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Post by Vassaggo on Jan 15, 2018 4:27:52 GMT
In the current climate, should Ben be fired or step down?
He has admitted to sexual misconduct in 2003 against Hilarie Burton on the set of TRL in 2003.
He has been accused by Annamarie Tendler of sexual misconduct at a Golden Globes party in 2014. This was before he even seperated then divorced Jennifer Garner.
He has been accused by Rose McGowan for covering up for Harvey Weinstein. After he said he has to look at his own actions and faults. Then he said "The additional allegations of assault that I read this morning made me sick. This is completely unacceptable, and I find myself asking what I can do to make sure this doesn’t happen to others."
Rose McGowan countered this with "Ben Affleck Fuck off" and then she wrote" 'GODDAMNIT! I TOLD HIM TO STOP DOING THAT' you said that to my face. The press conf I was made to go to after assault. You lie."
So the question stands. When mere accusation gets some people fired. Should Ben Affleck be fired or step down from Batman with accusations and admittance of Guilt?
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jan 15, 2018 15:13:49 GMT
He should absolutely step down. He probably won't though.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jan 15, 2018 15:47:49 GMT
Nope, stay in the DCEU. Go down with the ship.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 15, 2018 16:16:46 GMT
why the false dilemma? There is also the elegant option of a mutual termination of the contract, that will likely happen.
It's artistically better to start this Batman trilogy with a fresh performer and a new tone to avoid formulaic staleness a la MCU, and Batfleck should not become RD Junior or Jonny Depp. Only Jackman avoided that curse. |
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Post by politicidal on Jan 15, 2018 18:26:55 GMT
Let him finish with the one last appearance then they recast.
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Post by Archelaus on Jan 15, 2018 19:35:49 GMT
Despite his misdeeds in the past, he did sign a contract. It's up to executives at Warner Bros. to continue with it or terminate it. I would personally like to see Ben Affleck stay in the DCEU.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jan 15, 2018 19:48:53 GMT
why the false dilemma? There is also the elegant option of a mutual termination of the contract, that will likely happen.
It's artistically better to start this Batman trilogy with a fresh performer and a new tone to avoid formulaic staleness a la MCU, and Batfleck should not become RD Junior or Jonny Depp. Only Jackman avoided that curse. Geez, can you guys stay on point? This has nothing to do with the MCU, but you guys can't go one post without bringing something unrelated in. Also, Jackman did not avoid a curse. His Logan was stale at X3. Everyone was annoyed that the X-men movies were all about Wolverine. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 15, 2018 20:09:40 GMT
why the false dilemma? There is also the elegant option of a mutual termination of the contract, that will likely happen.
It's artistically better to start this Batman trilogy with a fresh performer and a new tone to avoid formulaic staleness a la MCU, and Batfleck should not become RD Junior or Jonny Depp. Only Jackman avoided that curse. Geez, can you guys stay on point? This has nothing to do with the MCU, but you guys can't go one post without bringing something unrelated in. if it's so unrelated why bother to comment? Apart from this, at this point MCU is never unrelated, it's dumbed down formula approach corrupts everything. Even other franchises. Recently read some reviews of the last Star Wars and the "Marvel poison" and idiotic "Marvel humor" pandering to the most lowbrow audiences? Yo momma jokes, what's next? Dance Offs with Raccoon Turds...? Could you really you be so naive not to see this (see next question)? Amazing, everything you just said was wrong. And we have the answer: You are not naive but just a MCU fanboy in denial. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 15, 2018 22:56:28 GMT
Apart from this, at this point MCU is never unrelated, it's successful approach overshadows everything. Even other franchises. Recently read some reviews of the last Star Wars and the "Marvel influence" and "Marvel humor" pandering to the common audiences? Fixed. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jan 16, 2018 1:29:34 GMT
Geez, can you guys stay on point? This has nothing to do with the MCU, but you guys can't go one post without bringing something unrelated in. if it's so unrelated why bother to comment? Apart from this, at this point MCU is never unrelated, it's dumbed down formula approach corrupts everything. Even other franchises. Recently read some reviews of the last Star Wars and the "Marvel poison" and idiotic "Marvel humor" pandering to the most lowbrow audiences? Yo momma jokes, what's next? Dance Offs with Raccoon Turds...? Could you really you be so naive not to see this (see next question)? Amazing, everything you just said was wrong. And we have the answer: You are not naive but just a MCU fanboy in denial. To tell you to stay on point and not derail like you wanted and got. And, yes, people were tired of Wolverine being the main subject of the X-men movies to the point people was jokingly calling the movies Wolverine and the X-men. Logan was a resurgence in the character only because the movie was good. Between X3 and X-men Origins, fans were happy that Logan was only a cameo in First Class. Now you have Jackman flip flopping between wanting and not wanting to be in the MCU. He's like Singer in knowing that his movies outside of X-men aren't getting people into theaters. The Greatest Showman didn't flop, but he sees that he isn't popular enough to get people into theaters. But back on topic. Affleck didn't do anything bad (in the movies) that should have him leave or get fired. Go down with the ship. |
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Post by Vassaggo on Jan 16, 2018 2:10:19 GMT
Personally, I am the rare person, I think, that likes his acting performances even in shitty movies. I'm also one that can separate the art from the artist. I just watched Mallrats and Chasing Amy with my God Son. Him and Kevin Smith donating all future residuals of their Miramax movies is a good thing. And Americans are usually pretty forgiving if you come forward say what you did was wrong and apologize. So with Ben should he stepdown/fire him? Pains me to say it as Ben was the highlight in BvS for me and Justice League I'd vote yes. With one caveat. If Ben comes out and clears all this dirty laundry. It would probably hurt as bad as Gili, but it also could be a good thing. I could see how Ben could stay quite on Weinsein. If I got the timing right for Rose McGowan's statement that would be press for Phantoms. Like around 1997 a year before Good Will Hunting. Ben had no power and in fact Weinstein at that point is pushing for Good Will Hunting to be made or pushing it for Oscars. Somewhere around that time. It's the after part that is damning. He knew then what Weinstein was doing and kept a relationship and pretended not to know. The 2003 thing was during his Drunk/Rehab years. The 2014 thing was right when he was starting to Have problems with Jennifer Garner. The over arching thing is silence (which granted a lot of people were, but we know he knew) and if these 2 things happened was there more. I don't know if you can play a person whose supposed to have the black and white moral code (even though this version deals in a lot of grey because of Snyder) with this taint. I might be wrong on all of this. Just my thoughts.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jan 16, 2018 2:11:21 GMT
And I don't mean can he physically play the character with the taint. Again I can separate the 2. I mean in this climate will people accept him as the character.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jan 16, 2018 2:13:21 GMT
why the false dilemma? There is also the elegant option of a mutual termination of the contract, that will likely happen.
