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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Feb 7, 2018 16:25:08 GMT
I'm a decent card player, but no where near good enough to make a living at it. I remember, though, back in college and right after college when the WSOP was blowing up tvs everywhere and everyone wanted to play poker, I spent many a weekend grinding it out for $200 a night. There were a couple years there where I paid for a lot of tuition, pizza and beer with my consistent, meager winnings. And then after a while, every Tom, Dick and Harry who had seen Rounders and had dreams of huge rakes stopped showing up at the casinos. I can slowly and consistently take money off dum dums, but when half the table knows how to play, well, the game became too up and down for me and I had to relegate it to a form of entertainment again instead of an actual, reliable source of income. My serious playing also started when the Moneymaker boom happened (I was 18 at the time). I had played poker my entire life but never seriously. I think I had always had a pretty good intuition for the game as far as being more strategic about odds and playing your opponent, but after I (quickly) lost my first $50 playing online I got seriously into learning about the game: bought multiple books, read them over and over, got involved with the online community discussing strategy and hands. So in the early days of the boom I pretty quickly advanced far beyond all of the casual players flooding into the game, so much that I was making way too much at the time to really consider doing anything else. In those days it wasn't uncommon to sit at a table where there was only like one other semi-good player. After the boom died down and most of the fish left my winrate definitely took a hit, but by that point I was already playing high enough levels ($1/$2 and $2/$4 online) that I was still making more than a decent living, even though the game had gotten much tougher and I was experiencing more variance (which is what happens when your "edge" dissipates). However, I was still keeping up with the game and taking in some of the newer, more advanced strategies to take advantage of tough regs who, despite their competency, can still be counted on to make certain exploitable mistakes. I also worked hard to really develop a general strategy that was close to "game theory optimal" in order to make my own play nearly impossible to exploit, so the only time I'd deviate from it would be to take advantage of other players' mistakes. It certainly made the game more challenging, especially playing online with a "shot clock" every hand, but I can't imagine a better alternative given the money I was still making. These days, I actually go months at a time without playing. I live frugally (save for a few "passions" in which I indulge; anyone looking at my audio system would think me insane) and could easily live off my poker savings for years if I had to (barring any catastrophic money-guzzling accidents), so I only play to keep in practice and to earn some extra spending money if there's something expensive I want. Poker went from being a passion in itself to really just a grind-it-out job that allows me to indulge in what are my lasting passions--mostly music, movies, and literature.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 16:35:26 GMT
I'm a decent card player, but no where near good enough to make a living at it. I remember, though, back in college and right after college when the WSOP was blowing up tvs everywhere and everyone wanted to play poker, I spent many a weekend grinding it out for $200 a night. There were a couple years there where I paid for a lot of tuition, pizza and beer with my consistent, meager winnings. And then after a while, every Tom, Dick and Harry who had seen Rounders and had dreams of huge rakes stopped showing up at the casinos. I can slowly and consistently take money off dum dums, but when half the table knows how to play, well, the game became too up and down for me and I had to relegate it to a form of entertainment again instead of an actual, reliable source of income. My serious playing also started when the Moneymaker boom happened (I was 18 at the time). I had played poker my entire life but never seriously. I think I had always had a pretty good intuition for the game as far as being more strategic about odds and playing your opponent, but after I (quickly) lost my first $50 playing online I got seriously into learning about the game: bought multiple books, read them over and over, got involved with the online community discussing strategy and hands. So in the early days of the boom I pretty quickly advanced far beyond all of the casual players flooding into the game, so much that I was making way too much at the time to really consider doing anything else. In those days it wasn't uncommon to sit at a table where there was only like one other semi-good player. After the boom died down and most of the fish left my winrate definitely took a hit, but by that point I was already playing high enough levels ($1/$2 and $2/$4 online) that I was still making more than a decent living, even though the game had gotten much tougher and I was experiencing more variance (which is what happens when your "edge" dissipates). However, I was still keeping up with the game and taking in some of the newer, more advanced strategies to take advantage of tough regs who, despite their competency, can still be counted on to make certain exploitable mistakes. I also worked hard to really develop a general strategy that was close to "game theory optimal" in order to make my own play nearly impossible to exploit, so the only time I'd deviate from it would be to take advantage of other players' mistakes. It certainly made the game more challenging, especially playing online with a "shot clock" every hand, but I can't imagine a better alternative given the money I was still making. These days, I actually go months at a time without playing. I live frugally (save for a few "passions" in which I indulge; anyone looking at my audio system would think me insane) and could easily live off my poker savings for years if I had to (barring any catastrophic money-guzzling accidents), so I only play to keep in practice and to earn some extra spending money if there's something expensive I want. Poker went from being a passion in itself to really just a grind-it-out job that allows me to indulge in what are my lasting passions--mostly music, movies, and literature. We share the same passions it seems. To the three you mentioned, I would only add gambling itself, sports consumption and hiking to the list. While I rate poker (specifically Hold 'em) at the top of the gambling charts, I love all the non-weird casino games. Like, I won't touch a Carribean Stud or 3 Card Poker table, but roulette, craps, sports gambling, slots....I'm in. Blackjack reluctantly and as more of a social thing, but I'll still sit. Do you go to Vegas? Hey, people like you who can responsibly earn money gambling (without ever having that floor-drops-out-wife-leaving-you-kids-college-money-spent moment), I say: go on with your bad self!
