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Post by Skaathar on Jan 15, 2018 16:48:50 GMT
Yeah, and Rose was one of them.
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Post by ryboto on Jan 15, 2018 17:46:01 GMT
And thus she doomed them to death by upgraded AT-AT blaster fire.. wait, you say they survived!? Whole movie is ridiculous. Why didn't they just use the flagship resistance vessel to kamikaze from the start? Why couldn't a droid pilot it? Why didn't the FO just hyperspace ahead of them to wipe them out? It's all utter crap, so why argue about this triviality? Why not just turbo-laser the entire base? Woudn't even have the need for a surface attack. ISDs did this all the time. It's one of the big, strategic advantages the Empire has over the Rebellion after the events of the PT. Why not? Because the base on Hoth was not turbo-lasered in TESB. In TESB they did have that ion cannon and shield generators... Maybe that keeps the larger ships at a safe distance/the shield makes a tubro laser barrage mostly harmless. This the Imperials had to resort to a ground offensive. There was no such defensive weaponry showcased in TLJ.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 20:07:50 GMT
Why not just turbo-laser the entire base? Woudn't even have the need for a surface attack. ISDs did this all the time. It's one of the big, strategic advantages the Empire has over the Rebellion after the events of the PT. Why not? Because the base on Hoth was not turbo-lasered in TESB. In TESB they did have that ion cannon and shield generators... Maybe that keeps the larger ships at a safe distance/the shield makes a tubro laser barrage mostly harmless. This the Imperials had to resort to a ground offensive. There was no such defensive weaponry showcased in TLJ. Right, agree, in TESB the ion canon disrupts the lead ISD's capabilities and the base does have defensive shielding. The base on Crait does not. So why not just turbolaser it to ashes? Because a ground assault mimics what happened on Hoth, pure and simple.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 15, 2018 21:49:37 GMT
In TESB they did have that ion cannon and shield generators... Maybe that keeps the larger ships at a safe distance/the shield makes a tubro laser barrage mostly harmless. This the Imperials had to resort to a ground offensive. There was no such defensive weaponry showcased in TLJ. Right, agree, in TESB the ion canon disrupts the lead ISD's capabilities and the base does have defensive shielding. The base on Crait does not. So why not just turbolaser it to ashes? Because a ground assault mimics what happened on Hoth, pure and simple. Weren't their ships all messed up from the Kamikaze attack? They probably didn't have turbolaser orbital bombardment capability anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 21:52:21 GMT
Right, agree, in TESB the ion canon disrupts the lead ISD's capabilities and the base does have defensive shielding. The base on Crait does not. So why not just turbolaser it to ashes? Because a ground assault mimics what happened on Hoth, pure and simple. Weren't their ships all messed up from the Kamikaze attack? They probably didn't have turbolaser orbital bombardment capability anymore. This is not a snarky question, just curiosity. Are you speculating or was there in-movie dialogue that substantiates this?
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 15, 2018 21:53:19 GMT
Weren't their ships all messed up from the Kamikaze attack? They probably didn't have turbolaser orbital bombardment capability anymore. This is not a snarky question, just curiosity. Are you speculating or was there in-movie dialogue that substantiates this? I'm pretty sure getting most of your ships chopped in half would mess up power to weapons. Outright saying so would just seem silly.
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Post by ryboto on Jan 15, 2018 23:06:41 GMT
This is not a snarky question, just curiosity. Are you speculating or was there in-movie dialogue that substantiates this? I'm pretty sure getting most of your ships chopped in half would mess up power to weapons. Outright saying so would just seem silly. Unfortunately this is just speculation because there was no exposition explaining this. At least TESB had the ion cannon and shields that are actually shown to explain the ground attack. This scene in TLJ is just one of dozens that don't make a lock off sense when you take a step back from the spastic pace and think through the logic of the scene.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 23:07:14 GMT
This is not a snarky question, just curiosity. Are you speculating or was there in-movie dialogue that substantiates this? I'm pretty sure getting most of your ships chopped in half would mess up power to weapons. Outright saying so would just seem silly. Okay, so you're speculating.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 15, 2018 23:14:00 GMT
Is it really so hard to believe that the ships getting all chopped up wouldn't have messed up their weapons? Did we NEED to be told any of that outright?
