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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 16, 2017 10:34:16 GMT
Snoke? Seriously! I was hoping for a decent payoff, hell I wouldn't have minded him being Darth Plagueis even if it would have been predictable.
I mean if the goal was to make kylo the one to lead the first order, why even bother making snoke a mystery in episode 7?
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Post by audiosane on Dec 16, 2017 10:39:38 GMT
Snoke? Seriously! I was hoping for a decent payoff, hell I wouldn't have minded him being Darth Plagueis even if it would have been predictable. I mean if the goal was to make kylo the one to lead the first order, why even bother making snoke a mystery in episode 7? Was Snoke a Sith, something else or just a generic darkside user? Where did he come from? Did he have a master? |
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Post by simplemoviecommenter on Dec 16, 2017 10:40:57 GMT
Because JJ Abrams likes mysteries but not answers because answers apparently always ruin mysteries. And he's creatively lazy.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 16, 2017 10:50:24 GMT
Snoke? Seriously! I was hoping for a decent payoff, hell I wouldn't have minded him being Darth Plagueis even if it would have been predictable. I mean if the goal was to make kylo the one to lead the first order, why even bother making snoke a mystery in episode 7? Was Snoke a Sith, something else or just a generic darkside user? Where did he come from? Did he have a master? Unless they bring him back for 9, we'll probably won't ever find out. At least not in the movies. |
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Post by audiosane on Dec 16, 2017 10:51:00 GMT
Because JJ Abrams likes mysteries but not answers because answers ruin mysteries. And he's creatively lazy. Rian certainly proved that point... at least with his answers. |
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Post by audiosane on Dec 16, 2017 10:53:52 GMT
Was Snoke a Sith, something else or just a generic darkside user? Where did he come from? Did he have a master? Unless they bring him back for 9, we'll probably won't ever find out. At least not in the movies. Okay. What about Kylo Ren? I have no idea what the hell he is. Is he a Sith? Are the Knights of Ren Sith? Are they even around? Abrams and Rian took no time to show or explain the lore behind what these guys do. |
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Post by kevin on Dec 16, 2017 11:00:52 GMT
Isn't it a bit the same as in the original trilogy? There people are hinting at the emperor in Empire Strikes Back and we even get a brief scene with the emperor, setting him up as someone who has full control over Vader, who we thought was the ulimate evil guy. And then in episode 6 the emperor dies without us, the audience, ever knowing who he was or where he came from. I'd like to find out about Snoke one day, but I really liked the decision they made with Snoke's storyline.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 16, 2017 11:02:10 GMT
Unless they bring him back for 9, we'll probably won't ever find out. At least not in the movies. Okay. What about Kylo Ren? I have no idea what the hell he is. Is he a Sith? Are the Knights of Ren Sith? Are they even around? Abrams and Rian took no time to show or explain the lore behind what these guys do. Apparently he's just a Dark Side user or whatever. There's no mention of him being a sith that I could remember. I feel like Disney will do away with Jedi as well and just create a new faction. |
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Dec 16, 2017 11:21:19 GMT
Snoke? Seriously! I was hoping for a decent payoff, hell I wouldn't have minded him being Darth Plagueis even if it would have been predictable. I mean if the goal was to make kylo the one to lead the first order, why even bother making snoke a mystery in episode 7? Was Snoke a Sith, something else or just a generic darkside user? Where did he come from? Did he have a master? Snoke came from where we've all known but buried deep down all along - off the pages of the OT scripts! All they ever did was take the original idea of the separated (destined to be force yin yang) Solo kids and try to stuff them back into the ANH storyline. Any further brain power spent on how that could then tie up and make any sense following on from the OT was only spent by the fans and certainly not JJ, Kennedy and now Johnson... |
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Post by sdrew13163 on Dec 16, 2017 16:39:24 GMT
I'm really hoping his character isn't forgotten. He can stay dead, but I hope we figure out who he is and it actually impacts the story.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 19:52:05 GMT
It was the worst part of this really awful movie.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Dec 16, 2017 20:41:30 GMT
I'm really hoping his character isn't forgotten. He can stay dead, but I hope we figure out who he is and it actually impacts the story. We most likely will, its Star Wars so expect plenty of tie-in material down the road that expands the character. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 20, 2017 11:54:10 GMT
We didn't even get a name for the Emperor in the Original Trilogy, or any kind of backstory...no one complained then.
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Post by mcufan on Dec 20, 2017 11:58:21 GMT
Was Snoke a Sith, something else or just a generic darkside user? Where did he come from? Did he have a master? Unless they bring him back for 9, we'll probably won't ever find out. At least not in the movies. Maybe in 20 years time SNOKE: a star wars story Os the prequels to the sequels set in the 30 years between 6 and 7 |
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Post by mcufan on Dec 20, 2017 11:59:47 GMT
Okay. What about Kylo Ren? I have no idea what the hell he is. Is he a Sith? Are the Knights of Ren Sith? Are they even around? Abrams and Rian took no time to show or explain the lore behind what these guys do. Apparently he's just a Dark Side user or whatever. There's no mention of him being a sith that I could remember. I feel like Disney will do away with Jedi as well and just create a new faction. To be honest by the end of the OT no one knew what a sith was either |
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Post by Jedan Archer on Dec 20, 2017 12:33:06 GMT
Seems he was literally a generic placeholder, a CGI-carbon copy of the original Emperor performance in TESB and they decided to do away with him early as a twist. I'm fine with this, as Snoke, including the awkward name, was an empty object for projections and fan theories.
Darth Plagueis would of course be great connective tissue, but only if they have ideas and use him right (or it would ruin one of the best SciFi narrations ever, ie the Opera scene). They seemingly do not.
But who is to say that they can't still retcon Snoke into Darth Plagueis? After all this is the Sith who - after being murdered - unnaturally came back to life. Why not now again, with a Spider torso and an appetite for vengeance a la Maul? This would probably be right way to reveal his identity. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 20, 2017 12:59:33 GMT
Seems he was literally a generic placeholder, a CGI-carbon copy of the original Emperor performance in TESB and they decided to do away with him early as a twist. Did we know anything about the Emperor in the OT? Was he even given a name? No, he was just this random guy with Force Powers who helped corrupt Anakin into Vader. |
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Post by gungfugilman on Dec 20, 2017 14:23:35 GMT
I think Star Wars writers as far back as the first movies have a habit of making things up as they go along, leading to unanswered questions and plot holes.
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Post by kuatorises on Dec 20, 2017 14:30:15 GMT
Snoke? Seriously! I was hoping for a decent payoff, hell I wouldn't have minded him being Darth Plagueis even if it would have been predictable. I mean if the goal was to make kylo the one to lead the first order, why even bother making snoke a mystery in episode 7? Character. Development. Come on man, it's pretty obvious. You might not have liked the character, but his purpose was very clear. He even openly mocked Kylo wearing the helmet in trying to imitate Vader. Darth Plagueis would have been a terrible choice. Completely illogical for a character who was never on screen – and supposedly dead – to just randomly show up after six movies. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 20, 2017 14:31:12 GMT
Seems he was literally a generic placeholder, a CGI-carbon copy of the original Emperor performance in TESB and they decided to do away with him early as a twist. Did we know anything about the Emperor in the OT? Was he even given a name? No, he was just this random guy with Force Powers who helped corrupt Anakin into Vader. Okay that was the OT. Some of us were hoping Snoke was going to be more than a Discount Emperor. |
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