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Feb 7, 2018 16:46:20 GMT
My serious playing also started when the Moneymaker boom happened (I was 18 at the time). I had played poker my entire life but never seriously. I think I had always had a pretty good intuition for the game as far as being more strategic about odds and playing your opponent, but after I (quickly) lost my first $50 playing online I got seriously into learning about the game: bought multiple books, read them over and over, got involved with the online community discussing strategy and hands. So in the early days of the boom I pretty quickly advanced far beyond all of the casual players flooding into the game, so much that I was making way too much at the time to really consider doing anything else. In those days it wasn't uncommon to sit at a table where there was only like one other semi-good player. After the boom died down and most of the fish left my winrate definitely took a hit, but by that point I was already playing high enough levels ($1/$2 and $2/$4 online) that I was still making more than a decent living, even though the game had gotten much tougher and I was experiencing more variance (which is what happens when your "edge" dissipates). However, I was still keeping up with the game and taking in some of the newer, more advanced strategies to take advantage of tough regs who, despite their competency, can still be counted on to make certain exploitable mistakes. I also worked hard to really develop a general strategy that was close to "game theory optimal" in order to make my own play nearly impossible to exploit, so the only time I'd deviate from it would be to take advantage of other players' mistakes. It certainly made the game more challenging, especially playing online with a "shot clock" every hand, but I can't imagine a better alternative given the money I was still making. These days, I actually go months at a time without playing. I live frugally (save for a few "passions" in which I indulge; anyone looking at my audio system would think me insane) and could easily live off my poker savings for years if I had to (barring any catastrophic money-guzzling accidents), so I only play to keep in practice and to earn some extra spending money if there's something expensive I want. Poker went from being a passion in itself to really just a grind-it-out job that allows me to indulge in what are my lasting passions--mostly music, movies, and literature. We share the same passions it seems. To the three you mentioned, I would only add gambling itself, sports consumption and hiking to the list. While I rate poker (specifically Hold 'em) at the top of the gambling charts, I love all the non-weird casino games. Like, I won't touch a Carribean Stud or 3 Card Poker table, but roulette, craps, sports gambling, slots....I'm in. Blackjack reluctantly and as more of a social thing, but I'll still sit. Do you go to Vegas? Hey, people like you who can responsibly earn money gambling (without ever having that floor-drops-out-wife-leaving-you-kids-college-money-spent moment), I say: go on with your bad self! I've never been interested in gambling but I've loved games since I was a kid: the more strategy involved, the better. I was also seriously into chess when I was 12-13 and was too good for everyone I played at my school so I took to playing with adults at the local community college. My interested in it eventually waned though. Poker was similar in that my passion eventually waned too, but I stuck with it as a purely money making endeavor. I'm picky about what I consider a passion: there's a lot of things I enjoy (including sports and healthy living), but few that I really pour my heart and soul into. Music, film, and literature are simply the three that I've stuck with for pretty much my entire life, and I've spent more time with them in some form (listening/watching/reading, studying, writing, playing, etc.) than probably anything else. I haven't been to Vegas, sadly, but I generally prefer playing online anyway. If I play live I want to make sure it's with friends and it's more of a friendly hang-out thing. Haha, thanks!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 16:59:52 GMT
We share the same passions it seems. To the three you mentioned, I would only add gambling itself, sports consumption and hiking to the list. While I rate poker (specifically Hold 'em) at the top of the gambling charts, I love all the non-weird casino games. Like, I won't touch a Carribean Stud or 3 Card Poker table, but roulette, craps, sports gambling, slots....I'm in. Blackjack reluctantly and as more of a social thing, but I'll still sit. Do you go to Vegas? Hey, people like you who can responsibly earn money gambling (without ever having that floor-drops-out-wife-leaving-you-kids-college-money-spent moment), I say: go on with your bad self! I've never been interested in gambling but I've loved games since I was a kid: the more strategy involved, the better. I was also seriously into chess when I was 12-13 and was too good for everyone I played at my school so I took to playing with adults at the local community college. My interested in it eventually waned though. Poker was similar in that my passion eventually waned too, but I stuck with it as a purely money making endeavor. I'm picky about what I consider a passion: there's a lot of things I enjoy (including sports