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Post by ryboto on Jan 15, 2018 23:40:04 GMT
Is it really so hard to believe that the ships getting all chopped up wouldn't have messed up their weapons? Did we NEED to be told any of that outright? No, but it's still speculation. The ST has an issue with plotting and introducing organic exposition. A lot just isn't said and leaves the audience to speculate. All they had to do was have a scene where Kylo orders they bombard the base, he's told all the turbo laser batteries are not functional, he has another rage fit and orders Hux to prep a ground assault. Quick and easy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 23:42:02 GMT
Is it really so hard to believe that the ships getting all chopped up wouldn't have messed up their weapons? Did we NEED to be told any of that outright? No, it's not hard to believe at all. But the movie itself gave us no indication of that. Did we see damage to the ship that Kylo was on when he launched the attack? Were there warning lights going off? Alarms blaring? Any FO officers talking at their stations about repairs, etc.? Is it so hard to believe that Kylo ordered a surface attack because.....Hoth rehash?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 23:44:50 GMT
Is it really so hard to believe that the ships getting all chopped up wouldn't have messed up their weapons? Did we NEED to be told any of that outright? And if we didn't NEED to be given one ounce of proof, why'd we get it in TESB? Why the whole dialogue about coming out of light speed too close to Hoth (thus, the Rebels were able to activate their shield). Why the ion canon? Because TLJ had shitty writing and TESB didn't.
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Post by ryboto on Jan 15, 2018 23:53:06 GMT
Is it really so hard to believe that the ships getting all chopped up wouldn't have messed up their weapons? Did we NEED to be told any of that outright? And if we didn't NEED to be given one ounce of proof, why'd we get it in TESB? Why the whole dialogue about coming out of light speed too close to Hoth (thus, the Rebels were able to activate their shield). Why the ion canon? Because TLJ had shitty writing and TESB didn't. Apparently Poe does say "alright shields are up so they cant shoot us from orbit" but this is after Kylo orders Hux "get all our forces down to that Resistance base, let's finish this"... So....maybe he's an expert tactician and correctly anticipated they'd have shields? Said shields are conveniently down when Rose and Finn crash into the base...they were being followed by TIES, implying there was an ISD in orbit...bit I suppose they were working from Kylos orders so they didn't fire at the planet... Just awful.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 0:12:37 GMT
And if we didn't NEED to be given one ounce of proof, why'd we get it in TESB? Why the whole dialogue about coming out of light speed too close to Hoth (thus, the Rebels were able to activate their shield). Why the ion canon? Because TLJ had shitty writing and TESB didn't. Apparently Poe does say "alright shields are up so they cant shoot us from orbit" but this is after Kylo orders Hux "get all our forces down to that Resistance base, let's finish this"... So....maybe he's an expert tactician and correctly anticipated they'd have shields? Said shields are conveniently down when Rose and Finn crash into the base...they were being followed by TIES, implying there was an ISD in orbit...bit I suppose they were working from Kylos orders so they didn't fire at the planet... Just awful. I missed the mention of the shield, which makes the writing even worse. It would take waaaaay longer for the Resistance to land, organize and power up than it would have for the FO to fire one turbolaser volley and one is all it would have taken. Just awful writing.
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Post by shinnickneth on Mar 11, 2018 5:49:42 GMT
Pretty much
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Post by thenewnexus on Mar 16, 2018 14:36:59 GMT
She comes across as a crazy fangirl when she force sees him,she can't handle herself,she gets in Finns way he tries to sacrifice himself and that kiss felt forced
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Post by shinnickneth on Mar 16, 2018 21:30:57 GMT
She comes across as a crazy fangirl when she force sees him,she can't handle herself,she gets in Finns way he tries to sacrifice himself and that kiss felt forced Perhaps the wrong sister died?
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 18, 2018 18:07:20 GMT
She is an annoying, ugly little pig. ETA: also the most superfluous character -- thanks, shinnickneth -- in all of Fake Star Wars.
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Post by shinnickneth on Mar 19, 2018 5:34:43 GMT
ETA: also the most superfluous character -- thanks, shinnickneth -- in all of Fake Star Wars. Remember when George Lucas stated he was no longer involved in Disney's Star Wars movies? He said it was due to them, "Wanting to make something for fans." Kathleen Kennedy and Lucasfilms then reiterated that exact wording... They're all delusional if they think Episode 8 is what the fans wanted!
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