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Post by politicidal on Jan 2, 2018 0:33:49 GMT
...thanks to another goddamn toy spoiling plot details. He's American? TEXT: "...Erik Stevens was an American black-ops soldier who earned the nickname "Killmonger" while in the field. However, after disappearing off the grid, he has reemerged with a plan that threatens to put Black Panther and all of Wakanda at risk. Using his charisma, considerable skills in combat and his surprising knowledge of Wakandan customs, Erik Killmonger is a dangerous threat to all that T'Challa holds dear." www.cinemablend.com/news/1753209/what-michael-b-jordans-erik-killmonger-is-up-to-before-black-panther |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 2, 2018 3:16:22 GMT
...thanks to another goddamn toy spoiling plot details. He's American? TEXT: "...Erik Stevens was an American black-ops soldier who earned the nickname "Killmonger" while in the field. However, after disappearing off the grid, he has reemerged with a plan that threatens to put Black Panther and all of Wakanda at risk. Using his charisma, considerable skills in combat and his surprising knowledge of Wakandan customs, Erik Killmonger is a dangerous threat to all that T'Challa holds dear." www.cinemablend.com/news/1753209/what-michael-b-jordans-erik-killmonger-is-up-to-before-black-pantherHe's a Wakandan Expatriate who was banished from Wakanda as a little boy while the rest of his family died. He's likely acquired American Citizenship since then. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 2, 2018 3:23:26 GMT
...thanks to another goddamn toy spoiling plot details. He's American? TEXT: "...Erik Stevens was an American black-ops soldier who earned the nickname "Killmonger" while in the field. However, after disappearing off the grid, he has reemerged with a plan that threatens to put Black Panther and all of Wakanda at risk. Using his charisma, considerable skills in combat and his surprising knowledge of Wakandan customs, Erik Killmonger is a dangerous threat to all that T'Challa holds dear." www.cinemablend.com/news/1753209/what-michael-b-jordans-erik-killmonger-is-up-to-before-black-pantherHe's a Wakandan Expatriate who was banished from Wakanda as a little boy while the rest of his family died. He's likely acquired American Citizenship since then. So Killmonger was just an orphan child when T'Challa's father kicked him out of his own country and forced him to move to another continent without any family? No wonder Killmonger wants to overthrow T'Challa's government. |
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Post by Vassaggo on Jan 2, 2018 3:32:53 GMT
He's a Wakandan Expatriate who was banished from Wakanda as a little boy while the rest of his family died. He's likely acquired American Citizenship since then. So Killmonger was just an orphan child when T'Challa's father kicked him out of his own country and forced him to move to another continent without any family? No wonder Killmonger wants to overthrow T'Challa's government. While that is great motivation from Killmonger's POV, likely not the full story. I am thinking there is going to be shades of grey in this backstory. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 2, 2018 21:06:30 GMT
He's a Wakandan Expatriate who was banished from Wakanda as a little boy while the rest of his family died. He's likely acquired American Citizenship since then. So Killmonger was just an orphan child when T'Challa's father kicked him out of his own country and forced him to move to another continent without any family? No wonder Killmonger wants to overthrow T'Challa's government. Watch the movie before you make blanket statements like that. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 3, 2018 0:42:23 GMT
So Killmonger was just an orphan child when T'Challa's father kicked him out of his own country and forced him to move to another continent without any family? No wonder Killmonger wants to overthrow T'Challa's government. Watch the movie before you make blanket statements like that. How is that a blanket statement? I'm just re-stating the same thing you stated:
"banished from Wakanda as a little boy while the rest of his family died. He's likely acquired American Citizenship since then."
1. Only rulers (i.e. Kings) can banish someone from their country so Killmonger was kicked out of his own country as a child by T'Challa's father, who was the King when Killmonger was a child.
2. You said he was a little boy and the rest of his family died. So Killmonger was an orphan child when T'Challa's father kicked him out of the country.
3. If Killmonger acquired American citizenship, that means Killmonger had to have moved to the U.S. I've never read a Black Panther comic book, but from what I've read on these boards, Wakanda is in Africa. Africa is a different continent than North America. So T'Challa's father kicked Killmonger out of his own country as an orphan child and forced Killmonger to move to another continent with no family.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 3, 2018 0:47:04 GMT
So Killmonger was just an orphan child when T'Challa's father kicked him out of his own country and forced him to move to another continent without any family? No wonder Killmonger wants to overthrow T'Challa's government. While that is great motivation from Killmonger's POV That sounds like Black Panther is basically copying Superman II. The "sins" of the father visited upon the children. Zod thought Jor-El was responsible for sending him to the Phantom Zone so Zod wanted to make the son of Jor-El kneel before him. T'Challa's father kicked Killmonger out of his own country when he was just an orphan child so Killmonger wants to overthrow T'Challa's son. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jan 3, 2018 1:24:59 GMT
While that is great motivation from Killmonger's POV That sounds like Black Panther is basically copying Superman II. The sins of the father visited upon the children. Jor-El was responsible for sending Zod to the Phantom Zone so Zod wants to make the son of Jor-El kneel before him. T'Challa's father kicked Killmonger out of his own country when he was just an orphan child so Killmonger wants to overthrow T'Challa's son. That's basically what his Arc was in the comics. His dad helped klaw attacked wakanda which got his father killed and his family exiled. He flees to America and plots his vengeance against the king of wakanda. This storyline happened before Superman II, btw. |
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Post by Vassaggo on Jan 3, 2018 1:25:09 GMT
While that is great motivation from Killmonger's POV That sounds like Black Panther is basically copying Superman II. The sins of the father visited upon the children. Jor-El was responsible for sending Zod to the Phantom Zone so Zod wants to make the son of Jor-El kneel before him. T'Challa's father kicked Killmonger out of his own country when he was just an orphan child so Killmonger wants to overthrow T'Challa's son. I don't know if they are using that trope or not. I am going to judge it after I seen it. I got to ask a question. Are you always negative about Marvel and always positive about DC? It seems like when and if Marvel does something good you bring up that DC did it better or first. As a lover of both I can see the flaws and strengths of both companies and their products. Just wondering. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 3, 2018 1:41:47 GMT
Watch the movie before you make blanket statements like that. How is that a blanket statement?
