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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 12:33:45 GMT
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Post by dazz on Jan 17, 2018 23:56:19 GMT
Meh Colton isn't exactly a great actor, his character was very far from interesting a lot of the time so I dunno how I feel about it, if they do it for a reason then cool if it's just a pointless reappearance then I would prefer they leave it alone, everytime you reuse these methods you get lesser returns, so don't waste them on meaningless crap, make them count.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 12:55:25 GMT
Meh Colton isn't exactly a great actor, his character was very far from interesting a lot of the time so I dunno how I feel about it, if they do it for a reason then cool if it's just a pointless reappearance then I would prefer they leave it alone, everytime you reuse these methods you get lesser returns, so don't waste them on meaningless crap, make them count. Yeah. I hope they don't waste him either but I think it is good he is coming back. Personally I think they should have never wrote Arsenal out of the show 'cause he is such an important character to the Green Arrow and I understand why he had to leave at the time but I feel the writers should have brought him back around the time he was saying he wanted to return. Only that he appears to be doing another TV show I would have no problem with them getting rid of Renee and making Roy a series regular again but maybe that spot might go to the Huntress or Ragman when they return. Renee should go. Nobody would miss him.
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Post by dazz on Jan 22, 2018 5:51:09 GMT
Yeah I'm all for getting rid of Rene, though I disagree about the writers having should brought back Colton when he wanted to, when you think Colton is A: not a big star, B: not they good an actor, C: not that interesting a character in this show, also when you think it's the 2nd show in a few years he just kind of went meh I don't wanna do this anymore an left meaning even if they brought him back it's not like he has a track record of being a stable cast member to build around, had they had a different actor in the role then maybe but Colton doesn't bring anything to the table really so why bend over backwards to accommodate him?
I would much rather have Ragman back he was the one new recruit I actually liked last season, he was both likeable as a character and in his portrayal, with how the character left they could work him back in but depower him a little so he's not such an obvious fix to a solution or you know introduce a new GA sidekick like Arrowette or they could use a new Artemis maybe, or like you said Huntress, I want another lady on the team myself as my fav team line up was GA, Speedy, BC & Spartan, so lets get rid of Wild Dog and add another kick butt chick for equal opportunity butt whooping.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 12:40:38 GMT
Yeah I'm all for getting rid of Rene, though I disagree about the writers having should brought back Colton when he wanted to, when you think Colton is A: not a big star, B: not they good an actor, C: not that interesting a character in this show, also when you think it's the 2nd show in a few years he just kind of went meh I don't wanna do this anymore an left meaning even if they brought him back it's not like he has a track record of being a stable cast member to build around, had they had a different actor in the role then maybe but Colton doesn't bring anything to the table really so why bend over backwards to accommodate him? I would much rather have Ragman back he was the one new recruit I actually liked last season, he was both likeable as a character and in his portrayal, with how the character left they could work him back in but depower him a little so he's not such an obvious fix to a solution or you know introduce a new GA sidekick like Arrowette or they could use a new Artemis maybe, or like you said Huntress, I want another lady on the team myself as my fav team line up was GA, Speedy, BC & Spartan, so lets get rid of Wild Dog and add another kick butt chick for equal opportunity butt whooping. I think the problem was they never made Arsenal out to be as important as he was in the comic books and instead of having him as Oliver's friend they made him Thea's boyfriend and gave the role of Oliver's friend to Diggle. While I like Diggle I feel having the addition of Diggle and Felicity took a lot away from Arsenal and the Black Canary and if they had started the show off with Green Arrow and his sidekick, Speedy (Roy) with Black Canary coming to town it would have benefited those characters. I am not sure why Diggle and Felicity were added to the show in the first place when in the comic books Green Arrow and Speedy debuted at the same time and like Dick Grayson become Nightwing Roy Harper went on to become Arsnal and Mia Dearden become the second Speedy. I didn't know Colton walked out on another show but I can see why the writers would have been iffy about bringing him back now.
I totally agree with you about adding another female character to the team and I would love to see Arrowette and with her being in the new series of 'Young Justice' they might bring her to 'Arrow' next. With Thea no longer on the team they could use another archer too and it would be good to see Renee replaced. With the 'Birds of Prey' movie and if it goes through which I am staying positive that it does 'cause I have waited so long to see a proper live action TV adaption of the 'Birds of Prey' I am hoping they don't make it so 'Arrow' can't use the Black Canary and the Huntress anymore. With the Black Canary I can't see a problem 'cause they have Dinah Drake on the show now and it is most likely the movie version will be Dinah Laurel Lance but I am unsure of the Huntress after they pulled Deathstroke.
