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Post by RiP, IMDb on Dec 11, 2017 22:32:25 GMT
Now you DO.
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Post by MCDemuth on Dec 11, 2017 22:39:01 GMT
I think I heard about this on an episode of "Ancient Aliens"...
That means Humans built it before the end of the last ice age, before the lakes formed from the melting glacial ice sheets.
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Dec 11, 2017 22:47:02 GMT
I think I heard about this on an episode of "Ancient Aliens"...
That means Humans built it before the end of the last ice age, before the lakes formed from the melting glacial ice sheets. |
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Post by Nalkarj on Dec 12, 2017 21:33:12 GMT
Well, if we’re just sharing random facts that we know… How ‘bout “ America’s Stonehenge” in New Hampshire?  |
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Post by MCDemuth on Dec 13, 2017 0:04:52 GMT
I think I heard about this on an episode of "Ancient Aliens"...
That means Humans built it before the end of the last ice age, before the lakes formed from the melting glacial ice sheets. It was discussed on the episode called: "Aliens B.C." It was Broadcast in "Season 10", but it was released on the DVD for "Season 8"... ( For some reason there is a two year, discrepancy, between what the season is called for when it is broadcast, and what the season is called for when it is released on DVD.) Unless... someone recently "dropped" the stones down there... Either, as a hoax, ( Which I find highly unlikely, since it would be unlikely that anyone would randomly come along and find them...) or... the discoverers, are lying about the fact that they just happened to "find" them, and put them there, themselves, to get some fame... The stones would have had to have been there for about 14,000 years... If true, then it is an incredible find. This implies HUMANS were doing incredible things further back in history than we once thought we were capable of doing them... We seem to be finding more and more archaeological sites around the world, proving this to be the case. Decades old Carbon Dating Tests, are proving not to be so accurate... and that our History Books, that were written base on the results of those tests, need to be re-written from scratch. |
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Post by Father Jack on Dec 13, 2017 5:43:55 GMT
I first heard of it on some show, but I don't think it was that one... It was discussed on the episode called: "Aliens B.C." It was Broadcast in "Season 10", but it was released on the DVD for "Season 8"... ( For some reason there is a two year, discrepancy, between what the season is called for when it is broadcast, and what the season is called for when it is released on DVD.) Unless... someone recently "dropped" the stones down there... Either, as a hoax, ( Which I find highly unlikely, since it would be unlikely that anyone would randomly come along and find them...) or... the discoverers, are lying about the fact that they just happened to "find" them, and put them there, themselves, to get some fame... The stones would have had to have been there for about 14,000 years... If true, then it is an incredible find. This implies HUMANS were doing incredible things further back in history than we once thought we were capable of doing them... We seem to be finding more and more archaeological sites around the world, proving this to be the case. Decades old Carbon Dating Tests, are proving not to be so accurate... and that our History Books, that were written base on the results of those tests, need to be re-written from scratch. That last paragraph is total rubbish. Radiocarbon dating is incredibly accurate up to about 50k years BP. This has been proven and crossed referenced with dendrochronology... Older isotope dating using science tools such as uranium series dating also provides useful dating techniques. Oh, and the whole Lake Michigan 'Stonehenge' story is complete nonsense. |
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Post by MCDemuth on Dec 13, 2017 19:21:00 GMT
Oh, and the whole Lake Michigan 'Stonehenge' story is complete nonsense. So what you are saying is, that there are no stones at the bottom of the lake with carvings of Mastodons (Mammoths) on them? |
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Post by Father Jack on Dec 13, 2017 19:49:51 GMT
Oh, and the whole Lake Michigan 'Stonehenge' story is complete nonsense. So what you are saying is, that there are no stones at the bottom of the lake with carvings of Mastodons (Mammoths) on them? I've got a degree in archaeology, first class for the maritime archaeology components. I can confirm that these stones at the bottom of Lake Michigan are not in any way monumental architecture. They are just stones  . |