You're assuming that's the whole story and nothing else. Watch the movie first. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 3, 2018 1:42:17 GMT
While that is great motivation from Killmonger's POV That sounds like Black Panther is basically copying Superman II. You think Superman II was original with that plot? It's been done for LONG before Superman existed. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 3, 2018 1:43:32 GMT
That sounds like Black Panther is basically copying Superman II. The sins of the father visited upon the children. Jor-El was responsible for sending Zod to the Phantom Zone so Zod wants to make the son of Jor-El kneel before him. T'Challa's father kicked Killmonger out of his own country when he was just an orphan child so Killmonger wants to overthrow T'Challa's son. I don't know if they are using that trope or not. I am going to judge it after I seen it. I got to ask a question. Are you always negative about Marvel and always positive about DC? It seems like when and if Marvel does something good you bring up that DC did it better or first. As a lover of both I can see the flaws and strengths of both companies and their products. Just wondering. He hates anything the MCU makes, he likes anything Marvel-related as long as it isn't from the MCU. Mainly because the MCU has been clobbering DC at practically everything. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 2:02:27 GMT
That sounds like Black Panther is basically copying Superman II. You think Superman II was original with that plot? It's been done for LONG before Superman existed. , anyone? |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 3, 2018 6:52:03 GMT
That sounds like Black Panther is basically copying Superman II. The sins of the father visited upon the children. Jor-El was responsible for sending Zod to the Phantom Zone so Zod wants to make the son of Jor-El kneel before him. T'Challa's father kicked Killmonger out of his own country when he was just an orphan child so Killmonger wants to overthrow T'Challa's son. I don't know if they are using that trope or not. I am going to judge it after I seen it. I got to ask a question. Are you always negative about Marvel and always positive about DC? No, I've said before that Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2 are 2 of the top 10 best superhero movies ever made. And I also liked X2: X-Men United, X-Men: Days of Future Past, and the first Fantastic Four movie (the one starring Ioan Gruffeld and Jessica Alba, not the one starring Miles Teller and Kata Mara). And X-Men: Dark Phoenix is my most anticipated superhero movie this year, even more so than Aquaman. |
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Post by scabab on Jan 3, 2018 6:57:15 GMT
Let's not turn this into the umpteenth DC vs Marvel thread. Don't you same few users get sick of cycling through the same few arguments constantly?
No more DC talk. Just stick to Black Panther and the characters.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 3, 2018 7:33:22 GMT
Sure thing. MCU rulers sure are total assholes.
Odin was a brutal and ruthless conqueror who had his own daughter serve as an Executioner, until he feared that his daughter had become too ambitious and would take his throne so he banished his daughter to the underworld. And T'Challa's father kicked an orphan child out of his own country and forced the orphan child to move to another continent, without any family. That is just cold and ruthless.
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Post by leesilm on Jan 3, 2018 15:19:10 GMT
Wonder how old they'll have him be, when he's exiled, and how active a part he played in what was done to get him exiled. I could see him having been 15-18 years old and having been at his father's side, and that the King saw it as being merciful to send Erik K. away in banishment because it would get him away from the influences that had lead him to stand before the King as a traitor- but that the father who gave such a legacy to his son (I would imagine a King who had to hand down the mantle of not only kingship but the Black Panther, would be very aware of Legacy and what fathers lead their sons to)and who betrayed his people, country, and King - would face death.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jan 3, 2018 16:03:53 GMT
Sure thing. MCU rulers sure are total assholes.
Odin was a brutal and ruthless conqueror who had his own daughter serve as an Executioner, until he feared that his daughter had become too ambitious and would take his throne so he banished his daughter to the underworld. And T'Challa's father kicked an orphan child out of his own country and forced the orphan child to move to another continent, without any family. That is just cold and ruthless.
It's called characterization and character development. Something the DCEU wouldn't know a thing about |
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Post by Vassaggo on Jan 3, 2018 17:43:54 GMT
Let's not turn this into the umpteenth DC vs Marvel thread. Don't you same few users get sick of cycling through the same few arguments constantly? No more DC talk. Just stick to Black Panther and the characters. Sorry about steering it that way. I was just curious. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 3, 2018 21:29:23 GMT
I don't know if they are using that trope or not. I am going to judge it after I seen it. I got to ask a question. Are you always negative about Marvel and always positive about DC? No, I've said before that Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2 are 2 of the top 10 best superhero movies ever made. And I also liked X2: X-Men United and X-Men: Days of Future Past. And X-Men: Dark Phoenix is my most anticipated superhero movie this year, even more so than Aquaman. So you just dislike the MCU...mainly because it trounces the DCEU and XCU at every turn. |
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