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Post by dazz on Jan 22, 2018 17:34:33 GMT
Yeah I'm all for getting rid of Rene, though I disagree about the writers having should brought back Colton when he wanted to, when you think Colton is A: not a big star, B: not they good an actor, C: not that interesting a character in this show, also when you think it's the 2nd show in a few years he just kind of went meh I don't wanna do this anymore an left meaning even if they brought him back it's not like he has a track record of being a stable cast member to build around, had they had a different actor in the role then maybe but Colton doesn't bring anything to the table really so why bend over backwards to accommodate him? I would much rather have Ragman back he was the one new recruit I actually liked last season, he was both likeable as a character and in his portrayal, with how the character left they could work him back in but depower him a little so he's not such an obvious fix to a solution or you know introduce a new GA sidekick like Arrowette or they could use a new Artemis maybe, or like you said Huntress, I want another lady on the team myself as my fav team line up was GA, Speedy, BC & Spartan, so lets get rid of Wild Dog and add another kick butt chick for equal opportunity butt whooping. I think the problem was they never made Arsenal out to be as important as he was in the comic books and instead of having him as Oliver's friend they made him Thea's boyfriend and gave the role of Oliver's friend to Diggle. While I like Diggle I feel having the addition of Diggle and Felicity took a lot away from Arsenal and the Black Canary and if they had started the show off with Green Arrow and his sidekick, Speedy (Roy) with Black Canary coming to town it would have benefited those characters. I am not sure why Diggle and Felicity were added to the show in the first place when in the comic books Green Arrow and Speedy debuted at the same time and like Dick Grayson become Nightwing Roy Harper went on to become Arsnal and Mia Dearden become the second Speedy. I didn't know Colton walked out on another show but I can see why the writers would have been iffy about bringing him back now.
I totally agree with you about adding another female character to the team and I would love to see Arrowette and with her being in the new series of 'Young Justice' they might bring her to 'Arrow' next. With Thea no longer on the team they could use another archer too and it would be good to see Renee replaced. With the 'Birds of Prey' movie and if it goes through which I am staying positive that it does 'cause I have waited so long to see a proper live action TV adaption of the 'Birds of Prey' I am hoping they don't make it so 'Arrow' can't use the Black Canary and the Huntress anymore. With the Black Canary I can't see a problem 'cause they have Dinah Drake on the show now and it is most likely the movie version will be Dinah Laurel Lance but I am unsure of the Huntress after they pulled Deathstroke. I think Colton being cast is one of the reasons Arsenal was so underused because Colton is so limited as an actor imo, he doesn't have a lot a range so they basically stuck to what he could do, and I agree he was so wasted as a character but then I never expected much the moment I heard who they cast, but yeah he was on Teen Wolf before Arrow and when they rewrote the end of S2 to keep his character alive to keep him around he left, so they had an wasted end to the season, then he came to Arrow and did 2 seasons and didn't want to do more.
I'm with you on hoping WB stops fucking monkeying with who the show can and cant use, especially given the show whilst iffy at times with character usage actually does use the characters, where as WB in 5 years has barely produced 5 DC films but they have over 9000 films "in development" so unless they have a cast signed and a script greenlit I just hope they fuck off and let the shows do what they need to because good bad or meh atleast the shows are actually producing content unlike he movie studios at the moment.
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Post by BexxyJ on Jan 23, 2018 14:12:26 GMT
Some joyful reunion. Where the fuck was he? I didn't see him last week.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jan 23, 2018 20:06:52 GMT
Stephen Amell has more chemistry with Colton Haynes then ERB. Maybe they should make them a couple. And think! Olicity fans can't complain without looking like bigots. Win-win!
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Post by dazz on Jan 23, 2018 20:24:01 GMT
Stephen Amell has more chemistry with Colton Haynes then ERB. Maybe they should make them a couple. And think! Olicity fans can't complain without looking like bigots. Win-win! They complain incessantly whilst coming across like window licking fucktards who are merely superficial fans of a property, do you honestly think looking like bigots would matter to them?
I mean had Oliver ever shared a wink with Iris could you imagine the racial vitriol they would of been spouting? they would make a KKK Grand Wizard blush.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 11:50:32 GMT
I think Colton being cast is one of the reasons Arsenal was so underused because Colton is so limited as an actor imo, he doesn't have a lot a range so they basically stuck to what he could do, and I agree he was so wasted as a character but then I never expected much the moment I heard who they cast, but yeah he was on Teen Wolf before Arrow and when they rewrote the end of S2 to keep his character alive to keep him around he left, so they had an wasted end to the season, then he came to Arrow and did 2 seasons and didn't want to do more.