and healthy living), but few that I really pour my heart and soul into. Music, film, and literature are simply the three that I've stuck with for pretty much my entire life, and I've spent more time with them in some form (listening/watching/reading, studying, writing, playing, etc.) than probably anything else. I haven't been to Vegas, sadly, but I generally prefer playing online anyway. If I play live I want to make sure it's with friends and it's more of a friendly hang-out thing. Haha, thanks! I go every March for opening weekend of March Madness. I would be ecstatic enough to have the time off and just sit in a bar watching great basketball all day, but when I can actually gamble on the games, and when the drinks are free, and when I can immerse myself in a card game afterwards, it's like the best of all worlds. Ah, yes, I was also really into chess for a while, especially middle school, high school and college when I had very little money and lots of free time. I played a lot of Stratego in middle school, too. Remember that game? Seemed like every person I played against surrounded their flag with bombs, though. At age 11, I was like, "you should diversify your defense," and the other kid would be like, "shut up!"
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Feb 8, 2018 2:42:24 GMT
I've never been interested in gambling but I've loved games since I was a kid: the more strategy involved, the better. I was also seriously into chess when I was 12-13 and was too good for everyone I played at my school so I took to playing with adults at the local community college. My interested in it eventually waned though. Poker was similar in that my passion eventually waned too, but I stuck with it as a purely money making endeavor. I'm picky about what I consider a passion: there's a lot of things I enjoy (including sports and healthy living), but few that I really pour my heart and soul into. Music, film, and literature are simply the three that I've stuck with for pretty much my entire life, and I've spent more time with them in some form (listening/watching/reading, studying, writing, playing, etc.) than probably anything else. I haven't been to Vegas, sadly, but I generally prefer playing online anyway. If I play live I want to make sure it's with friends and it's more of a friendly hang-out thing. Haha, thanks! I go every March for opening weekend of March Madness. I would be ecstatic enough to have the time off and just sit in a bar watching great basketball all day, but when I can actually gamble on the games, and when the drinks are free, and when I can immerse myself in a card game afterwards, it's like the best of all worlds. Ah, yes, I was also really into chess for a while, especially middle school, high school and college when I had very little money and lots of free time. I played a lot of Stratego in middle school, too. Remember that game? Seemed like every person I played against surrounded their flag with bombs, though. At age 11, I was like, "you should diversify your defense," and the other kid would be like, "shut up!" That does sound like fun! Most sports events I spend with my dad at his place. He's retired and a few years ago I bought him a nice home theater system, so we sit around and drink, chat, watch football on weekends, and then NBA/NCAA basketball playoffs for several weeks. Good times. Stratego is one of those games I bought but could hardly get anyone to play it with me so I lost interest in it too. Eventually almost everyone at my school move to video games so out of necessity I did too. I really enjoyed video games, but there's a different skill set involved in video games than just strategy. One good strategy video game I found was the PC version of Risk, which was based on the board game but contained a version where instead of players taking individual terms, they'd execute their moves at the same time, which made the game much more strategic than the regular board game.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 15:01:47 GMT
I go every March for opening weekend of March Madness. I would be ecstatic enough to have the time off and just sit in a bar watching great basketball all day, but when I can actually gamble on the games, and when the drinks are free, and when I can immerse myself in a card game afterwards, it's like the best of all worlds. Ah, yes, I was also really into chess for a while, especially middle school, high school and college when I had very little money and lots of free time. I played a lot of Stratego in middle school, too. Remember that game? Seemed like every person I played against surrounded their flag with bombs, though. At age 11, I was like, "you should diversify your defense," and the other kid would be like, "shut up!" That does sound like fun! Most sports events I spend with my dad at his place. He's retired and a few years ago I bought him a nice home theater system, so we sit around and drink, chat, watch football on weekends, and then NBA/NCAA basketball playoffs for several weeks. Good times. Stratego is one of those games I bought but could hardly get anyone to play it with me so I lost interest in it too. Eventually almost everyone at my school move to video games so out of necessity I did too. I really enjoyed video games, but there's a different skill set involved in video games than just strategy. One good strategy video game I found was the PC