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Post by shinnickneth on Dec 27, 2017 23:07:43 GMT
Is that literally all he said in the entire interview? Just this paragraph? You aren't leaving anything out, you aren't cherry picking anything? You aren't ignoring the rest of the interview or pretending interviews where he praised the film and Johnson's direction don't exist? I'm not the one you were originally talking to but I thought I would respond anyway. Mark Hamill is a very nice, generous guy. I think he's in murky water due to wanting to express his disappointment with his personal role in Episode 8, but not wanting to hurt people personally involved in the movie (like the director/cast). He just doesn't have a mean bone in his body. I can understand him having his own ideas/wishes about what happened to his character following Episode 6. Being personally involved with Star Wars for most of his adult life, and having interacted with the fan base for 40 years, it would have been nice if he had input into the script. What's interesting is that Rian Johnson has talked about how he would sit down and work on the script with Carrie Fisher. However, I haven't read any accounts or watched any interviews where he talks about doing that with Mark Hamill. Have you? Personally, I am very disappointed with the movie. I wouldn't want to seek to diminish your enjoyment of it though. Nor do I want to cyberbully Rian Johnson or anyone else involved with the production. Me not liking the movie doesn't mean it's a terrible movie, that Rian is a hack, or anything like that. It simply means I didn't like it. While Mark has a right to his opinion too, his doesn't mean the movie is horrible either.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Dec 28, 2017 4:02:22 GMT
I listened to Now Playing's 2hr+ podcast of it. Some solid points, one of them barely a casual SW fan which helps. Probably the best marinating of ideas since I watched it myself.
- Leia Poppins... might've actually been a Leia death or near death with a future twist, only after Carrie's passing in real life, Rian wiped away all ideas of cutting her scene with Mark Hamill let alone cast her off midway without more screen time. So yeah, they gave her a Force powers moment & kept her screen time. The podcast discussed likely cut shots with Carrie perhaps being used for IX as a quick nod/finale for Leia who we didn't really see closure like we saw Han & Luke. Perhaps framed with flashback to make it less jarring for 2019... who knows. - The comedy stuff... well, there's been slapstick in the previous 8 SW films, why stop now. Yes the phone stuff was stupid except I realize it contextually bothered me more within the film's opening moments... not that it was there at all. Poe was supposed to be killed by JJ & was saved by the actor's persuasion. That he was carrying the humour angle shouldn't be too surprising as none of the other leads would be suited for it. - Laura Dern basically Kathleen Kennedy on parade. They wondered a valid point - if saga SW is becoming leading women empowerment, than what the fcuk do we have in store for the Han Solo film? Neutered Han?? That'll be an interesting angle to wonder & discover for Solo... I mean, if they can't even make a good Han Solo movie, they've got a very bumpy future.
Most interestingly I found was their takes on the JJ magic boxes - Snoke? Rey's background?? Phasma, Finn, etc? Well... it appears that JJ didn't even have answers & it's implied that he basically told Rian to take those magic boxes he set up & use his own imagination for what they entail. Evidently, chatter has it that Rian nixed most of those JJ magic boxes by suggesting that we really wouldn't want to know what they really were... i.e. that finding out about Snoke, Rey's parents, etc would've been even more backlash than abandoning them as he did. Lesser of two evils. I can buy that. Rian basically said okay JJ, thanks for the soft reboot... now I'm going to literally smash it all away for real this time & really deliver the new. So now we've JJ's SW, Rian's response to JJ's SW tacked on with Rian setting up loose ends for IX & beyond.
As for the Rebellion being so small in TLJ, it was the planets that the StarKiller Base destroyed which we were supposed to know were the other Rebel homes/bases. The small Rebel armada being chased in TLJ was the last alive. The 'hope' they're chasing is newer outer systems & bands of ppl looking to play good cop.
