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Post by General Kenobi on Dec 31, 2017 18:19:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2018 12:18:15 GMT
I think i am going to agree with the article.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Jan 2, 2018 4:20:42 GMT
Eh, the hand-to-hand fight on Arrow being better seems a little dubious. Sure, they make Oliver, et al, typically be the victors in a brawl more often than not, but I'd hardly say they've earned the prowess as effectively as they should. I mean, he was put through the ringer, and some skilled fighters have briefly taken him under their wing, but "martial artist" doesn't sound like the word I'd describe Oliver with. Jason David Frank, better known as the Green Ranger on Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers, is a martial artist; to what degree he might be ranked in comparison to others, I don't know, but I kind of feel like he should be able to beat up Arrow's Oliver Queen... Don't get me wrong, Arrow-Ollie would probably fair better than Smallville-Ollie, but it doesn't change the fact that Arrow hasn't properly given these characters the commensurate level of training needed for the fight skills they're supposed to have. Laurel was a prime example of this, spending a few months training with a boxer before becoming the Black Canary. Sure, Nessa later took over that training, but we're supposed to believe Laurel was able to achieve superior League of Assassin level fighting skill in the course of a few months, to actual members of the League of Assassins who had been training with the League for years? And in hindsight, I find myself disappointed with most of flashbacks showing Oliver's journey towards returning home as the Hood/Arrow. Even at the time, I thought he became proficient with the bow and arrow much faster than he arguably should have, but then it seemed like he hardly used it during the flashbacks after season 2. There also weren't much, if any real instances where he had occasion to actually hone specific fighting skills, and just sort of flailed from one situation to the next, clawing for survival; and more often than not he got lucky. Then there's Curtis, whom they made a point of making him out to be more of a liability in the field than anything, in spite of previously being established as a Olympic level athlete in several disciplines; and then all of sudden this year he's mostly holding his own. ..... I mean... technically, yeah... but you know, only because Smallville-Oliver out and out told everyone at a press conference; whereas Arrow-Oliver seems to be content telling every citizen of the multiverse in person, one at a time... Arrow-Green Arrow's secret identity is one of the worst kept secrets of the Arrow-verse, right up there next to Mick's drinking problem, Flash's secret identity, and where Team Arrow/Team Flash keep their secret bases of operations. Wait, what?  Arrow all but cloned a slightly more awkward version of Chloe and named her Felcity.... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2018 12:24:18 GMT
I personally preferred Justin Hartley's version of the Green Arrow more than Stephen Amell's 'cause it was more similar to the comic book character. I liked his history with Lex Luthor and him being the CEO of Queen Industries which he should be in 'Arrow' now and it makes no sense to me why there is no Queen Industries in 'Arrow' when it was a big part of his character and it is like having Batman without Wayne Enterprises. I also liked Supergirl, Black Canary, Stargirl, Saturn Girl and Hawkman in 'Smallville' more than the versions we have got in the 'Arrowverse.' My only problem with 'Smallville's Green Arrow is how they had Speedy join the show and made it look like she was going to become a reoccurring character and after the episode where the Dark Archer came after all the people he cared about she was gone and was never mentioned again.
I will always wonder what the 'Green Arrow' and 'Supergirl' TV shows would have been like if they had gone through with the two 'Smallville' spinoffs and I think they might have been better. 
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Post by dazz on Jan 2, 2018 13:41:57 GMT
I don't quite agree on the team player bit, sure Oliver's less inclined to initiate the team thing, but at the same time he's never betrayed his team mates, where as they have done so to him repeatedly, but Arrow's version stands by his team more, where as Smallville's version at one point specifically double crosses Clark so that he and the others can try and kill Davis/Doomsday rather than split the man and the beast first, which also shits on the better about not killing thing, he's still not as bad as Arrow's GA but it's not like he killed once and then was so emotionally wrecked he never tried to do it again like they claim.
Also Oliver always intended to work with people, he says so in S1, he knew he couldn't be the Hood and keep his family safe, keep his secret and so on alone, he made the choice to bring Diggle in early on of his own choosing, sure making it a 3 man team or 4 man and so on wasn't part of his initial plan, which given the path this show has taken at times has made me wish more than once that he had never expaned the team beyond Diggle but oh well.
I also disagree about overstaying his welcome or that Arrow is "clearly" Oliver's show, GA on Smallville imo helped balance out the story of Clark growing as a hero because he had Ollie who would challenge him, he wasn't one of the people that owed Clark more life debts than they could count they were equals who were equally right & wrong about things but Ollie's ability to challenge Clark and engage him on a more confrontational manner than say Lana, Chloe or Lois could where it would more often be a one sided conversation, Clark & Oliver could actually argue with each other and depending on their relationship at the time it could be respectful or confrontational.
Where as on Arrow it sometimes feels like the only reason Oliver is still on the show because it's called Arrow, and we have all joked about how this show should be called Felicity & friends at times.
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