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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 19:45:53 GMT
There are now plans to make a movie about Michelle Obama and her epic struggle to overcome so many hurdles in her life. At this time, the working title is 'Chelle'. She is a true inspiration and has overcome more than most Princeton graduates.
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Post by misternick on Mar 8, 2017 20:06:36 GMT
...Was Jackie such a hit?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 23:50:16 GMT
... Was Jackie such a hit? OH yeah, it more than doubled its cost at the box office. I'd call that a big hit. |
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Post by ashverses on Mar 9, 2017 0:05:09 GMT
... Was Jackie such a hit? OH yeah, it more than doubled its cost at the box office. I'd call that a big hit. Wait, what was the budget for this huge hit? This would need a budget under 10M for it to break even with a WW total of 22.4M. Granted, it didn't look expensive. I thought the movie was terribly "Oscary". Just begging for nominations. It took me out of the film. 3/10 for the film. Acting was fine, but movie...ugh. EDIT I found a site that states the budget for this was 9M. Add in the Oscar pandering $$$, this thing lost money. To be considered for Oscars, which Jackie was completely trying to do, money does need to be spent on campaigning. If they spent $0 on Oscar campaigning, it made 1-2M tops. 1-2M =/= "big hit" |
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Post by jeffersoncody on Mar 9, 2017 0:05:09 GMT
There are now plans to make a movie about Michelle Obama and her epic struggle to overcome so many hurdles in her life. At this time, the working title is 'Chelle'. She is a true inspiration and has overcome more than most Princeton graduates. Make sure to check out the excellent SOUTHSIDE WITH YOU jamesavalon. |
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Post by jeffersoncody on Mar 9, 2017 0:10:46 GMT
OH yeah, it more than doubled its cost at the box office. I'd call that a big hit. Wait, what was the budget for this huge hit? This would need a budget under 10M for it to break even with a WW total of 22.4M. Granted, it didn't look expensive. I thought the movie was terribly "Oscary". Just begging for nominations. It took me out of the film. 3/10 for the film. Acting was fine, but movie...ugh. EDIT I found a site that states the budget for this was 9M. Add in the Oscar pandering $$$, this thing lost money. To be considered for Oscars, which Jackie was completely trying to do, money does need to be spent on campaigning. If they spent $0 on Oscar campaigning, it made 1-2M tops. 1-2M =/= "big hit" While I rated JACKIE a wee bit higher than you, I too thought it was pretty awful ashverses. I also thought Natalie Portman was weak in the title role (the voice was a shocker) and definitely didn't deserve her Oscar nomination. It is easily one of the most disappointing pictures I saw in 2016. |
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Post by ashverses on Mar 9, 2017 0:44:38 GMT
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I realized why you might have thought this made money.
Rule of thumb to determine if a movie is profitable is to take it's production budget and double it.
Jackie = 9M. Jackie would have to make 18M to break even.
Every 1 dollar made at the box office =/= 1 dollar profit. Theaters today take some of that profit. There is advertising, promotion, distributing costs, etc. Then for movies such as this, there is also campaigning. My guess is that this might have broken even. That's it.
