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Post by gadreel on Jan 23, 2018 20:02:32 GMT
I picture more a dystopian post-apocalyptic forum scenario - only they are left, him posting yewtewb links into the void, her responding to each with a random jpeg link and all-caps non-sequitur. God I hope not, I will be here for a while yet, it turns out there are some thoughtful posters on here.
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Post by goz on Jan 23, 2018 20:10:26 GMT
I don't think separate boards or threads works, often I find I learn more about how I think when challenged by someone who fundamentally disagrees with me. I respect people who are willing to put their emotionally valuable beliefs on the line to be rationally interrogated by those who don't agree. Erjen would cite this as an example of atheists bullying the theists off the forum; and indeed there is a marked dearth of theists, considering that this is a forum for discussing religion. That I believe to be the case because, unlike you, most theists are afraid of allowing their beliefs to undergo rigorous scrutiny; and even when the tone of the discussion is civil, this is perceived as hectoring and bullying in nature by the theist. Well said Mic. Further, a forum like this is very difficult for religious people, because the very nature of their arguments substantially depends on 'faith and belief' over rationality and logic. It takes an intelligent and articulate Christian to be able to put their beliefs cogently and with dignity and sense and those posters are gems beyond price. I hope you know who I think you are. The others, of a more fundamentalist or bigoted persuasion often result in posting stupid videos, outrageous propositions and insults whilst moaning about the very posters who wipe the floor with them. It is a shame that there are not more of the former and less of the latter.
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Post by goz on Jan 23, 2018 20:27:20 GMT
If I remember correctly... and the opposite is a possibility. DT wasn't big on the whole doxing thing.. That was more of that Ben Caesar guy's MO. Good possibility I'm mixing them up. I really tried to stay out of/away from that whole mess. Some really nasty heavy duty stuff happened on that Board (IMHO one of the main reasons that it was closed due to legal ramifications) There were too many instances where Board feuds spilled over into real life. Unfortunately it gave a venue for narcissistic psychopaths and sociopaths. I was there since 2002 and watched much of this, barely getting involved, though I personally had a few nasty incidents though I am not stupid enough to get my real name and details out there. AyeLewis started out as a decent fellow living in Queensland and either went bad or had is complete account and persona taken over by someone else, and that dude Ben Caesar and several others were as I described above. I hope none of them have come here. Molar /Maya I count in that category as well.
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Post by goz on Jan 23, 2018 20:33:32 GMT
I respect people who are willing to put their emotionally valuable beliefs on the line to be rationally interrogated by those who don't agree. Erjen would cite this as an example of atheists bullying the theists off the forum; and indeed there is a marked dearth of theists, considering that this is a forum for discussing religion. That I believe to be the case because, unlike you, most theists are afraid of allowing their beliefs to undergo rigorous scrutiny; and even when the tone of the discussion is civil, this is perceived as hectoring and bullying in nature by the theist. I don't suppose it means a lot to you given our previous posting history, but you just went up in my eyes. That was a thoughtful and rational response and I appreciate it. Given the warning I just received I am rethinking just how much effort I put in to the likes of Erjen and Maya, they are not worth any time and with any luck they will get ignored enough that they just drift away. Actually fuck it, I am going to use the ignore feature, I have never done so, but given the heavy handed response I received from the largely absent admin I figure those two are not worth even knowing that they exist. I, too, have had a warning on account of those two, and it seems that they are squeaky wheels in admin's ear claiming persecution and resorting to heavy use of the report button in the absence of anything useful to say.
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Post by gadreel on Jan 23, 2018 21:08:08 GMT
I don't suppose it means a lot to you given our previous posting history, but you just went up in my eyes. That was a thoughtful and rational response and I appreciate it. Given the warning I just received I am rethinking just how much effort I put in to the likes of Erjen and Maya, they are not worth any time and with any luck they will get ignored enough that they just drift away. Actually fuck it, I am going to use the ignore feature, I have never done so, but given the heavy handed response I received from the largely absent admin I figure those two are not worth even knowing that they exist. I, to, have had a warning on account of those two, and it seems that they are squeaky wheels in admin's ear claiming persecution and resorting to heavy use of the report button in the absence of anything useful to say. then respond back to admin, I questioned why I was dragged up when maya is constantly insulting me. I think admin responds to incidents but is not involved enough to understand trends.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2018 21:45:11 GMT
Everybody relax, I'm here to help. I am more than willing to rehash the same debates you've all had a million times already. I am more than willing to rigidly refuse to change my opinion and eager to watch you stubbornly cling to yours. I look forward to several misunderstandings, dozens of half-quote responses and long-winded discussions in which we finally conclude to agree to disagree. I hope you'll find this interaction equally-disappointing. But I do like to drink, so....
