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Post by looking4klingons on Jan 3, 2018 19:16:18 GMT
If you want, you can ask me (honest) questions, one at a time, about the Bible and it’s Author. I’ll answer when I can.
I hope my answers will be understandable.
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Post by gadreel on Jan 3, 2018 19:17:51 GMT
Who wrote the bible? Just you say Author as if it was but one person.
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Post by Rodney Farber on Jan 3, 2018 20:03:47 GMT
Here is a passage from Exodus 26 where God gives instructions for constructing his temple: Moreover you shall make the tabernacle with ten curtains of fine woven linen and blue, purple, and scarlet thread; with artistic designs of cherubim you shall weave them. 2 The length of each curtain shall be twenty-eight cubits, and the width of each curtain four cubits. And every one of the curtains shall have the same measurements. 3 Five curtains shall be coupled to one another, and the other five curtains shall be coupled to one another. 4 And you shall make loops of blue yarn on the edge of the curtain on the selvedge of one set, and likewise you shall do on the outer edge of the other curtain of the second set. 5 Fifty loops you shall make in the one curtain, and fifty loops you shall make on the edge of the curtain that is on the end of the second set, that the loops may be clasped to one another. 6 And you shall make fifty clasps of gold, and couple the curtains together with the clasps, so that it may be one tabernacle. ...
Please critique the thoughts of Darren Garrison: Any concept understandable to people today would be understandable to people 3,000 years ago, if you have the patience. If there was a god 3,000 years ago and wanted people to understand the germ theory of disease, he could have told them how to make a fucking microscope instead of giving instructions on exactly what the curtains in his temple should look like.
Or, if you wish, why did God create Cancer, Smallpox, The Black Plague, Cholera, and Erectile Dysfunction?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 3, 2018 21:34:35 GMT
God should have told his people how to construct a microscope?
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Post by Rodney Farber on Jan 3, 2018 23:17:15 GMT
God should have told his people how to construct a microscope? Telling how to construct a microscope would have been more beneficial to mankind than to give instructions for the drapes in the temple. We could have eradicated smallpox 1000 years earlier than we did. Smallpox viruses do not go to church and pray to God, so F*** them. If God wants to be praised in church, he should help those that do go to church.
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Post by OpiateOfTheMasses on Jan 3, 2018 23:25:12 GMT
Okay... at an even more basic level then... why didn't God tell people to boil their water before they drank it? Particularly when the water source was potentially suspect - it would have been an easy way to save many lives and would have be very easy for people in those times to do. It's almost as if whomever actually wrote the book only know what everyone else at that time knew and didn't actually have any special insight or knowledge into the world.
The author was happy to throw out loads of other random rules (e.g. not to wear mixed fibres), but not something that would actually improve the standard of their lives? Or were they aware and just didn't care if people died from painful, easily preventable diseases?
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Post by Isapop on Jan 3, 2018 23:28:09 GMT
The author was happy to throw out loads of other random rules (e.g. not to wear mixed fibres), but not something that would actually improve the standard of their lives? Or were they aware and just didn't care if people died from painful, easily preventable diseases? But they'd come to their funerals well dressed.
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Post by yougotastewgoinbaby on Jan 3, 2018 23:33:50 GMT
What happened to the Ark of the Covenant?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 3, 2018 23:55:07 GMT
God should have told his people how to construct a microscope? Telling how to construct a telescope would have been more beneficial to mankind than to give instructions for the drapes in the temple. We could have eradicated smallpox 1000 years earlier than we did. Says who? You? Lol
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 4, 2018 0:02:49 GMT
What happened to the Ark of the Covenant? No one knows. It's built to be moved so it's possible it was moved before Babylon destroyed Solomon's temple. It was not mentioned as one of the items taken to Babylon or returned to Jerusalem once rebuilding started. It didn't hold anymore significance anyway which means the Nazi's faces probably wouldn't have been melted off in Raiders.
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Post by Isapop on Jan 4, 2018 0:12:33 GMT
If you want, you can ask me (honest) questions, one at a time, about the Bible and it’s Author. I’ll answer when I can. I hope my answers will be understandable. I'll ask you about what you said on another thread: "Because of my study of the Bible with Jehovah’s Witnesses, I’ve come to have a LOT of faith in the Bible and it’s Author! And I’ve never seen him, either. The import of what Revelation 12:9, 1 John 5:19, 2 Corinthians 4:4, & Luke 4:6 say, isn’t lost on me, either! Talk about conspiracies! We’re living in the midst of the biggest ones ever, especially in these last days."
Based on those scriptures, you mean Satan's conspiracy, where he has "blinded the minds of unbelievers". In any conspiracy there are victims. Satan is apparently misleading billions of people into false religions. They are victims of Satan's conspiracy, and yet it is Jehovah God who decrees a soon to come everlasting punishment upon them. Isn't Jehovah's punishment on all those people a case of "blaming the victim"?