version of Risk, which was based on the board game but contained a version where instead of players taking individual terms, they'd execute their moves at the same time, which made the game much more strategic than the regular board game. I took my dad to Vegas with me one year and want to get him out there more. He's hilarious to watch a game with, because when his team (U of M) plays, he starts yelling at the refs and his coach/team from the moment the ball goes up. Like, every play. It was fun being in the middle of a crowded Vegas bar with him and he's just unloading at the tv the whole time. It was actually the year U of M lost in the final game, and we were only there for the opening weekend so, it goes to show that it doesn't matter whether his team is winning or not. He still unloads. I'm sorry you missed out on Stratego. It was a lot of fun. If there's ever an IMDBv2.0 meet-up, I will bring a board and you will have a partner. I miss board games as well. I remember when I got my first Nintendo, everything else kind of fell by the wayside. Hand/eye coordination is a great asset, and being able to think and react quickly is also good, but I miss the patient, studied approach one took when one played a board game. My wife plays these little mystery/puzzle games on whatever device she's using these days (I don't have "devices" like everyone else, so I'm not even sure which one she's using) and there will be some kind of puzzle/pattern thing where you have to build a map or whatever by rearranging all the pieces. Every once in a while I look over her shoulder and try to join in, but she rushes through making moves and I'm always like, "Just stop for a second, observe the board, find your pattern and then build." But she just mashes away, lol.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 15:04:54 GMT
Hope not! I got my Vegas trip booked and I plan on spending a lot of time at the craps table.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Feb 8, 2018 15:12:01 GMT
Didn't Jesus lose his shit when people were gambling in a temple?
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Feb 9, 2018 2:35:35 GMT
That does sound like fun! Most sports events I spend with my dad at his place. He's retired and a few years ago I bought him a nice home theater system, so we sit around and drink, chat, watch football on weekends, and then NBA/NCAA basketball playoffs for several weeks. Good times. Stratego is one of those games I bought but could hardly get anyone to play it with me so I lost interest in it too. Eventually almost everyone at my school move to video games so out of necessity I did too. I really enjoyed video games, but there's a different skill set involved in video games than just strategy. One good strategy video game I found was the PC version of Risk, which was based on the board game but contained a version where instead of players taking individual terms, they'd execute their moves at the same time, which made the game much more strategic than the regular board game. I took my dad to Vegas with me one year and want to get him out there more. He's hilarious to watch a game with, because when his team (U of M) plays, he starts yelling at the refs and his coach/team from the moment the ball goes up. Like, every play. It was fun being in the middle of a crowded Vegas bar with him and he's just unloading at the tv the whole time. It was actually the year U of M lost in the final game, and we were only there for the opening weekend so, it goes to show that it doesn't matter whether his team is winning or not. He still unloads. I'm sorry you missed out on Stratego. It was a lot of fun. If there's ever an IMDBv2.0 meet-up, I will bring a board and you will have a partner. I miss board games as well. I remember when I got my first Nintendo, everything else kind of fell by the wayside. Hand/eye coordination is a great asset, and being able to think and react quickly is also good, but I miss the patient, studied approach one took when one played a board game. My wife plays these little mystery/puzzle games on whatever device she's using these days (I don't have "devices" like everyone else, so I'm not even sure which one she's using) and there will be some kind of puzzle/pattern thing where you have to build a map or whatever by rearranging all the pieces. Every once in a while I look over her shoulder and try to join in, but she rushes through making moves and I'm always like, "Just stop for a second, observe the board, find your pattern and then build." But she just mashes away, lol. Hehe, my dad's the same way about games! We always have the audio on but I usually get more entertainment out of listening to his commentary than the commentators! I can get pretty animated myself sometimes when it comes to my home teams. We both about lost it over the OU/Georgia football game this year (still kinda depressed TBH). Deal RE Stratego! I also think that video games offer this whole sensory indulgent experience that's just completely different from the patience, concentration, and thought that goes into board games. It's as much entertainment as interaction. You should ask your wife what games she plays as I might like to check some out. These days all I play are Sudoku puzzles when I have to go anywhere that requires waiting. I'm not very good at them, but the strategy/concentration involved reminds me of the board game days.