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Post by goz on Jan 23, 2018 22:29:56 GMT
I, to, have had a warning on account of those two, and it seems that they are squeaky wheels in admin's ear claiming persecution and resorting to heavy use of the report button in the absence of anything useful to say. then respond back to admin, I questioned why I was dragged up when maya is constantly insulting me. I think admin responds to incidents but is not involved enough to understand trends. I did. I agree about this hence I called them the squeaky wheels. It would be helpful if we had a system here, like the old board where excessive use of the report button was also a misdemeanour.
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Post by gadreel on Jan 23, 2018 22:31:25 GMT
then respond back to admin, I questioned why I was dragged up when maya is constantly insulting me. I think admin responds to incidents but is not involved enough to understand trends. I did. I agree about this hence I called them the squeaky wheels. It would be helpful if we had a system here, like the old board where excessive use of the report button was also a misdemeanour. It would be even better to have an admin that actually read and was a part of the board, so they would know what is the history behind an incident.
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Post by Marv on Jan 23, 2018 23:08:26 GMT
I did. I agree about this hence I called them the squeaky wheels. It would be helpful if we had a system here, like the old board where excessive use of the report button was also a misdemeanour. It would be even better to have an admin that actually read and was a part of the board, so they would know what is the history behind an incident. Admin has been more involved here than any of the admins on old IMDb ever were.
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Post by gadreel on Jan 23, 2018 23:58:04 GMT
It would be even better to have an admin that actually read and was a part of the board, so they would know what is the history behind an incident. Admin has been more involved here than any of the admins on old IMDb ever were. That may be true, but clearly not involved enough, unless you think in the context my statement to maya was overly insulting?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 0:45:58 GMT
I respect people who are willing to put their emotionally valuable beliefs on the line to be rationally interrogated by those who don't agree. Erjen would cite this as an example of atheists bullying the theists off the forum; and indeed there is a marked dearth of theists, considering that this is a forum for discussing religion. That I believe to be the case because, unlike you, most theists are afraid of allowing their beliefs to undergo rigorous scrutiny; and even when the tone of the discussion is civil, this is perceived as hectoring and bullying in nature by the theist. I don't suppose it means a lot to you given our previous posting history, but you just went up in my eyes. That was a thoughtful and rational response and I appreciate it. Given the warning I just received I am rethinking just how much effort I put in to the likes of Erjen and Maya, they are not worth any time and with any luck they will get ignored enough that they just drift away. Actually fuck it, I am going to use the ignore feature, I have never done so, but given the heavy handed response I received from the largely absent admin I figure those two are not worth even knowing that they exist. Thanks for your response, and I'm glad that I went up in your estimation. And I didn't have anything personal against you, even though we disagree on most topics.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 0:51:18 GMT
I respect people who are willing to put their emotionally valuable beliefs on the line to be rationally interrogated by those who don't agree. Erjen would cite this as an example of atheists bullying the theists off the forum; and indeed there is a marked dearth of theists, considering that this is a forum for discussing religion. That I believe to be the case because, unlike you, most theists are afraid of allowing their beliefs to undergo rigorous scrutiny; and even when the tone of the discussion is civil, this is perceived as hectoring and bullying in nature by the theist. There is no "rational" interrogation here, nor is there any reason for there to be. Leave my emotionally valuable beliefs alone, and I'll leave yours alone. I don't have any beliefs which are emotionally important to me any more; but I used to have them and did not like having them threatened. Nowadays I have certain beliefs and opinions that I'm extremely confident about, and am willing to put them out there for anyone to try and pick holes in them. Some of my opinions I would now consider to be bulletproof, having undergone rigorous interrogation (free will and antinatalism are 2); and there's other beliefs that I am less certain of, and I'm willing to be challenged on these points and adapt my opinion accordingly.
