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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 7:09:18 GMT
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Post by BexxyJ on Jan 15, 2018 10:39:42 GMT
Doesn't everybody already know he is The Flash anyway? What was the point of having secret identities on this show? Smallville dragged things out and Chloe didn't find out Clark was The Blur until season 4 and for Lana and Lois it was longer. This show comes along and everybody knows Barry is The Flash by season 2. WTF were they thinking?
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Post by dazz on Jan 15, 2018 17:12:14 GMT
A secret ID for this character in this show is so pointless, the idea is you hide who you are to protect your loved ones, but all the big bads and a bunch of the middle bads know who The Flash is anyway, his entire team/family are already fighting crime, 3 of them have superpowers in their own right, Joe's a cop and Iris can also kick some butt so what's the point?
Atleast in Arrow theres the justification that outing himself as GA also means outing himself for multiple killings so theres a reason to still hide who he is, but for Flash hell for Supergirl it makes no sense, all the people they care about are already in on the crime fighting so why bother hiding?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 7:09:57 GMT
Doesn't everybody already know he is The Flash anyway? What was the point of having secret identities on this show? Smallville dragged things out and Chloe didn't find out Clark was The Blur until season 4 and for Lana and Lois it was longer. This show comes along and everybody knows Barry is The Flash by season 2. WTF were they thinking? Well, not everybody does yet. The police don't or they wouldn't have arrested Barry at the end of the last episode and would have listened to him about DeVoe. I am actually surprised why with Central City seeing the Flash as a hero along with the CCPD Barry didn't just talk to his boss about DeVoe as the Flash and warn him not to trust him 'cause he might have listened to him and DeVoe wouldn't have been able to set him up with his murder. That being said I thought they would have gone down the 'Smallville' path too and made it that Iris didn't find out Barry was the Flash until the fifth season but they had them get together a lot earlier than I expected too and that is something that could have been played out more with Barry dating Fiona Webb after Patty left the show.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 7:21:32 GMT
A secret ID for this character in this show is so pointless, the idea is you hide who you are to protect your loved ones, but all the big bads and a bunch of the middle bads know who The Flash is anyway, his entire team/family are already fighting crime, 3 of them have superpowers in their own right, Joe's a cop and Iris can also kick some butt so what's the point? Atleast in Arrow theres the justification that outing himself as GA also means outing himself for multiple killings so theres a reason to still hide who he is, but for Flash hell for Supergirl it makes no sense, all the people they care about are already in on the crime fighting so why bother hiding? Yeah. You are right. There is no point in hiding his identity from everybody when all the big bads already know who Barry is so he isn't really protecting them from anybody like Superman believed he was with Lois but one has to wonder why the writers decided to have all of his villains find out who he was so early like with Reverse Flash it was explainable 'cause he was posing as Harrison Wells and was with Barry all the time but when you look at how many villains know who another superhero like Batman is which is only a small amount of them like Hugo Strange, Ra's al Ghul, Red Hood (who turns good again and becomes an antihero) and Bane (who lost the memory of that) in the comic books and Arkham games the writers of 'The Flash' mustn't be fans of the whole 'Secret Identity' thing 'cause they exposed him to everybody very quickly. Funny enough with Supergirl in a lot of the Supergirl comic books in the 00s Kara had no secret identity and was Supergirl all the time. She stayed in the costume and would sleep in the air or in space which they actually did do in an episode this season when she was nearly hit by a plane.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jan 17, 2018 17:35:34 GMT
Barry could have gotten out of this whole situation any number of ways. When he found the body in his apartment he could have gotten rid of it and cleaned himself and his apartment before the cops even arrived. Or he could have jumped back in time 24 hours and stopped Clifford from framing him in the first place. Or even after the fact he could make all the evidence against him disappear from the police evidence locker and no one would even see him do it. No evidence, no trial.
But instead he just stands trial and doesn't even offer any defense whatsoever. His lawyer stinks BTW.
And he says he can't break the law. He breaks the law all the time! All that hacking that Sisco does is illegal. Being a vigilante is illegal. He used to keep metas locked up at the labs with no trials. SMH.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jan 17, 2018 23:22:36 GMT
I agree with taylor. If Barry can hold a conversation with Iris in a second then there is no way he couldn't have disposed of the body and cleaned his apartment.
Everybody became an idiot just so this story could play out the way they wanted it. Especially when they let a guy on house arrest live the courthouse.