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Post by koskiewicz on Feb 9, 2018 3:04:42 GMT
...it is all about luck...!!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2018 16:59:49 GMT
Hope not! I got my Vegas trip booked and I plan on spending a lot of time at the craps table. When you going?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2018 17:03:33 GMT
I took my dad to Vegas with me one year and want to get him out there more. He's hilarious to watch a game with, because when his team (U of M) plays, he starts yelling at the refs and his coach/team from the moment the ball goes up. Like, every play. It was fun being in the middle of a crowded Vegas bar with him and he's just unloading at the tv the whole time. It was actually the year U of M lost in the final game, and we were only there for the opening weekend so, it goes to show that it doesn't matter whether his team is winning or not. He still unloads. I'm sorry you missed out on Stratego. It was a lot of fun. If there's ever an IMDBv2.0 meet-up, I will bring a board and you will have a partner. I miss board games as well. I remember when I got my first Nintendo, everything else kind of fell by the wayside. Hand/eye coordination is a great asset, and being able to think and react quickly is also good, but I miss the patient, studied approach one took when one played a board game. My wife plays these little mystery/puzzle games on whatever device she's using these days (I don't have "devices" like everyone else, so I'm not even sure which one she's using) and there will be some kind of puzzle/pattern thing where you have to build a map or whatever by rearranging all the pieces. Every once in a while I look over her shoulder and try to join in, but she rushes through making moves and I'm always like, "Just stop for a second, observe the board, find your pattern and then build." But she just mashes away, lol. Hehe, my dad's the same way about games! We always have the audio on but I usually get more entertainment out of listening to his commentary than the commentators! I can get pretty animated myself sometimes when it comes to my home teams. We both about lost it over the OU/Georgia football game this year (still kinda depressed TBH). Deal RE Stratego! I also think that video games offer this whole sensory indulgent experience that's just completely different from the patience, concentration, and thought that goes into board games. It's as much entertainment as interaction. You should ask your wife what games she plays as I might like to check some out. These days all I play are Sudoku puzzles when I have to go anywhere that requires waiting. I'm not very good at them, but the strategy/concentration involved reminds me of the board game days. I'm a little more reserved when watching. I've seen too many games that looked like my team was a shoe-in that they blew and vice versa. I'm more the guy who erupts at one particular call. She played a lot of Sudoku before she got this...this....thing...this...device. (Can you tell I am not a techy?) I'll ask her what it is.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2018 17:12:15 GMT
Hope not! I got my Vegas trip booked and I plan on spending a lot of time at the craps table. When you going? Second weekend in May.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2018 17:24:44 GMT
Damn, I was hoping I'd get to buy THE Dennis Reynolds a shot. I'm heading out there in March. Can't wait! 100 hours of fun and 20 hours of sleep.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Feb 9, 2018 17:52:04 GMT
Hehe, my dad's the same way about games! We always have the audio on but I usually get more entertainment out of listening to his commentary than the commentators! I can get pretty animated myself sometimes when it comes to my home teams. We both about lost it over the OU/Georgia football game this year (still kinda depressed TBH). Deal RE Stratego! I also think that video games offer this whole sensory indulgent experience that's just completely different from the patience, concentration, and thought that goes into board games. It's as much entertainment as interaction. You should ask your wife what games she plays as I might like to check some out. These days all I play are Sudoku puzzles when I have to go anywhere that requires waiting. I'm not very good at them, but the strategy/concentration involved reminds me of the board game days. I'm a little more reserved when watching. I've seen too many games that looked like my team was a shoe-in that they blew and vice versa. I'm more the guy who erupts at one particular call. She played a lot of Sudoku before she got this...this....thing...this...device. (Can you tell I am not a techy?) I'll ask her what it is.Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2018 19:25:31 GMT
Damn, I was hoping I'd get to buy THE Dennis Reynolds a shot. I'm heading out there in March. Can't wait! 100 hours of fun and 20 hours of sleep. Enjoy! It's my favorite spot to vacation.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2018 19:39:13 GMT
Damn, I was hoping I'd get to buy THE Dennis Reynolds a shot. I'm heading out there in March. Can't wait! 100 hours of fun and 20 hours of sleep. Enjoy! It's my favorite spot to vacation. Likewise. I could go anywhere in the world I wanted and I always go back there.
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