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Post by Sulla on Jan 24, 2018 1:26:50 GMT
I actually don't know - I never (literally never) interacted with that account or those dudes and didn't really pay attention to what their posts actually contained beyond the first few encounters. I didn't interact with them either, but I seemed to recall people complaining about it. I know I'm late to this discussion but here's a more detailed account. I don't know if it counts as doxxing, but DT and his gang attempted to harass people in their real lives which could be worse. Around 2010, another longtime regular named worov told me about a message board he had been on which was occupied and disrupted by a troll group led by someone named Aye Lewis. I didn't take it seriously because I had never seen anything like that happen and I didn't think they would ever show up on the IMDb. When I later googled "Aye Lewis", I found other websites where people talked about how Lewis' group had destroyed their community. Apparently this is their hobby. I'm not sure such a person actually exists. I suspect the name is used by several of them to help create an internet legend. Around 2012 a poster appeared named 'He_Cant...'. He used variations of the name but it always began with 'He_Cant' That was his trademark. He seemed like just another poster. I later learned he was part of the Lewis group. He may have been an advance scout for what they were planning to do. Later I learned that just before the trouble began, DT (DiscerninglyTasteful) had contacted Twinkwrangler (a longtime demi-troll regular) and asked if he wanted to join them in "taking over the board". They even gave him an extra account and password. Twink never played well with others and declined the offer. They started spamming the board in 2013. Among other things they attempted to stir up old feuds between regular posters, encouraged new feuds and started rigged polls. Many of the voters in those polls had never before been seen on the board. It was pointless to vote because if they didn't like the results, they would delete the thread and start another identical poll. After getting a couple of accounts wiped, they were even bold enough to start a thread asking who they should target next. We had seen troll attacks before and weathered them well enough. But what was different this time was they seemed to have the uncanny ability to have threads deleted and accounts wiped at will. Many of us grew to believe that an IMDb admin was among them or at least sympathetic to their goal. By this time the IMDb had turned over responsibility for handling abuse reports to GetSatisfaction.com. It seemed too suspicious that there was an admin there who refused to act on any complaints against members of the Lewis group. They first targeted ChucklesOToole and thefleetsin. Chuckles was a particularly rude and aggressive atheist and I suppose they didn't like fleets' poetry. Somehow the trolls discovered the Facebook pages of each poster. Chuckles taught music and made the mistake of putting his phone number on his FB page. They discovered fleets' place of employment and threatened to contact his boss and accuse him of attacking Christians, etc. Successful or not, these activities were what most unnerved many in the community. Chuckles acquired a board on another website and offered it as a refuge from the trolls. Many of us took him up on the offer. It was supposed to be temporary, but for many it ended up being permanent. I'm the one who discovered the manlymovies forum which was their current little clubhouse. At that time it was open to the public but not for long. Before it went private I learned some things about the Lewis group from reading all the threads. There were about a dozen of them and they referred to themselves as "The Platoon". Many of the names there were nearly identical to their IMDb names. In one thread they were laughing it up and waxing nostalgic about all the communities they had wrecked in the past few years. That's where I learned that He_Cant was one of them. One of their advantages was they had access to a nearly unlimited supply of phone SIM cards. If the IMDB wiped out one of their accounts, they just used a new SIM card to create a new account. That's why the IMDb could never get rid of them. I view that chapter as the most significant change in a community history which goes back to 2003. It's just still astounding that anyone would devote so much time and effort into trolling and attacking individuals and random communities.
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Post by Marv on Jan 24, 2018 1:48:44 GMT
SullaMakes me wonder, did Chuck think I was in league with them? I know he doesn’t now, or at least I’d assume so...but back when he kicked me out I wonder if he thought I was part of the DT Platoon or whatevs. History. Isn’t it speculative. ::smoke1::
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Post by Sulla on Jan 24, 2018 1:53:19 GMT
Sulla Makes me wonder, did Chuck think I was in league with them? I know he doesn’t now, or at least I’d assume so...but back when he kicked me out I wonder if he thought I was part of the DT Platoon or whatevs. History. Isn’t it speculative. As far as I know, I don't think he believed you were part of the Aye Lewis group, but he was paranoid. So when he started pushing against you, I knew you were going to push back. That's what you do.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 24, 2018 4:22:43 GMT
I didn't interact with them either, but I seemed to recall people complaining about it. I know I'm late to this discussion but here's a more detailed account. I don't know if it counts as doxxing, but DT and his gang attempted to harass people in their real lives which could be worse. Around 2010, another longtime regular named worov told me about a message board he had been on which was occupied and disrupted by a troll group led by someone named Aye Lewis. I didn't take it seriously because I had never seen anything like that happen and I didn't think they would ever show up on the IMDb. When I later googled "Aye Lewis", I found other websites where people talked about how Lewis' group had destroyed their community. Apparently this is their hobby. I'm not sure such a person actually exists. I suspect the name is used by several of them to help create an internet legend. Around 2012 a poster appeared named 'He_Cant...'