To the hyperspace kamikaze maneuver, which I don't think the podcast touched too much on, I think it's okay because it sacrificed a primary Rebel ship. The Ringer site asked if it retcon'd away previous strategies - why didn't anyone think of it before to defeat the Empire in battle? Well, TLJ does put the Rebels on the ropes, their 9th life... so abandoning their halo ship only to turn it into a hyperspace suicide projectile really ought not to feel normalized. Unless everyone began constructing A.I. ships for such purpose, which would in turn moot the idea of SW in the first place yes? Star Wars Attack of the Drones? lols
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Post by shinnickneth on Dec 28, 2017 4:21:08 GMT
- The comedy stuff... well, there's been slapstick in the previous 8 SW films, why stop now. Yes the phone stuff was stupid except I realize it contextually bothered me more within the film's opening moments... not that it was there at all. Poe was supposed to be killed by JJ & was saved by the actor's persuasion. That he was carrying the humour angle shouldn't be too surprising as none of the other leads would be suited for it. The OT was more sarcastic, dry sense of humor than slapstick. Most of the slapstick was added during the "Special Edition" release and on.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Dec 28, 2017 4:31:30 GMT
- The comedy stuff... well, there's been slapstick in the previous 8 SW films, why stop now. Yes the phone stuff was stupid except I realize it contextually bothered me more within the film's opening moments... not that it was there at all. Poe was supposed to be killed by JJ & was saved by the actor's persuasion. That he was carrying the humour angle shouldn't be too surprising as none of the other leads would be suited for it. The OT was more sarcastic, dry sense of humor than slapstick. Most of the slapstick was added during the "Special Edition" release and on. The 3 on the podcast weren't afraid either of pointing out after 2 movies, Kylo Ren might be the only character we care anything about. Rey? Not as special as we were led to believe. Finn? Just another guy. Same for Poe. The rest of the villains have all been write offs. Without Han, Luke, & Leia... this trilogy is just live sets & Disney writing.
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Post by audiosane on Dec 28, 2017 7:53:20 GMT
Wait, Curb isn't funny anymore? I didn't like the latest season. Did you? I thought the actors tried too hard to be funny (particularly the Leon actor), the show has become too referential, and I didn't care for the main story arch for the season. I think some of the best episodes from the past were when each episode was it's own thing and didn't rely on a continuous story. I don't know though, maybe I'm being grumpy. Hmm, maybe. I haven't seen it in several years. Only recently got HBO back. Gotta catch up sometime next year.
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Post by Oh My Aching Ackbar-Raddus! on Dec 28, 2017 11:03:03 GMT
Please tell me which parts of this quote needed to be "left out" to make it not negative? Is that literally all he said in the entire interview? Just this paragraph? You aren't leaving anything out, you aren't cherry picking anything? You aren't ignoring the rest of the interview or pretending interviews where he praised the film and Johnson's direction don't exist? Whether taken out of context or not, what is said is substantial. What Hamill said in no uncertain terms is that he (as an actor) had to channel another character to play the role of Luke Skywalker, TLJ version. Hamill also said in comments elsewhere that Colin Trevorrow's version of Luke Skywalker was much more in harmony with his perception of the character. But Kennedy and Abrams let him go. It makes you wonder if the creative differences leading to Trevorrow being fired didn't center around Luke being written as too much of a hero that might steal limelight away from Rey. Rey, and maybe even Kylo being the center of attention. I'm sure that they paid Trevorrow for a gag order along with his severance pay.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 14:43:30 GMT
Is that literally all he said in the entire interview? Just this paragraph? You aren't leaving anything out, you aren't cherry picking anything? You aren't ignoring the rest of the interview or pretending interviews where he praised the film and Johnson's direction don't exist? Whether taken out of context or not, what is said is substantial. What Hamill said in no uncertain terms is that he (as an actor) had to channel another character to play the role of Luke Skywalker, TLJ version. Hamill also said in comments elsewhere that Colin Trevorrow's version of Luke Skywalker was much more in harmony with his perception of the character. But Kennedy and Abrams let him go. It makes you wonder if the creative differences leading to Trevorrow being fired didn't center around Luke being written as too much of a hero that might steal limelight away from Rey. Rey, and maybe even Kylo being the center of attention. I'm sure that they paid Trevorrow for a gag order along with his severance pay. So it sounds like we're getting a Force Ghost Luke then?