It's artistically better to start this Batman trilogy with a fresh performer and a new tone to avoid formulaic staleness a la MCU, and Batfleck should not become RD Junior or Jonny Depp. Only Jackman avoided that curse. I read how I stated that. Did mean the only option was to Fire or Him to quit. I mean should he either be fired, quit, to part ways amicably, or stay. I wrote that real funky. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 16, 2018 9:57:39 GMT
why the false dilemma? There is also the elegant option of a mutual termination of the contract, that will likely happen.
It's artistically better to start this Batman trilogy with a fresh performer and a new tone to avoid formulaic staleness a la MCU, and Batfleck should not become RD Junior or Jonny Depp. Only Jackman avoided that curse. I read how I stated that. Did mean the only option was to Fire or Him to quit. I mean should he either be fired, quit, to part ways amicably, or stay. I wrote that real funky. "amicably part ways" for me then. |
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Post by kleinreturns on Jan 17, 2018 14:46:20 GMT
if it's so unrelated why bother to comment? Apart from this, at this point MCU is never unrelated, it's dumbed down formula approach corrupts everything. Even other franchises. Recently read some reviews of the last Star Wars and the "Marvel poison" and idiotic "Marvel humor" pandering to the most lowbrow audiences? Yo momma jokes, what's next? Dance Offs with Raccoon Turds...? Could you really you be so naive not to see this (see next question)? Amazing, everything you just said was wrong. And we have the answer: You are not naive but just a MCU fanboy in denial. To tell you to stay on point and not derail like you wanted and got. And, yes, people were tired of Wolverine being the main subject of the X-men movies to the point people was jokingly calling the movies Wolverine and the X-men. Logan was a resurgence in the character only because the movie was good. Between X3 and X-men Origins, fans were happy that Logan was only a cameo in First Class. Now you have Jackman flip flopping between wanting and not wanting to be in the MCU. He's like Singer in knowing that his movies outside of X-men aren't getting people into theaters. The Greatest Showman didn't flop, but he sees that he isn't popular enough to get people into theaters.But back on topic. Affleck didn't do anything bad (in the movies) that should have him leave or get fired. Go down with the ship. ^^^This. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 17, 2018 15:01:45 GMT
To tell you to stay on point and not derail like you wanted and got. And, yes, people were tired of Wolverine being the main subject of the X-men movies to the point people was jokingly calling the movies Wolverine and the X-men. Logan was a resurgence in the character only because the movie was good. Between X3 and X-men Origins, fans were happy that Logan was only a cameo in First Class. Now you have Jackman flip flopping between wanting and not wanting to be in the MCU. He's like Singer in knowing that his movies outside of X-men aren't getting people into theaters. The Greatest Showman didn't flop, but he sees that he isn't popular enough to get people into theaters. ^^^This. ThatGuy
 Isn't popular enough to get people into theaters...? Really? Example Forbes:
www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/01/14/hugh-jackman-and-michelle-williams-greatest-showman-just-broke-a-box-office-record/#65990fd03039
And btw, one must really have no contact with females of any age to not realize how super popular this movie is amongst that demographic. Sorry dude.
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Post by kleinreturns on Jan 17, 2018 15:06:06 GMT
Thank God that the Disney Fox merger is getting rid of both Singer and Jackman from the X-Men franchise.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jan 17, 2018 21:24:13 GMT
Yes, because the females and the gays* are flocking to go see it. And what females? No one is talking about this movie. If this movie was "super popular" with females then you have their boyfriends/husbands/partners taking them on dates to see it also. If this movie was that popular it would be above where it is. If an MCU movie (with a higher budget) was at the same box office as this movie would you be saying the same thing? Again, people aren't flocking to see this movie. Hugh Jackman fans aren't as high as Fox thinks to keep putting him in as Wolverine or for Marvel Studios to keep him on in the MCU. One of my bosses is gay and talks about musicals a lot. Will have mentioned if he saw The Greatest Showman. Especially knowing I'm a CBM fan and that Hugh Jackman is Logan. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 6:39:44 GMT
I think they need to wait and see how 'The Batman' movie goes. If 'The Batman' is a hit they can easily scrap everything else going forward and put the full focus on the Bat Universe which is where it should have been from day one. Warner Bros' biggest mistake was not making 'The Batman' straight after 'Man of Steel.' If they had one hit 'Batman' movie followed by 'Wonder Woman' and left 'Suicide Squad' and 'Justice League' to later the DCEU would be a very different story now. 
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Post by darkpast on Jan 20, 2018 8:02:57 GMT
Ben did not cover for Weinstein ? Rose still worked for Weinstein post incident?
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