Dumb. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.
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Post by dazz on Jan 17, 2018 23:41:09 GMT
I agree with taylor. If Barry can hold a conversation with Iris in a second then there is no way he couldn't have disposed of the body and cleaned his apartment. Everybody became an idiot just so this story could play out the way they wanted it. Especially when they let a guy on house arrest live the courthouse. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb. One issue I always have is they can explain away certain issues easily, Barry not speed cleaning the scene or even getting away so he wasn't found over the dead body is simple, bad guy super brain somehow created a speedforce dampening field, which would make sense as it was a staged scene in a predetermined location, why Barry doesn't simply time travel to fix the problem, again bad guy prevents it, seeing as he can block Cisco's powers and he manipulated the team into opening up the speedforce as well as manipulating where it opened up safe to assume he could do this also, and the kicker is this doesn't need to be shown but simply stated in a brief 30 second scene.
Hell they could actually have Barry not doing anything be a part of his plan, instead of trying to counter the evil dudes machinations he's choosing to observe them, have it be Barry having a strategy instead of Barry making stupid choices based on bullshit like they did.
Anyone have issue with Barry & Iris's speedtalk being apparently missable by everyone else, given it created huge amounts of speedforce lightning, they still actually spoke albeit at a high speed both should probably be noticeable even if baffling as to what happened to the others in the room right?
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Post by stargazer1682 on Jan 18, 2018 1:08:51 GMT
I've been second guessing the whole masked identity for certain characters for a long time. I am of the mind that it's tricky to start pulling those kinds of threads in stories, asking if this or that is realistic, everything unravels and you're left just the real world, where this stuff doesn't really work. So I always maintain that if the conceit of story is that x, y or z is real thing, then writers should try to justify through some measure of internal logic to back it up. If it just doesn't work though, if the concept is outdated or too absurd, then maybe it's time to change it towards something that does make sense.
For Batman, I've long been of the opinion that him operating under the cover of being an urban legend is arguably what would make him the most effective; the idea of playing on people's superstition to shake their confidence when facing him. The anonymity also allows him to slip under the radar and effectively beat the criminals at their own game. But I also like an idea put out by the Adam West Batman series, where they say that Batman and Robin aren't vigilantes, but rather deputized law enforcement agents, even though their identities aren't known by authorities.
I never liked that the Green Lantern movie simply ignored the measures taken to hide Hal's identity; sure, the mask may not hide much, but if the conceit is that his identity is meant to be concealed, then they need to make that work. But in that case, I think they've reached a point where they should consider just having Hal's identity known, or at least not concealed; because he operates on a galactic scale, so who's going to know him from Adam outside his hometown, much less on another planet? And considering neither John Stuart or Guy Gardener wear masks, why bother with Hal?
For the Flash, they went down that road in the comics, with Wally West revealing his identity when he took over after Barry's death; because he wanted to pay proper respect to Barry by letting people know that this wasn't the same Flash. This did ultimately result in him being attacked personally; and eventually his identity as the Flash was obscured to most people by Hal Jordan as the Spectre. But considering the number of threats Barry has encountered who have learned his identity, it should mostly be a lateral move going public. A few things might change with the extra scrutiny, but on the whole, probably not that much.
As others have said, this entire story has been beyond forced. From DeVoe and his wife being granted a restraining order after crying harassment after only two innocuous visits - the second occurring in a very public setting - to the fastest freaking man alive being caught on video breaking and entering; it's just been so frustratingly stupid. Like someone else said, why not talk to Singh as the Flash? Why not do so many things that could have avoided all of this?
I actually expected Barry to be forced to reveal himself during the trial, when the crisis with Fallout started. It seemed unlikely he would have his phone on him during the trial, but I thought for sure that he'd have no choice but to zoom away, rather than just be allowed to leave like that. And crack DA Cecile hardly seems to make...any case for Barry's innocence. She might as well stayed with the prosecution.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jan 18, 2018 18:22:50 GMT
The one thing I liked was the judge say he has been on the bench for 30 years and never seen anything this heinous. Really? Central City probably has a population of 2 million people. The biggest city to me has a population of 38,000 and I have read stories in the paper far worse then the murder of DeVoe. So, not buying it judge!
