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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Dec 28, 2017 2:07:43 GMT
I agree with everything you said except the Joe Johnston part. He was a great effects man, but awful director. I think he is a decent journeyman director which is what a SW needs. Although not a fan of the Rocketeer, it did have an old fashioned feeling (despite Disney tampering). Jurassic Park 3 had the most old fashioned serial matinee story (though I understand that they wrote the script on set among the actors). Scott would be all wrong for Star Wars. He's too modern in cinematography style (and his stories are often pretty flat). Auteurs directors are overrated. |
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Dec 28, 2017 2:12:35 GMT
James Mangold might be a good choice too.
I have only seen the Wolverine but it was competently directed.
It also depends on the screenwriter of course.
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Post by johnspartan on Dec 28, 2017 2:15:33 GMT
I agree with everything you said except the Joe Johnston part. He was a great effects man, but awful director. I think he is a decent journeyman director which is what a SW needs. Although not a fan of the Rocketeer, it did have an old fashioned feeling (despite Disney tampering). Jurassic Park 3 had the most old fashioned serial matinee story (though I understand that they wrote the script on set among the actors). Scott would be all wrong for Star Wars. He's too modern in cinematography style (and his stories are often pretty flat). Auteurs directors are overrated. George Lucas was a true artist who directed A New Hope, and ghost directed Empire and Return of the Jedi. It will take much more than a decent journeyman to restore greatness. |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Dec 28, 2017 2:22:15 GMT
IMO the ideal director for Star Wars is Joe Johnston. His style is close to a Star Wars sensibility. But they want to use SW for diversity propaganda so someone like him wouldn't get near it. Um...  |
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Dec 28, 2017 2:24:07 GMT
George Lucas was an artist who directed A New Hope, and ghost directed Empire and Return of the Jedi. It will take much more than a decent journeyman to restore greatness. Gary Kurtz was involved too though. And Marcia Lucas. I wonder if their absence on ROTJ had a bearing. Interesting interview I listened to recently with Kurtz (from May) and he said that Jedi knights and the Force were influenced by Medieval Catholicism, not the Hidden Fortress or Canadian experimental filmmaking as has been said elsewhere. So many different opinions. I dont think greatness can be restored. The best one could hope for is a stand alone film that has something of the same style and feeling, but the studio control makes that impossible. I do not expect Disney to huddle around a table and say: we really fucked up with this Diversity stuff, we better dial back. If anything I expect they will increase it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 2:28:27 GMT
Sure, give him another franchise to screw up.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 2:29:11 GMT
And the Aliens franchise had lost its way, badly, but this direction isn't proving very successful either.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Dec 28, 2017 2:29:27 GMT
Maybe it will dawn on people eventually that Hollywood sees film as a propaganda apparatus. Nothing more. The filmmakers who came from an earlier generation like Scott when the agenda was not so blatant are struggling to stay relevant and employed.
Too bad they didnt combine forces to create another United Artists. Disney, Welles, Korda, Huston and others did that.
I listened to a round table at the Hollywood Reporter with Scott, Tarantino, and others and it was embarrassing how infantile and banal the film discussion was.
But I agree with Scott about the worn out status of ALIEN.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Dec 28, 2017 2:37:21 GMT
George Lucas was a true artist who directed A New Hope, and ghost directed Empire and Return of the Jedi. Oh, stfu. "George was the best producer I ever worked with. He left me alone and only came to England a few times." - www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2010/10/irvin-kershner Hell, a lot of people say ANH itself had to be rescued out from under him. But generally it's agreed he had more control on ROTJ...hence ewoks. |
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Post by johnspartan on Dec 28, 2017 2:46:18 GMT
George Lucas was a true artist who directed A New Hope, and ghost directed Empire and Return of the Jedi. Oh, stfu. "George was the best producer I ever worked with. He left me alone and only came to England a few times." - www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2010/10/irvin-kershner Hell, a lot of people say ANH itself had to be rescued out from under him. But generally it's agreed he had more control on ROTJ...hence ewoks. Lucas had 2 bonafide hits that he definitely directed. Odd that Kirshner only has The Empire Strikes back. Do the math, connect the dots. |
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Post by johnspartan on Dec 28, 2017 2:48:06 GMT
Maybe it will dawn on people eventually that Hollywood sees film as a propaganda apparatus. Nothing more. The filmmakers who came from an earlier generation like Scott when the agenda was not so blatant are struggling to stay relevant and employed. Too bad they didnt combine forces to create another United Artists. Disney, Welles, Korda, Huston and others did that. I listened to a round table at the Hollywood Reporter with Scott, Tarantino, and others and it was embarrassing how infantile and banal the film discussion was. But I agree with Scott about the worn out status of ALIEN. Alien would come roaring back with the proposed sequel to Aliens. |
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Dec 28, 2017 3:04:58 GMT
Alien would come roaring back with the proposed sequel to Aliens. What? That Blomkamp thing? No no no. It's dead. Nothing lasts forever. Just like SW-they waited too long to bring back the old cast. |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Dec 28, 2017 3:22:20 GMT
Oh, stfu. "George was the best producer I ever worked with. He left me alone and only came to England a few times." - www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2010/10/irvin-kershner Hell, a lot of people say ANH itself had to be rescued out from under him. But generally it's agreed he had more control on ROTJ...hence ewoks. Lucas had 2 bonafide hits that he definitely directed. Odd that Kirshner only has The Empire Strikes back. Do the math, connect the dots. The term "one hit wonder" exists not for nothing. The dots certainly tell me that ESB doesn't look or feel like anything Lucas has directed. For one year out of his career, he took a break from point and shoot directing and three point lighting to deliver the visual marvel of the Bespin scenes? Not a single bad performance (well, except maybe the "two fighters against a star destroyer" guy)? Math isn't adding up for me, especially when you throw the prequels into the mix. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 3:28:49 GMT
Maybe it will dawn on people eventually that Hollywood sees film as a propaganda apparatus. Nothing more. The filmmakers who came from an earlier generation like Scott when the agenda was not so blatant are struggling to stay relevant and employed. Too bad they didnt combine forces to create another United Artists. Disney, Welles, Korda, Huston and others did that. I listened to a round table at the Hollywood Reporter with Scott, Tarantino, and others and it was embarrassing how infantile and banal the film discussion was. But I agree with Scott about the worn out status of ALIEN. Alien would come roaring back with the proposed sequel to Aliens. Scott has had two chances to make it come roaring back and failed both times. |
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Post by johnspartan on Dec 28, 2017 3:44:57 GMT
Alien would come roaring back with the proposed sequel to Aliens. Scott has had two chances to make it come roaring back and failed both times. Ridley has nothing to do with what I was talking about. I'm talking about a sequel to James Cameron's Aliens where Hicks and Newt are alive. |
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Post by jonesjxd on Dec 29, 2017 2:39:31 GMT
I completely agree with him. Ridley Scott is a dangerous filmmaker. Star Wars was all the craze, then he came around and changed the game with a dark, cynical sci-fi slasher with Alien, then he did it again by redefining sci-fi as a dark, existential noir with Blade Runner. These movies are great, but they are the antithesis of what Star Wars is. Scott has made a career out of being cynical, and deserves recognition for that, I even love Hannibal. He's made films that veered away from cynicism such as the more traditionally epic Gladiator, and celebrated science and humanity with The Martian, but he's still not getting any less cynical. He just made Alien: Covenant. So while I respect Ridley Scott, and agree he's too edgy for Star wars, I wouldn't want him anywhere near Star Wars anyway.
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