Justice League was a disappointment.

No matter how fast he is, if he lacks experience then he'll be prone to making mistakes. Whereas Quicksilver would have had those powers most his life, Flash may have only recently got them.

They were also dealing with two very different things. Quicksilver scenario being fairly straightforward.



He only upgraded himself twice. They could have bypassed the first one and just had him go straight to his Vibranium form but they didn't because then Captain America would have done nothing in the movie.

Captain America kinda has been useless in the two movies. He got his ass kicked by Loki, struggled more than anyone else against the Chitari, got dropped on his ass by Quicksilver, got controlled by Scarlet Witch, got his ass kicked by Ultron and then beat up some Ultron Sentry fodder which are apparently so weak than Black Widow can destroy them with a handgun.

If Ultron hadn't been nerfed then he wouldn't have even been able to have that fight. Iron Man also fought the nerfed Ultron so it had its purpose.

I'm sure Flash could easily have pushed a few bullets out of the way too if he were in Quicksilver's situation. It's a bit different from being in the middle of a battle with flying aliens shooting lasers and some huge God like being.



They probably should have done that though. That is what he is known for, being such a force that he's an intimidating figure even against the whole Avengers. They ruined that by starting off with a weak version of him and we already saw him get beaten easily in the movie by Iron Man and then and trouble with Captain America.

It undermined him going into the final battle. Hopefully a mistake they won't make with Thanks and he will show his dominance from the beginning.



They've done the opposite with Captain America in the Avengers movies by making him look too weak and useless. He's still a good character but in the action scenes Hawkeye has been more valuable than Captain America has.

You're also misusing the overpowered label. Wonder Woman, Quicksilver, Flash and Superman have all been outmatched in the movies so they aren't overpowered. They're powerful but as long as there's been other characters who can match them or outmatch them then they aren't overpowered.

You don't need to break up the replies to more quotations each time. It was two, then three, now four.



Quicksilver was not put into the same situation. He had two action scenes, one involved an house explosion where he transported people outside like The Flash did with the hostages and the other was when he fought Apocalypse one on one.

The Flash was in the middle of trying to save hostages, assist Wonder Woman, deal with countless aliens flying around shooting lasers and a huge flood and having a one on one with the most powerful being around.

The same thing with them being idiots applies to MCU Quicksilver when he somehow thought it was a good idea to try and catch a large hammer in mid air causing him to defeat...himself.



You must really hate Dormammu, Ego, Ronan, Hela and Thanos.



But that's not what I'm referring to, I know Captain America is a great character but when it comes to the action scenes in the Avengers movies, he has been largely useless. He constantly gets beaten up and loses to characters that portrayed as weaklings to some of the other Avengers.

And there was no reason why Steppenwolf couldn't outmatch them. He's been shown to be too much for Wonder Woman in the comics just the same.

But The Flash was overwhelmed with what was going on, he was already a bit scared anyway and was way out of his depth. When he was hit, it was from a blind spot from above and when Flash was eyeing Steppenwolf infront of him.

Quicksilver was just dealing with some security guards.



It was still a stupid and unnecessary thing for him to do and again they had to find a cheap way of him losing. The others couldn't do anything against him so Quicksilver had to just beat himself.



That's not what you said though. You didn't say how they were beaten. You said it was lazy for them to be all powerful from the beginning.

Hela was all powerful from the very beginning. Thanos will also be all powerful from the very beginning. Which means you must find that lazy if you think it would have been lazy if Ultron were done the same way as those two.



Which they've done with the others like Iron Man and Thor but without making them look useless. With what little he has actually provided in the action scenes, he may as well not even be there.



Wonder Woman wasn't a match for Doomsday in the same way Superman wasn't. Strong enough to hold their own to an extent but not for a prolonged period.

A normal Kryptonian has been shown to be far above the likes of Wonder Woman and Steppenwolf. Zod and even Faora had a much better standing against Superman than those two.

That's why Steppenwolf made the comment about there being no Kryptonians when he arrived.

Having a villain more powerful than Superman wouldn't have really fit with what they were trying to do in the movie which was to hype Superman up and his return. Basically the same kind of thing they did with DBZ and them waiting for Goku to show up.

In the sequel they'll have a villain more powerful than Superman but it wasn't required for this one. It would be like them bringing Like Skywalker back only for him to get stomped by Kylo Ren, it just wouldn't have been right.

Quicksilver isn't The Flash though. Just because he doesn't have fear over something doesn't mean an entirely different human being can't have fear. He's young, inexperienced and scared and that is why he made mistakes. Mistakes that keep him from being stupidly OP and ending the movie at the first chance.

Quicksilver defeating himself in Age of Ultron was just another silly gag in a movie with too many and like with Ultron made another villain seem non threatening. Apocalypse has an ability that allows him to adapt to things, that was something he could do in the comic and it was used for the movie so he beat Quicksilver. Don't be ashamed of the comics.