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Post by ashverses on Mar 9, 2017 0:47:41 GMT
Wait, what was the budget for this huge hit? This would need a budget under 10M for it to break even with a WW total of 22.4M. Granted, it didn't look expensive. I thought the movie was terribly "Oscary". Just begging for nominations. It took me out of the film. 3/10 for the film. Acting was fine, but movie...ugh. EDIT I found a site that states the budget for this was 9M. Add in the Oscar pandering $$$, this thing lost money. To be considered for Oscars, which Jackie was completely trying to do, money does need to be spent on campaigning. If they spent $0 on Oscar campaigning, it made 1-2M tops. 1-2M =/= "big hit" While I rated JACKIE a wee bit higher than you, I too thought it was pretty awful ashverses. I also thought Natalie Portman was weak in the title role (the voice was a shocker) and definitely didn't deserve her Oscar nomination. It is easily one of the most disappointing pictures I saw in 2016. Yeah, I rated this kind of hard because of the obvious pandering. It wasn't the only movie I rated low this year for that reason (Manchester). It just really takes me out of the film when it is just checking the boxes it needs to for being "Oscar worthy". It was probably better than what I rated it, but to each their own. |
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Post by jeffersoncody on Mar 9, 2017 6:52:06 GMT
While I rated JACKIE a wee bit higher than you, I too thought it was pretty awful ashverses. I also thought Natalie Portman was weak in the title role (the voice was a shocker) and definitely didn't deserve her Oscar nomination. It is easily one of the most disappointing pictures I saw in 2016. Yeah, I rated this kind of hard because of the obvious pandering. It wasn't the only movie I rated low this year for that reason (Manchester). It just really takes me out of the film when it is just checking the boxes it needs to for being "Oscar worthy". It was probably better than what I rated it, but to each their own. Hi ashverses - on MANCHESTER BY THE SEA our opinions vastly differ. I rated Lonergan's gut-wrenching and achingly sad (but ultimately uplifting and strangely beautiful) film a 10 out of 10, and have watched it twice. It is easily one of of my top four films of 2016 and to say I was moved by it is an understatement - I wept copiously duiring that astonishingly emotionally potent and already justly famous scene between the Casey Affleck and Michelle Williams' characters, and at the end of the film. Playwright, screenwriter and director Kenneth Lonergan ( MARGARET, YOU CAN COUNT ON ME) has a remarkable understanding of the human condition and I consider him one of the finest writers working in American cinema today. I would urge you to clear your mind of any preconceived notions and watch MANCHESTER BY THE SEA again. Have you seen MARGARET and YOU COUNT ON ME? |
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Post by ashverses on Mar 9, 2017 13:20:00 GMT
Yeah, I rated this kind of hard because of the obvious pandering. It wasn't the only movie I rated low this year for that reason (Manchester). It just really takes me out of the film when it is just checking the boxes it needs to for being "Oscar worthy". It was probably better than what I rated it, but to each their own. Hi ashverses - on MANCHESTER BY THE SEA our opinions vastly differ. I rated Lonergan's gut-wrenching and achingly sad (but ultimately uplifting and strangely beautiful) film a 10 out of 10, and have watched it twice. It is easily one of of my top four films of 2016 and to say I was moved by it is an understatement - I wept copiously duiring that astonishingly emotionally potent and already justly famous scene between the Casey Affleck and Michelle Williams' characters, and at the end of the film. Playwright, screenwriter and director Kenneth Lonergan ( MARGARET, YOU CAN COUNT ON ME) has a remarkable understanding of the human condition and I consider him one of the finest writers working in American cinema today. I would urge you to clear your mind of any preconceived notions and watch MANCHESTER BY THE SEA again. Have you seen MARGARET and YOU COUNT ON ME? Maybe I was wrong to compare Jackie and Manchester as I liked Manchester significantly better than Jackie. I cried multiple times a throughout Manchester, that's for sure. It did tear me apart during that scene (and others) in which you spoke. I'm human, how can I not be affected by the subject matter. I won't watch it again, The Oscar nominations were just a "sober" stack of movies. I learned that making me cry at the movies is easier than making me laugh or making me feel joy so I'm very careful not to rate the movie high based on it's ability to pull tears from my eyes. I guess what I'm trying to say is that when a movie such as Manchester is dealing with such a heavy subject matter (loss of children), the acting, I feel, is Oscar made. Being as old as I am, I know the phases of grief, guilt, mourning and all the in betweens. Many people do. I don't think this is particularly as difficult to act as other roles. It's my thought and others may disagree and that is fine. |