I'm with you on hoping WB stops fucking monkeying with who the show can and cant use, especially given the show whilst iffy at times with character usage actually does use the characters, where as WB in 5 years has barely produced 5 DC films but they have over 9000 films "in development" so unless they have a cast signed and a script greenlit I just hope they fuck off and let the shows do what they need to because good bad or meh atleast the shows are actually producing content unlike he movie studios at the moment.
I didn't watch 'Teen Wolf' or saw him in anything before 'Arrow' so I didn't know what to expect with him. The only actor I was really familiar with apart from Quinton's old partner who was played by Roger Cross from '24' and 'Continuum' was Katie Cassidy and when the show was first announced they made out Katie Cassidy was going to have a huge role in it and become the Black Canary but they really dropped the ball with Laurel in Season 3 when she become the Black Canary 'cause they made it that she basically had no life outside of being one of Oliver's sidekicks and they gave most of her screen time to Felicity. I think part of that was due to the vocal members of the 'Felicity Fandom' who seemed to hate Katie Cassidy from day one and wanted her off the show and it to focus all on Felicity and her relationship with Oliver and we saw how that went in Season 4.
Hopefully Warner Bros stops messing around with things and doesn't block any other characters from being used but even when their films are iffy and they don't know if they are going to go through with them or not they block characters from being used and that is one of the main reasons we had to wait so long to see Wonder Woman on screen again. 'Birds of Prey' looks set to go through now with Margot up for Best Actress at the Oscars and they mentioned 'Birds of Prey' as one of Margot's upcoming films on Studio 10 today and they have never mentioned any films that haven't gone through. With Margot up for Best Actress a number of sites are saying her films could be pushed forward 'cause they will want to capitalise on her success and her success could see her having a lot more say in the DCEU 'cause they will need her more than she will need them.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jan 26, 2018 12:18:27 GMT
Stephen Amell has more chemistry with Colton Haynes then ERB. Maybe they should make them a couple. And think! Olicity fans can't complain without looking like bigots. Win-win! They complain incessantly whilst coming across like window licking fucktards who are merely superficial fans of a property, do you honestly think looking like bigots would matter to them?
I mean had Oliver ever shared a wink with Iris could you imagine the racial vitriol they would of been spouting? they would make a KKK Grand Wizard blush.
Yeah, now that you mention it, I think you're right. They have done some really horrible things in the past,why would they stop with bigotry? They are horrible people and I am just gobsmacked the CW would want to associate themselves with such horrendous pseudo-fans. All it's done is feed into this sense of entitlement from the Felicity fans, who think they have a right to destroy anyone who they think gets in their way of Oliver's ship. Not stopping with hating characters, but hating the actors to, and even Amell's wife. They are a narrow minded, hateful bunch who have done more harmed then good for this show. I was wrong to think their is a shred of decency in them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 6:41:41 GMT
They complain incessantly whilst coming across like window licking fucktards who are merely superficial fans of a property, do you honestly think looking like bigots would matter to them?
I mean had Oliver ever shared a wink with Iris could you imagine the racial vitriol they would of been spouting? they would make a KKK Grand Wizard blush.
All it's done is feed into this sense of entitlement from the Felicity fans, who think they have a right to destroy anyone who they think gets in their way of Oliver's ship. Not stopping with hating characters, but hating the actors to, and even Amell's wife. Ohh. The issues that Olicity fans have with Stephen Amell's Wife, Cassandra Jean goes WAY beyond just being an 'Olicity' fan and is boderline demented. I saw a number of the posts they wrote about her on their Tumbler fan pages when they were cutting her out of family photos and replacing her head with Emily's and they were calling her a horrible Wife and Mother and saying how she always wanted to hog the spotlight and was bad for Stephen. Unless they actually know her personally and have had bad experiences with her what they wrote just sounded insane. What is wrong with them?