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Post by Oh My Aching Ackbar-Raddus! on Dec 28, 2017 15:22:46 GMT
Whether taken out of context or not, what is said is substantial. What Hamill said in no uncertain terms is that he (as an actor) had to channel another character to play the role of Luke Skywalker, TLJ version. Hamill also said in comments elsewhere that Colin Trevorrow's version of Luke Skywalker was much more in harmony with his perception of the character. But Kennedy and Abrams let him go. It makes you wonder if the creative differences leading to Trevorrow being fired didn't center around Luke being written as too much of a hero that might steal limelight away from Rey. Rey, and maybe even Kylo being the center of attention. I'm sure that they paid Trevorrow for a gag order along with his severance pay. So it sounds like we're getting a Force Ghost Luke then? It sounds like Trevorrow wanted to go in that direction. Now that JJ is in charge of IX it's unclear.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 16:29:55 GMT
So it sounds like we're getting a Force Ghost Luke then? It sounds like Trevorrow wanted to go in that direction. Now that JJ is in charge of IX it's unclear. I wonder if he said that before or after Trevorrow was kicked to the curb. That's quite a leak!
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Post by audiosane on Dec 28, 2017 20:47:24 GMT
Is that literally all he said in the entire interview? Just this paragraph? You aren't leaving anything out, you aren't cherry picking anything? You aren't ignoring the rest of the interview or pretending interviews where he praised the film and Johnson's direction don't exist? I'm not the one you were originally talking to but I thought I would respond anyway. Mark Hamill is a very nice, generous guy. I think he's in murky water due to wanting to express his disappointment with his personal role in Episode 8, but not wanting to hurt people personally involved in the movie (like the director/cast). He just doesn't have a mean bone in his body. I can understand him having his own ideas/wishes about what happened to his character following Episode 6. Being personally involved with Star Wars for most of his adult life, and having interacted with the fan base for 40 years, it would have been nice if he had input into the script. What's interesting is that Rian Johnson has talked about how he would sit down and work on the script with Carrie Fisher. However, I haven't read any accounts or watched any interviews where he talks about doing that with Mark Hamill. Have you? Personally, I am very disappointed with the movie. I wouldn't want to seek to diminish your enjoyment of it though. Nor do I want to cyberbully Rian Johnson or anyone else involved with the production. Me not liking the movie doesn't mean it's a terrible movie, that Rian is a hack, or anything like that. It simply means I didn't like it. While Mark has a right to his opinion too, his doesn't mean the movie is horrible either. HARRISON: It's okay, Mark. They can't hurt you no more. #NotMyLukeSkywalker
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 21:07:30 GMT
Whether taken out of context or not, what is said is substantial. What Hamill said in no uncertain terms is that he (as an actor) had to channel another character to play the role of Luke Skywalker, TLJ version. Hamill also said in comments elsewhere that Colin Trevorrow's version of Luke Skywalker was much more in harmony with his perception of the character. But Kennedy and Abrams let him go. It makes you wonder if the creative differences leading to Trevorrow being fired didn't center around Luke being written as too much of a hero that might steal limelight away from Rey. Rey, and maybe even Kylo being the center of attention. I'm sure that they paid Trevorrow for a gag order along with his severance pay. So it sounds like we're getting a Force Ghost Luke then? But no Force Ghost Ack! 😿
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Dec 28, 2017 21:28:17 GMT
So it sounds like we're getting a Force Ghost Luke then? But no Force Ghost Ack! 😿
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Post by shinnickneth on Dec 30, 2017 0:43:19 GMT
Hmm, maybe. I haven't seen it in several years. Only recently got HBO back. Gotta catch up sometime next year. I really wanted to like the latest season of Curb. I watched it several times on different occasions (often when I was doing other things). I chuckled maybe two or three times but nothing where I was hysterically laughing like the past seasons. Hope you like it though!