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Post by MCDemuth on Dec 14, 2017 2:16:41 GMT
It was discussed on the episode called: "Aliens B.C." Decades old Carbon Dating Tests, are proving not to be so accurate... and that our History Books, that were written base on the results of those tests, need to be re-written from scratch. That last paragraph is total rubbish. Radiocarbon dating is incredibly accurate up to about 50k years BP. This has been proven and crossed referenced with dendrochronology... Older isotope dating using science tools such as uranium series dating also provides useful dating techniques. Stone can NOT be "carbon dated"... This causes problems with trying to date ancient artifacts, and ancient megalithic structures... Like the Pyramids at Giza... Even with trying to date organic objects, to help determine the age of Stone Structures, Carbon Dating is not 100% reliable... Radiation (Including Nuclear Radiation) can affect results dramatically... Such as shortening the age, and even producing dates indicating something is from the future. Volcanic Eruptions have also been known to affect objects... Some have argued that a fire can also alter the date of an object, like the fire that damaged the "Shroud of Turin" "Total Rubbish" Huh? |
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Post by MCDemuth on Dec 14, 2017 2:57:53 GMT
So what you are saying is, that there are no stones at the bottom of the lake with carvings of Mastodons (Mammoths) on them? I've got a degree in archaeology, first class for the maritime archaeology components. I can confirm that these stones at the bottom of Lake Michigan are not in any way monumental architecture. They are just stones . Interesting deflection with that crappy photo you provided, that has nothing to do with the actual "Stonehenge"... Typical skeptic... First off all... I see that you assumed the word "Stonehenge" that was used, was meant to mean, that it looks exactly like the famous Stonehenge. It was never implied, that what they found, did... Infact, it was a half-assed joke, just meant to imply an intentional placement of stones. When I learned about the Lake Michigan "Stonehenge", it was applied to six particular stones arranged in a "Circle" and it was noted the stones were approximately the same distance apart from each other. Here is a sonar image of those six stones (which are at the bottom of the photo.) Second... I see that you didn't even attempt to discuss anything about the Mastodon (Mammoth) carving that was found on one of those stones... OK, Mr. Professor... Are you going to still tell me it's all "complete nonsense"... or Do you have something useful that you can actually discuss about THESE stones! |
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Post by Father Jack on Dec 14, 2017 4:27:01 GMT
Picking out a perceived pattern in a random scattering of stones on a lake bed from a sonar scan.
That photo of the alleged mastodon is highly doctored from the original, which just shows a natural stone which somebody again saw a pattern in.
But, I am an archaeologist, so maybe I'm part of a conspiracy to hide the truth about ancient civilisations and aliens.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Dec 14, 2017 4:35:05 GMT
That photo of the alleged mastodon is highly doctored from the original, which just shows a natural stone which somebody again saw a pattern in.  |
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Post by Father Jack on Dec 14, 2017 4:37:32 GMT
Here's your actual 'carving' of a 'mastodon'  You see, it's just seeing patterns in things, and seeing something that isn't there. |
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Post by Father Jack on Dec 14, 2017 5:01:39 GMT
Think about it.
Those are six relatively small stones in your anthropogenic 'stone circle' that you claim were placed there by humans before the retreat of the last glacial period.
That would make them circa 20,000+ years BP. Back then, the local geography was much different. The great lakes basins themselves were gouged out of bedrock by the massive force of the retreating ice and debris it carried.
What you are proposing is that a pre-glacial retreat population placed 6 small stones in a landscape. The ice then carved out these huge deep basins that filled with water, sweeping away and destroying everything in their path; and then these six stones not only magically stayed together in their formation, but settled back down on top of the the newly formed floor of the new lake bed, on top of all the sediment and debris it deposited.
Do you not think that is incredibly far fetched, impossible even?
Or maybe you figure an aquatic civilisation placed them there post-formation of the lake?
It's made up pseudo-archaeological nonsense.
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