You would never have complained about something with the MCU. You're being contradictory here, you're saying it would be lazy for Ultron to be powerful from the start but then you have Hela who is even more powerful than Ultron from the start...and that's ok. They already said Thanos is the most powerful being in the Universe so he is powerful from the start.



No they should have made other scenes that play to his strengths. These Avengers movies, and I'd suspect the new one too going by the trailer, have him repeatedly fight people way out of his league and so he keeps getting stomped and his only worth has been beating up some fodder but still having less impact than the others.



Superman had just been weakened after being pelted at twice with Kryptonite gas. The only damage that Wonder Woman caused Doomsday was down to the God Slayer Sword and she didn't use it on Superman because she obviously wasn't aiming to cut his limbs off. She used it on Steppenwolf but he was armoured and had the combat skill and Electro Axe to counter it but it would have damaged him had it landed because originally it was intended that Wonder Woman was going to chop his head off but that was considered too violent.

Physically Wonder Woman is no match at all for Superman or Doomsday but she is closer to Steppenwolf as was shown when she and Aquaman pulled him with the lasso whereas even with Cyborg they couldn't budge Superman.



That ain't Luke Skywalker and Kylo Ren though.... No people were anticipating the return of Luke Skywalker, it was expected throughout the movie that he would show up at the end when things are at their worse and so he made some grand comeback where he then fought the bad guy and he was always going to be portrayed in a hyped up way where he was super powerful. They did the same thing with Superman and it was always going to be done that way.

Then that wouldn't be the Flash. He's supposed to be the fastest character around with speed that rivals or even surpasses Superman's and Man of Steel already showed how fast Superman was so they couldn't slow him down.

Besides which they made Quicksilver in Age of Ultron slow in comparison to him and his Fox equivalent and he still lost for the sake of a gag so the speed itself isn't the issue.



His Wiki page describes one of his abilities as

"Apocalypse has control over the molecular structure of his own body and can alter it at will. This means he can adapt his molecular structure to adversity."

So that was comic accurate as opposed to the other Quicksilver just being an idiot.



In first appearance she still crushed his hammer easily. Then she decimated the Asgardians so she was extremely powerful from the very second she was introduced.

That is what should have been done with Ultron but they started him off weak and that cheapened him throughout as we already saw him blasted to pieces.



Well yes evidently his armour is tougher than Doomsday's skin but that has nothing to do with raw physical power anyway. Steppenwolf does have super speed and he did trash Wonder Woman. In the final battle he trashed Cyborg by ripping his leg off and then was still dominating Wonder Woman and Aquaman at the same time so he was.



And they've also had stories where Superman has clearly been the most powerful of the lot and they've counted on him to defeat an enemy that nobody else could. They even did that in the cartoon with Darkseid.

It's obviously not something they'd do repeatedly, it was down for this movie to hype up his return.

You can't rob Superman of his speed. To say you keep complaining about other movies being ashamed of comics you're being contradictory by saying these characters shouldn't have the abilities that they have in the comics. Also Superman, Superman 2 and Man of Steel were good movies so that's three.



The reality warping involved him lifting the ground up from beneath him to grab his foot and keep him in place. The adapting was where he quite clearly began to see Quicksilver's movements to be able to grab him at all, that's why you see his eyes change and Quicksilver slow down from his perspective.



That's true for most characters and real life people that have worn armour. He isn't Iron Man, he ain't encased in it. Again, the image from the comic I posted of him earlier shows him clad in armour except for his face, just like with Thanos' armour.



There's nothing to say he did react to it, he never saw Wonder Woman and Steppenwolf fighting in the Tunnel and they were fighting elsewhere in the Final Battle with Batman focused on the Parademons. Either way you're just looking for things to nitpick with here, Wonder Woman is fast, Steppenwolf is at least fast enough to catch a missile casually, Superman and Flash make them look like they're standing still and Batman is just an ordinary guy.



They should never have killed Superman off at all, that itself was a big mistake. Yes it should have been a team effort but considering they did kill him off, they didn't really have much of a choice. That's Batman vs Superman's fault really and not so much Justice League's so with that in mind, them reviving him and him making his return to somewhat save the day in the end was then more accurate to some other stories.

He was never going to make his grand return to just get his ass kicked and struggle.

That goes against the character though. Then he'd be even slower than Quicksilver. Even at the start of his comics he was supposed to be faster than a speeding bullet.

You can't nerf Superman, he's supposed to be the ultimate hero. That's like making it so Hulk was real strong but not strong enough to lift a tank.



Superman 2 wasn't as camp as the first at least and at least in that movie he finally got to fight somebody so it was action packed.



Well technically Reality Warping isn't accurate. A closer look on the Wikia calls it Matter Manipulation. That isn't something he could do in the comics, he could just manipulate his own molecules instead.

But again, that's besides the point. Him adapting to his speed was the point and that was comic accurate.

Apocalypse in the film was shown to inherit other mutants gifts when he used the transference ritual. Whose to say he didn't gain the gift of slowing down time to stop Quicksilver.

And he was still holding his own in the physical world against the Xmen and in the astral plane only until Phoneix emerges at which point nothing can save him.