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Post by thefleetsin on Jan 4, 2018 0:14:07 GMT
how is it that the desires of the followers of god(s) always seem to magically align with the wishes of their gods?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 4, 2018 0:17:09 GMT
Okay... at an even more basic level then... why didn't God tell people to boil their water before they drank it? Particularly when the water source was potentially suspect - it would have been an easy way to save many lives and would have be very easy for people in those times to do. It's almost as if whomever actually wrote the book only know what everyone else at that time knew and didn't actually have any special insight or knowledge into the world. The author was happy to throw out loads of other random rules (e.g. not to wear mixed fibres), but not something that would actually improve the standard of their lives? Or were they aware and just didn't care if people died from painful, easily preventable diseases? Bwahahahahaha!!!!!! Mixed fibers. It never gets old. If only there was a shrimp reference... Anyway, back to the questions which you already answered as if it's a flaw in religious thinking. (Sorry, OP, but the board is lacking this basic stuff and I have no idea when you're coming back. No answer will satisfy though, so there's plenty of room...) There's a lot of things people do everyday that isn't included in the Bible as instructions. Case in point, boiled water was probably happening for as long as there had been fire. Further, much fresh water doesn't even require boiling. The Bible was not a Good Housekeeping magazine.
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Post by yougotastewgoinbaby on Jan 4, 2018 0:33:53 GMT
What happened to the Ark of the Covenant? No one knows. It's built to be moved so it's possible it was moved before Babylon destroyed Solomon's temple. It was not mentioned as one of the items taken to Babylon or returned to Jerusalem once rebuilding started. It didn't hold anymore significance anyway which means the Nazi's faces probably wouldn't have been melted off in Raiders. What do you mean it didn’t hold any significance? It contained the 10 commandments...I’d think that it is highly significant to the Jewish people. It’d be cool to know where it is. I always liked the idea that it got moved to Ethiopia prior to the destruction of the first temple, but who the hell knows.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 4, 2018 1:05:40 GMT
No one knows. It's built to be moved so it's possible it was moved before Babylon destroyed Solomon's temple. It was not mentioned as one of the items taken to Babylon or returned to Jerusalem once rebuilding started. It didn't hold anymore significance anyway which means the Nazi's faces probably wouldn't have been melted off in Raiders. What do you mean it didn’t hold any significance? It contained the 10 commandments...I’d think that it is highly significant to the Jewish people. It’d be cool to know where it is. I always liked the idea that it got moved to Ethiopia prior to the destruction of the first temple, but who the hell knows. The 10 Commandments were routinely copied and well known. At best we can say they lost a relic which I guess is kinda sad. When I say it didn't have a significance anymore, I mean that God was in no way using it for anything by the time it disappeared. It was meant to represent his presence and protection of the people for as long as they were faithful.
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Post by koskiewicz on Jan 4, 2018 16:51:24 GMT
The Ark of the Covenant is located under the stone floor in Rosslyn Chapel in Scotland. It was placed there by the Knights Templar...
Read the book "Rosslyn" by Tim Wallace-Murphy and Marilyn Hopkins
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Post by captainbryce on Jan 4, 2018 17:10:34 GMT
Bwahahahahaha!!!!!! Mixed fibers. It never gets old. Probably because it never gets answered. Correction: If only there was a shrimp reference that might make the logic you are about to use here consistent and reasonable. Fixed it! I think a reasonable answer that didn’t rely on kettle logic or circular reasoning would satisfy many. Sadly, we don’t get many of those on threads like this. Which begs the question, WHY NOT? Especially when you consider that there are many other (seemingly less important and less logical) instructions that ARE included. And yet it specifically tells people to collect running water instead of still water, and warns them that shellfish is an abomination unto them. Why did God feel that this information was necessary (he obviously did since it’s in the Bible), but boiling water to make it clean was not necessary? Clearly, Israelites wouldn’t have died of bacterial infections had they done this. Why wouldn’t god have applied the same logic in this case as he did with the other things written?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 4, 2018 17:24:50 GMT
captainbryceWhat's the question? Talk about circular. Why would something other cultures do need to be included as particualr instructions for israelites? Should they include how to cook a lamb too? Maybe how to make a sturdy sandal. Perhaps how long to smash a grape to make wine...Let's come up with some more mundane things to include! So it does provide instructions on safe water habits? Which would be crucial information. Boiling water is not mandatory to drink water. There were plenty of times that they drank water straight without boiling it and plenty of people do that now. There's no indication this was a serious issue to begin with.
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Post by gadreel on Jan 4, 2018 17:33:37 GMT
Bwahahahahaha!!!!!! Mixed fibers. It never gets old. Probably because it never gets answered. That is the current view, a number of rules in the bible are essentially ways of separating the chosen people from the pagans. Just to be clear, my firm belief is that these rules are not rules from God™, God™ cant give rules it's not logically possible, these are rules from men, some of the rules (not these ones in particular) are good common sense, some are to separate the chosen from the herd, some are to control men.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 4, 2018 17:40:45 GMT
Probably because it never gets answered. That is the current view, a number of rules in the bible are essentially ways of separating the chosen people from the pagans. Just to be clear, my firm belief is that these rules are not rules from God™, God™ cant give rules it's not logically possible, these are rules from men, some of the rules (not these ones in particular) are good common sense, some are to separate the chosen from the herd, some are to control men. The first part is right although the mixed fibers was also designed to separate the priestly class from the remaining tribes. The last part about God not being able to make rules is a bit on the silly side.
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