. He used variations of the name but it always began with 'He_Cant' That was his trademark. He seemed like just another poster. I later learned he was part of the Lewis group. He may have been an advance scout for what they were planning to do. Later I learned that just before the trouble began, DT (DiscerninglyTasteful) had contacted Twinkwrangler (a longtime demi-troll regular) and asked if he wanted to join them in "taking over the board". They even gave him an extra account and password. Twink never played well with others and declined the offer. They started spamming the board in 2013. Among other things they attempted to stir up old feuds between regular posters, encouraged new feuds and started rigged polls. Many of the voters in those polls had never before been seen on the board. It was pointless to vote because if they didn't like the results, they would delete the thread and start another identical poll. After getting a couple of accounts wiped, they were even bold enough to start a thread asking who they should target next. We had seen troll attacks before and weathered them well enough. But what was different this time was they seemed to have the uncanny ability to have threads deleted and accounts wiped at will. Many of us grew to believe that an IMDb admin was among them or at least sympathetic to their goal. By this time the IMDb had turned over responsibility for handling abuse reports to GetSatisfaction.com. It seemed too suspicious that there was an admin there who refused to act on any complaints against members of the Lewis group. They first targeted ChucklesOToole and thefleetsin. Chuckles was a particularly rude and aggressive atheist and I suppose they didn't like fleets' poetry. Somehow the trolls discovered the Facebook pages of each poster. Chuckles taught music and made the mistake of putting his phone number on his FB page. They discovered fleets' place of employment and threatened to contact his boss and accuse him of attacking Christians, etc. Successful or not, these activities were what most unnerved many in the community. Chuckles acquired a board on another website and offered it as a refuge from the trolls. Many of us took him up on the offer. It was supposed to be temporary, but for many it ended up being permanent. I'm the one who discovered the manlymovies forum which was their current little clubhouse. At that time it was open to the public but not for long. Before it went private I learned some things about the Lewis group from reading all the threads. There were about a dozen of them and they referred to themselves as "The Platoon". Many of the names there were nearly identical to their IMDb names. In one thread they were laughing it up and waxing nostalgic about all the communities they had wrecked in the past few years. That's where I learned that He_Cant was one of them. One of their advantages was they had access to a nearly unlimited supply of phone SIM cards. If the IMDB wiped out one of their accounts, they just used a new SIM card to create a new account. That's why the IMDb could never get rid of them. I view that chapter as the most significant change in a community history which goes back to 2003. It's just still astounding that anyone would devote so much time and effort into trolling and attacking individuals and random communities. Wow, thanks for the detailed history. It was probably the real-life targeting of Chuckles and fleet that I was thinking about rather than doxxing. Makes me thankful I managed to stay off their radar. It is indeed astounding what some will devote their time and energy to... just Joker types that want to watch the world burn.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Jan 24, 2018 6:36:43 GMT
Yeah, I already responded to him - interesting that he was the first one to respond, and with an attack. Funny how you and I get along just fine, theist and atheist. Perhaps because we discuss, not attack. No, you started with an attack: If hatred and insults are all you bring to the discussion, then you need to be banned. ________________________________________________________________________ So, let me get this straight, you think this statement... "I always thought that if humans could deal with the reality of existence without the crutch and divisiveness of religion, humanity might have a chance to advance to a higher quality of life." ...is an attack? _______________________________________________________________________ And you also think that... If hatred and insults are all I bring to the discussion, then I need to be banned. Is that correct? _______________________________________________________________________ I do believe that could be perceived as a threat. Are you threatening me?
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Jan 24, 2018 6:49:18 GMT
You're not here for discussion, either. Your behavior proves it. That's your opinion, and you're welcome to it. I also don't care how many names you call Donald Trump. But this..... .......is offensive and unnecessary. The blurb that goes with this board asks people to be tolerant and respectful of those with different beliefs, and I have been. I've never condemned anyone for being an atheist or told anyone that atheism was stupid or blamed all of the world's ills on atheism. You, on the other hand, have not been tolerant and respectful, and your behavior proves it. And after all this time, I'd still like to see it stopped, and I'm going to do everything within my ability to get it stopped. And if some don't like it because all the "fun" has gone out of the board, then good. There are plenty of other places on the Internet where you can post your hateful garbage. You don't need to bring it here. So, are you going to report me? Yet another threat?
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Jan 24, 2018 6:54:59 GMT
Sulla Makes me wonder, did Chuck think I was in league with them? I know he doesn’t now, or at least I’d assume so...but back when he kicked me out I wonder if he thought I was part of the DT Platoon or whatevs. History. Isn’t it speculative. As far as I know, I don't think he believed you were part of the Aye Lewis group, but he was paranoid. So when he started pushing against you, I knew you were going to push back. That's what you do. Hey, Sulla, it sure is good to see you here again, if only briefly. Your sage wisdom and witty commentary are sorely missed!
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 24, 2018 8:59:44 GMT
There is no "rational" interrogation here, nor is there any reason for there to be. Leave my emotionally valuable beliefs alone, and I'll leave yours alone. I don't have any beliefs which are emotionally important to me any more; but I used to have them and did not like having them threatened. Nowadays I have certain beliefs and opinions that I'm extremely confident about, and am willing to put them out there for anyone to try and pick holes in them. Some of my opinions I would now consider to be bulletproof, having undergone rigorous interrogation (free will and antinatalism are 2); and there's other beliefs that I am less certain of, and I'm willing to be challenged on these points and adapt my opinion accordingly. Okay. Hopefully you won't mind if I ask you something now. Recently you said something about being made to exist without giving your permission. Need I point out the conundrum involved with that?
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