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Post by jeffersoncody on Mar 11, 2017 21:49:55 GMT
Hi ashverses - on MANCHESTER BY THE SEA our opinions vastly differ. I rated Lonergan's gut-wrenching and achingly sad (but ultimately uplifting and strangely beautiful) film a 10 out of 10, and have watched it twice. It is easily one of of my top four films of 2016 and to say I was moved by it is an understatement - I wept copiously duiring that astonishingly emotionally potent and already justly famous scene between the Casey Affleck and Michelle Williams' characters, and at the end of the film. Playwright, screenwriter and director Kenneth Lonergan ( MARGARET, YOU CAN COUNT ON ME) has a remarkable understanding of the human condition and I consider him one of the finest writers working in American cinema today. I would urge you to clear your mind of any preconceived notions and watch MANCHESTER BY THE SEA again. Have you seen MARGARET and YOU COUNT ON ME? I learned that making me cry at the movies is easier than making me laugh or making me feel joy so I'm very careful not to rate the movie high based on it's ability to pull tears from my eyes. I guess what I'm trying to say is that when a movie such as Manchester is dealing with such a heavy subject matter (loss of children), the acting, I feel, is Oscar made. Being as old as I am, I know the phases of grief, guilt, mourning and all the in betweens. Many people do. I don't think this is particularly as difficult to act as other roles. It's my thought and others may disagree and that is fine. I disagree with your thoughts mightily here ashverse. For a start, while grief is certainly a theme which runs through the film, forgiveness and redemption are the most dominant themes at play here, and phases of grief such as denial and bargaining don't factor into the equasion. And while I may only be 57, I know about girief too. However, having had to learn to forgive myself for, among other things, my part in a terrible accident involving my brother when I was 12, I know a whole hell of a lot about forgiveness and unbearable guilt. The slow and painful path to redemption is something I understand only to well. "I learned that making me cry at the movies is easier than making me laugh or making me feel joy so I'm very careful not to rate the movie high based on it's ability to pull tears from my eyes." I am an a incredibly sensitive and hugely sentimental person too ashverse. So I cry like a baby when I watch sentimental tearjerkers such as THE FAULT IN OUR STARS or THE NOTEBOOK or A WALK TO REMEMBER. And Don't even let me begin to tell you for how many hours after HACHI: A DOG'S story ended I was still sobbing, or how other tearkjerkers such as Clint Eastwood's melancholy manly drams MILLION DOLLAR BABY and the beautiful Swedish film AS IT IS IN HEAVEN left me a wreck. But I am fully aware when I have been manipulated and sometimes even hate myself in the morning (obviously not in the cases of HACHI, MILLION DOLLAR BABY, AS IT IS IN HEAVEN, THE LIVES OF OTHERS or THE BEST YEARS OF OUR LIVES - which are definitely superior tearjerkers and fine dramas). MANCHESTER BY THE SEA is not a sentimental or manipulative films and it comes by its tears honestly - it doesn't tell the viewer what to feel or how to react. I remain curious as to whether you have watched MARGARET or YOU CAN COUNT ON ME - if you have, we can get into a more extensive discussion on Lonergan as a writer and a filmmaker. You underestimate Casey Affleck's submersive, vanity-free, almost universally acclaimed performance in Lonergan's film. Affleck is a fascinating, unusual actor capable of displaying complex layers of deep rooted emotion in an unshowy way in the right roles. When he is correctly cast in films like this one, GONE BABY GONE, THE ASSASSINATION OF JESSE JAMES BY THE COWARD ROBER FORD (which earned him his first Oscar nomination), AIN'T THEM BODIES SAINTS and OUT OF THE FURNACE he can take the role into areas very few actors can. He's a very special actor and it is going to interesting to see where he goes from and what choices he makes - because a bounty of top scripts are going to be coming his way. I get the distinct impression you take preconceived ideas into the cinema with you when you watch certain movies. Of course, these are just my thoughts and you can disagree with them if you like, that's fine. But when a film such as MANCHESTER BY SEA stands out among the well over 10 000 films I have seen in my life, I know it's a really, really good picture. |
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