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Post by shinnickneth on Dec 30, 2017 1:14:25 GMT
The 3 on the podcast weren't afraid either of pointing out after 2 movies, Kylo Ren might be the only character we care anything about. Rey? Not as special as we were led to believe. Finn? Just another guy. Same for Poe. The rest of the villains have all been write offs. Without Han, Luke, & Leia... this trilogy is just live sets & Disney writing. I actually really like Adam Driver as an actor. His work in Episode 8 was one of the few good qualities about it. I particularly liked how the character matured from 7 to 8. However, the whole Han/Leia hatred storyline involving Ben just isn't good. Not a fan of that. One of the few Star Wars traditions they kept in 8 was the lame killing of the antagonists. Unfortunately, it's one of the few traditions I hoped they would do away with in the ST. We don't need a new, temporary antagonist per episode. What we needed was character development and an interesting narrative. What we got instead: Phasma? Just a "shiny, cool toy" character who got no character development and just died with a fizzle. I was hoping they would do something with her in 8 but that was big negatory, Red Ryder. Snoke? He was actually little interesting to me in 8 despite saying lines verbatim that The Emperor said in Episode 6. I found him a miscalculation in Episode 7 but they partially fixed that in 8...until they quickly killed him off too. They should have took note of the story telling with The Emperor in the OT. Palpatine was a huge threat and advesary to Luke. They set Snoke to be that and then just did away with him. I shook my head when he was killed. It was sloppy. Hux? The actor, while I like his work in other movies (i.e. About Time and Ex Machina), managed to do even worse job acting in 8. Good god he was awful! He was only remotely ok in 7 at certain points. They should have took note from the actors playing Imperial Officers in the OT, who played the characters with very little emotion (for the most part). Why did they do that? Because they're suppose to be military. Military are trained to handle stress and show very little emotion (much like law enforcement). The over-the-top emotional performance by the Hux actor looking like he bit into a lemon passed its expiration date by the end of the movie.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Dec 30, 2017 3:01:58 GMT
The 3 on the podcast weren't afraid either of pointing out after 2 movies, Kylo Ren might be the only character we care anything about. Rey? Not as special as we were led to believe. Finn? Just another guy. Same for Poe. The rest of the villains have all been write offs. Without Han, Luke, & Leia... this trilogy is just live sets & Disney writing. I actually really like Adam Driver as an actor. His work in Episode 8 was one of the few good qualities about it. I particularly liked how the character matured from 7 to 8. However, the whole Han/Leia hatred storyline involving Ben just isn't good. Not a fan of that. One of the few Star Wars traditions they kept in 8 was the lame killing of the antagonists. Unfortunately, it's one of the few traditions I hoped they would do away with in the ST. We don't need a new, temporary antagonist per episode. What we needed was character development and an interesting narrative. What we got instead: Phasma? Just a "shiny, cool toy" character who got no character development and just died with a fizzle. I was hoping they would do something with her in 8 but that was big negatory, Red Ryder. Snoke? He was actually little interesting to me in 8 despite saying lines verbatim that The Emperor said in Episode 6. I found him a miscalculation in Episode 7 but they partially fixed that in 8...until they quickly killed him off too. They should have took note of the story telling with The Emperor in the OT. Palpatine was a huge threat and advesary to Luke. They set Snoke to be that and then just did away with him. I shook my head when he was killed. It was sloppy. Hux? The actor, while I like his work in other movies (i.e. About Time and Ex Machina), managed to do even worse job acting in 8. Good god he was awful! He was only remotely ok in 7 at certain points. They should have took note from the actors playing Imperial Officers in the OT, who played the characters with very little emotion (for the most part). Why did they do that? Because they're suppose to be military. Military are trained to handle stress and show very little emotion (much like law enforcement). The over-the-top emotional performance by the Hux actor looking like he bit into a lemon passed its expiration date by the end of the movie. Phasma I might've had her lead a mutiny against Hux, given the green light by Kylo Ren who's all but given up on him. Chalk her up in the Boba Fett-Darth Maul chain of cool characters flicked off the table.
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Post by darkpast on Dec 31, 2017 1:18:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 1:28:45 GMT
He's a straight shooter, and too damn old to want to be anything different!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 1:42:26 GMT
No doubt he was leaned on by his publicists to make this extra statement, but that's only the fault of idiots in the internet who selectively posted comments he made that seemed critical of the movie while excising the comments to the effect that in the end he was behind the movie in full and came around to Rian Johnson's vision. Nothing has changed. He hasn't retracted shit. Kathleen Kennedy...that you? Heh, looks like you. You keep living in la la land buddy. Hamill clearly thought that Rian Johnson was a hack as do half the fans who saw the movie. You're either intentionally being obtuse to the truth or your perception skills are novice-level.
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Post by faustus5 on Dec 31, 2017 12:12:11 GMT
Hamill clearly thought that Rian Johnson was a hack as do half the fans who saw the movie. You couldn't back up this claim with evidence if your pathetic life depended on it.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 31, 2017 14:55:49 GMT
Hamill clearly thought that Rian Johnson was a hack as do half the fans who saw the movie. You couldn't back up this claim with evidence if your pathetic life depended on it. You're full of crap. Watch the following video. You can take most of those statements out of context, or put them back into context. Most of them will essentially have the same meaning, or carry the same weight.
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