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Post by dazz on Jan 29, 2018 6:52:13 GMT
All it's done is feed into this sense of entitlement from the Felicity fans, who think they have a right to destroy anyone who they think gets in their way of Oliver's ship. Not stopping with hating characters, but hating the actors to, and even Amell's wife. Ohh. The issues that Olicity fans have with Stephen Amell's Wife, Cassandra Jean goes WAY beyond just being an 'Olicity' fan and is boderline demented. I saw a number of the posts they wrote about her on their Tumbler fan pages when they were cutting her out of family photos and replacing her head with Emily's and they were calling her a horrible Wife and Mother and saying how she always wanted to hog the spotlight and was bad for Stephen. Unless they actually know her personally and have had bad experiences with her what they wrote just sounded insane. What is wrong with them? It also shows how their not real fans of anything except a self created concept, SA saw those sort of pics being posted years ago and was disturbed by them asked that people please do not use his personal family photos in that way and such but they just carried on, and the show being run by such a braintrust figured that the emotionally unstable pocket of their fanbase is the one to play too for years...fucking knuckleheads.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jan 31, 2018 15:03:58 GMT
Yeah the show runners are completely mental for listening to these people. There is a reason why most creators don't pay attention to the loudest voices in their fandoms. For one thing it kills creativity because you're writing to please a certain demographic instead of telling the stories you want. Also you run the risk of alienating other viewers of the show. because the loudest voice is usually in the minority, and what they want goes against what the majority wants. Upset them enough you chase them away and rating begin to drop.
The Arrow writers seem to be enamored of the devotion they've gotten from Olicity fans and have let it blind them, to harsh realities.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jan 31, 2018 15:04:56 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 12:05:34 GMT
Yeah. I agree with both of you. I think the writers of shows should listen to fans to a certain extent 'cause if your show is garbage and everybody is saying it is the chances are it is going to get cancelled unless you make changes and sometimes fans can come up with good ideas but when it comes to extreme lunatics like the Olicity fans who wanted to minus all the action out of a superhero show and were only interested in a side character and her relationship they should ignore them. I think listening to Olicity fans and Katie Cassidy haters was one of the things that ruined the Black Canary the first time round and lead to Laurel being killed off. The Katie Cassidy haters had problems with her from day one and I think some of them took to Felicity just 'cause she wasn't being played by Katie Cassidy and they didn't want Oliver with Laurel. I heard Olicity was also considered pay back for Clark not ending up with Chloe at the end of 'Smallville' which sounds crazy.
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Post by dazz on Feb 3, 2018 12:54:18 GMT
Yeah. I agree with both of you. I think the writers of shows should listen to fans to a certain extent 'cause if your show is garbage and everybody is saying it is the chances are it is going to get cancelled unless you make changes and sometimes fans can come up with good ideas but when it comes to extreme lunatics like the Olicity fans who wanted to minus all the action out of a superhero show and were only interested in a side character and her relationship they should ignore them. I think listening to Olicity fans and Katie Cassidy haters was one of the things that ruined the Black Canary the first time round and lead to Laurel being killed off. The Katie Cassidy haters had problems with her from day one and I think some of them took to Felicity just 'cause she wasn't being played by Katie Cassidy and they didn't want Oliver with Laurel. I heard Olicity was also considered pay back for Clark not ending up with Chloe at the end of 'Smallville' which sounds crazy. Taking the action out of superhero shows can be fine so long as that's the nature of the show, Lois & Clark by todays standard has no action in it a lot of the time, it's more about the characters interaction, so if they set up a GA show with that premise I wouldn't mind, but people wanting to turn an action show into a romantic dramedy is stupid.
If they wanted to pander to Felicity fans they could have and should have done so in a way to properly gage the fandom size, give Felicity or Olicity the web mini-series treatment let that be 5 minute rom-com's that air on the CW site and see just how many people watch it, because part of the problem is they assumed the most active group on social media = the largest subsection of the fans but they aren't necessarily, then if the audience was big enough they could incorporate more into the show, as a Supernatural fan I can say that show can bounce between series and silly and it doesn't devalue the show imo, Arrow could have done this and maybe that would have helped it if they left the stupid Olicity subplots and pandering to VOTW episodes where they could add more levity instead of forcing it into every episode for 3 seasons straight regardless of what was actually going on in the show.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 12:41:41 GMT
Yeah. I agree with both of you. I think the writers of shows should listen to fans to a certain extent 'cause if your show is garbage and everybody is saying it is the chances are it is going to get cancelled unless you make changes and sometimes fans can come up with good ideas but when it comes to extreme lunatics like the Olicity fans who wanted to minus all the action out of a superhero show and were only interested in a side character and her relationship they should ignore them. I think listening to Olicity fans and Katie Cassidy haters was one of the things that ruined the Black Canary the first time round and lead to Laurel being killed off. The Katie Cassidy haters had problems with her from day one and I think some of them took to Felicity just 'cause she wasn't being played by Katie Cassidy and they didn't want Oliver with Laurel. I heard Olicity was also considered pay back for Clark not ending up with Chloe at the end of 'Smallville' which sounds crazy. Taking the action out of superhero shows can be fine so long as that's the nature of the show, Lois & Clark by todays standard has no action in it a lot of the time, it's more about the characters interaction, so if they set up a GA show with that premise I wouldn't mind, but people wanting to turn an action show into a romantic dramedy is stupid.