And to top it off, Barry just happens to get the same cell his father had? I could not stop laughing.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Jan 18, 2018 19:29:04 GMT
And Dr Henry Allen couldn't help but do something as cliched and juvenile as carving, "Henry Allen was here," on the wall....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 12:21:17 GMT
Okay. I have seen the episode now and I agree with most of you about it being dumb but I have to wonder if the entire court case was a set up and Barry has deliberately gone to prison to trick DeVoe and his Wife into thinking they have won and there is somebody in prison Barry wants to talk to that could have information about DeVoe. They have done this in other TV shows where somebody has faked going to prison to get information or to trick criminals and if that is the case Barry has just outsmarted DeVoe. The whole thing at the end of the court case seemed kinda off to me so it is maybe it was staged.
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Post by BexxyJ on Jan 23, 2018 14:24:58 GMT
Doesn't everybody already know he is The Flash anyway? What was the point of having secret identities on this show? Smallville dragged things out and Chloe didn't find out Clark was The Blur until season 4 and for Lana and Lois it was longer. This show comes along and everybody knows Barry is The Flash by season 2. WTF were they thinking? Well, not everybody does yet. The police don't or they wouldn't have arrested Barry at the end of the last episode and would have listened to him about DeVoe. I am actually surprised why with Central City seeing the Flash as a hero along with the CCPD Barry didn't just talk to his boss about DeVoe as the Flash and warn him not to trust him 'cause he might have listened to him and DeVoe wouldn't have been able to set him up with his murder. That being said I thought they would have gone down the 'Smallville' path too and made it that Iris didn't find out Barry was the Flash until the fifth season but they had them get together a lot earlier than I expected too and that is something that could have been played out more with Barry dating Fiona Webb after Patty left the show.
DeVoe needs to go. Pronto. His wife and him are ruining the show. He's a lame villain that nobody cares about and I don't see why Barry can't pick his ass up and take him to the North Pole and leave him there.
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Post by BexxyJ on Jan 23, 2018 14:26:49 GMT
The one thing I liked was the judge say he has been on the bench for 30 years and never seen anything this heinous. Really? Central City probably has a population of 2 million people. The biggest city to me has a population of 38,000 and I have read stories in the paper far worse then the murder of DeVoe. So, not buying it judge! And to top it off, Barry just happens to get the same cell his father had? I could not stop laughing. That was some corny shit there. Are they expecting us to believe that he would just happen to wind up in the same cell as his Dad?
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Post by BexxyJ on Jan 23, 2018 14:29:27 GMT
Okay. I have seen the episode now and I agree with most of you about it being dumb but I have to wonder if the entire court case was a set up and Barry has deliberately gone to prison to trick DeVoe and his Wife into thinking they have won and there is somebody in prison Barry wants to talk to that could have information about DeVoe. They have done this in other TV shows where somebody has faked going to prison to get information or to trick criminals and if that is the case Barry has just outsmarted DeVoe. The whole thing at the end of the court case seemed kinda off to me so it is maybe it was staged. That is a good idea hun but because it is a good idea I doubt they will use it.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Jan 23, 2018 14:48:12 GMT
Yeah, that gives the writers a lot of credit for original thinking.
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Post by dazz on Jan 23, 2018 16:41:35 GMT
Yeah, that gives the writers a lot of credit for original thinking. That's not even original thinking just competent thinking, but as last season showed us they are inept at such things, or even attempting such things, they just go the laziest and lamest ways possible and then wonder why the emotional stakes aren't there anymore.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jan 23, 2018 19:29:31 GMT
yeah, one gets the feeling they're coasting by on past successes and are just phoning it in. This season is a chore to watch because of how dumb and alazy every decision has been.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 12:18:10 GMT
yeah, one gets the feeling they're coasting by on past successes and are just phoning it in. This season is a chore to watch because of how dumb and alazy every decision has been. I agree with all of you. It is sad to see how low 'The Flash' has sunk this season in quality compared to the other shows 'cause it was an enjoyable show and I am still going to watch every episode this season but I particularly have high hopes for the rest of the season. I mean I never thought I would have said this back in Season 4 but 'Arrow' is a far better show right now even though it has problems and The Flash is currently my least favourite out of 'Arrow', 'Supergirl', 'Gotham' and 'DC's Legends of Tomorrow.' If the show is renewed which I still think it will be ('cause I doubt any of them will be cancelled this year) they should bring in new writers and let people like Geoff Johns take over as the main writers.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jan 24, 2018 15:56:57 GMT
The Flash will certainly be renewed. It's the highest rated show on CW.
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