another debate here. Just curious is all. Oh Rey is a definite deus ex machina. She knows languages despite never being away from her home town. Is an accomplished pilot, engineer and fighter despite no apparent training or experience. Is able to master force powers in a few seconds, was able to magically have skills enough to beat Kylo? Yeah, she's the most blatant Mary Sue since Bella Swan. |
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