If they wanted to pander to Felicity fans they could have and should have done so in a way to properly gage the fandom size, give Felicity or Olicity the web mini-series treatment let that be 5 minute rom-com's that air on the CW site and see just how many people watch it, because part of the problem is they assumed the most active group on social media = the largest subsection of the fans but they aren't necessarily, then if the audience was big enough they could incorporate more into the show, as a Supernatural fan I can say that show can bounce between series and silly and it doesn't devalue the show imo, Arrow could have done this and maybe that would have helped it if they left the stupid Olicity subplots and pandering to VOTW episodes where they could add more levity instead of forcing it into every episode for 3 seasons straight regardless of what was actually going on in the show.
I think the main problem with Olicity fans and 'Arrow' was a lot of them were not comic book fans or superhero fans and were really CW Network fans which is a network that has had some Action/ Superhero types of shows on it but it has mostly known for its dramas like 'One Tree Hill', 'Hart of Dixie', 'Gossip Girl', 'The Gilmore Girls', '90210' etc which all focused heavily on their relationships so when 'Arrow' came along they wanted the show to be just like them and it wasn't. The amount of complaints I remember seeing about how violent 'Arrow' was in its early years and how they needed to tone done the violence from them makes me believe they didn't watch any Action type of shows before it and they truly believed by taking the violence out of 'Arrow' and putting Oliver and Felicity's relationship at the front and centre of the show it was maturing. I also think some of them just wanted to spite comic book fans like one member who would often call comic books outdated fossils.
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Post by dazz on Feb 6, 2018 15:08:45 GMT
Taking the action out of superhero shows can be fine so long as that's the nature of the show, Lois & Clark by todays standard has no action in it a lot of the time, it's more about the characters interaction, so if they set up a GA show with that premise I wouldn't mind, but people wanting to turn an action show into a romantic dramedy is stupid.
If they wanted to pander to Felicity fans they could have and should have done so in a way to properly gage the fandom size, give Felicity or Olicity the web mini-series treatment let that be 5 minute rom-com's that air on the CW site and see just how many people watch it, because part of the problem is they assumed the most active group on social media = the largest subsection of the fans but they aren't necessarily, then if the audience was big enough they could incorporate more into the show, as a Supernatural fan I can say that show can bounce between series and silly and it doesn't devalue the show imo, Arrow could have done this and maybe that would have helped it if they left the stupid Olicity subplots and pandering to VOTW episodes where they could add more levity instead of forcing it into every episode for 3 seasons straight regardless of what was actually going on in the show.
I think the main problem with Olicity fans and 'Arrow' was a lot of them were not comic book fans or superhero fans and were really CW Network fans which is a network that has had some Action/ Superhero types of shows on it but it has mostly known for its dramas like 'One Tree Hill', 'Hart of Dixie', 'Gossip Girl', 'The Gilmore Girls', '90210' etc which all focused heavily on their relationships so when 'Arrow' came along they wanted the show to be just like them and it wasn't. The amount of complaints I remember seeing about how violent 'Arrow' was in its early years and how they needed to tone done the violence from them makes me believe they didn't watch any Action type of shows before it and they truly believed by taking the violence out of 'Arrow' and putting Oliver and Felicity's relationship at the front and centre of the show it was maturing. I also think some of them just wanted to spite comic book fans like one member who would often call comic books outdated fossils. If that was the case they wouldn't have been so opposed to KC as the female lead, she's not a world class actress but compared to EBR in anything other than comedic delivery she's Oscar worthy, plus the whole their relationship is so much drama thing wouldn't be an issue because CW relationships are nothing but drama, the Oliver cheated on her with her sister they can never be together again argument goes out the window when you think about all times those same or near same plot elements pop up but then no one cares, TVD had the female lead go from boning one brother to the next in a matter of episodes, OTH had the estranged brothers end up with each others ex/best friend almost sister, on TO people ship Elijah & Hayley like made despite her having a kid with his brother and them falling for each other whilst she carried said kid.
Why some glom onto Felicity is beyond me, she was a good character for 2 seasons when she was handled how she was written but then for the last 4 she's been put on a pedestal and becoming varying levels of more bitchy, even the relationship makes no sense by typical CW logic, CW logic holds that you sacrifice everything for your otl but Oliver has shown more willingness to sacrifice that love to save others, he'll die for Felicity but then he'll die for almost anyone so even by CW standards the "love" between them is weak as piss, add to that he relationships is toxic and all we ever actually get is others saying how great they are together but never seeing it makes me wonder what the fuck is the point?
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