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Post by cupcakes on Jan 24, 2018 17:01:20 GMT
tpfkar God has to exist because most people don't kill themselves. Life is terrible. The good moments of life barely make a dent in the bullshit. So why don't most people just kill themselves? The only reason most of us decide to keep living through the shit is because of a greater force compelling us to. Because of God we keep enduring and creating new life. Despite the fact that life is mostly terrible and our children will have to live through it. Quite the unjustified leap to mythology. Virtually all that don't don't because they net-want to keep living. Flirted with You All My Life
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 17:19:56 GMT
tpfkar Quite the unjustified leap to mythology. Virtually all that don't don't because they net-want to keep living. Flirted with You All My LifeI assume that's what's left over after you deduct life's suffering. But what's left over? The next episode of Game of Thrones? The good feelings you feel on Thanksgiving and Christmas? Watching football with your buddies? Life can be rewarding. But aren't those moments are few and far between? If good moments are few and far between, it's a sure indication you need another beer. Being entirely serious for a moment, however, I'm sad to hear people report their lives are mostly consumed with below average moments. My experience has been just the opposite. Every day something great happens. But I've learned to be thankful for simple, consistent things, so perhaps my perspective is skewed.
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Post by cupcakes on Jan 24, 2018 17:23:55 GMT
tpfkar I assume that's what's left over after you deduct life's suffering. But what's left over? The next episode of Game of Thrones? The good feelings you feel on Thanksgiving and Christmas? Watching football with your buddies? Life can be rewarding. But aren't those moments are few and far between? I guess everybody has to answer that for themselves. But I can say that I don't have your perspective on the balance of things. Hippopotamus
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 19:52:11 GMT
Meh. It has ups and downs. I prefer it to the alternative, though. What's the alternative, Not being alive, of course. About thirteen and a half billion years worth, give or take. Well there you go. I prefer to be able to remember things.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 20:01:02 GMT
Not being alive, of course. About thirteen and a half billion years worth, give or take. Well there you go. I prefer to be able to remember things. So there was a 'graham brain' floating around space personally experiencing not being alive for billions of years before becoming incarnate in flesh and being deprived of things that didn't exist yet? How interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 20:05:50 GMT
I assume that's what's left over after you deduct life's suffering. But what's left over? The next episode of Game of Thrones? The good feelings you feel on Thanksgiving and Christmas? Watching football with your buddies? Life can be rewarding. But aren't those moments are few and far between? Not for me they aren't. In fact I'd say it's the opposite. I'm really not sure I can remember the last time I would consider myself to be "suffering".
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 20:07:13 GMT
Not being alive, of course. About thirteen and a half billion years worth, give or take. Well there you go. I prefer to be able to remember things. So there was a 'graham brain' floating around space personally experiencing not being alive for billions of years before becoming incarnate in flesh and being deprived of things that didn't exist yet? How interesting. Oh look, you quoted my post but responded to something I didn't say. How interesting.
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Post by Larcen26 on Jan 24, 2018 20:08:05 GMT
8 hour of sleep 2 hours getting ready for work 8 hours at work 2 hours drive time 4 hours left in the day to make dinner, clean, shop, pay bills, and watch a couple shitty sitcoms. Life is complete shit. I guess most people just don't want to answer the fucking question. But the good news is that this is all proof that god exists. I'm truly sorry you find things so bleak.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 20:10:54 GMT
So there was a 'graham brain' floating around space personally experiencing not being alive for billions of years before becoming incarnate in flesh and being deprived of things that didn't exist yet? How interesting. Oh look, you quoted my post but responded to something I didn't say. How interesting. When I asked you what experience you had with the alternative (meaning non-existence), you replied "About thirteen and a half billion years worth, give or take."
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 20:17:20 GMT
Oh look, you quoted my post but responded to something I didn't say. How interesting. When I asked you what experience you had with the alternative (meaning non-existence), you replied "About thirteen and a half billion years worth, give or take." Well remembered!
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Post by Larcen26 on Jan 24, 2018 20:18:53 GMT
I'm truly sorry you find things so bleak. Is it not bleak? I truly don't find it to be. Moments can be bleak. But life itself is not.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 20:20:24 GMT
I truly don't find it to be. Moments can be bleak. But life itself is not. I can understand being unhappy with one's life. I really can't grasp why anybody would think that everybody else must also be unhappy with theirs.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 20:22:15 GMT
When I asked you what experience you had with the alternative (meaning non-existence), you replied "About thirteen and a half billion years worth, give or take." Well remembered! Ok, and moving on, my next response was a direct challenge to that claim, because I was asking you with what cognitive apparatus you were able to experience the billions of years of non-existence in order to make a comparison between that and living. To state that you prefer life means that you must have experienced the alternative, or at least be able to imagine what it must be like (but therein lies the rub, because non-existence is like nothing that you can imagine, because will never observe the state of your own non-existence).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 20:41:08 GMT
Ok, and moving on, my next response was a direct challenge to that claim No, it wasn't. Did I say I experienced it? Wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 20:41:53 GMT
8 hour of sleep 2 hours getting ready for work 8 hours at work 2 hours drive time 4 hours left in the day to make dinner, clean, shop, pay bills, and watch a couple shitty sitcoms. Life is complete shit. I guess most people just don't want to answer the fucking question. But the good news is that this is all proof that god exists. Interesting, my schedule is nearly identical, but I suggest three edits and the quality of your life will improve by over 14%, guaranteed. Eight hours of sleep is overrated; go with six. It's entirely possible to get ready for work in half an hour instead of two. Now you have 3.5 extra hours to work with, which now means your leisure time nearly duplicates your work time. The eight hours at work and two hours driving? Hey, I feel ya there. As for my third edit, I suggest you not watch shitty sitcoms. Maybe not any sitcoms. Instead, mix your 7.5 hours up into different things. Cook for an hour, exercise for 30 minutes, read something fun for 30 minutes, read something with the explicit intent of learning for 30 minutes, socialize with someone for two hours and you will still have three hours to watch a good movie and a shitty sitcom if that's your thing. But whatever you do, don't do the same thing all the time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 20:47:41 GMT
Ok, and moving on, my next response was a direct challenge to that claim No, it wasn't. Did I say I experienced it? Wrong. 1. It was. 2. I asked you what experience you had with non-existence, and then you stated "About thirteen and a half billion years worth, give or take." So am I now to infer that your response to that query was a non-sequitur, and you're admitting that you have no basis to make a comparison between existence and non existence. 3. You can't make a comparitive statement without having knowing what the condition that you are designating as inferior would be like. Saying that you're happy to be alive is fine, but to claim that you have a preference for being alive means that you are implying that you at least have some insight as to what the alternative would be like. It also suggests that the preference would persist even if you were experiencing the alternative condition (i.e. if you didn't exist, you'd still have a preference for being alive).
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Post by cupcakes on Jan 24, 2018 20:50:04 GMT
tpfkar Ok, and moving on, my next response was a direct challenge to that claim, because I was asking you with what cognitive apparatus you were able to experience the billions of years of non-existence in order to make a comparison between that and living. To state that you prefer life means that you must have experienced the alternative, or at least be able to imagine what it must be like (but therein lies the rub, because non-existence is like nothing that you can imagine, because will never observe the state of your own non-existence). Or, you just prefer what you're doing/experiencing to not doing/experiencing it. Especially since you'll be not doing/not experiencing it regardless soon enough. Harvard Professor Steven Pinker on Why We Refuse to See the Bright Side, Even Though We Should
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Post by cupcakes on Jan 24, 2018 20:54:32 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 21:02:45 GMT
tpfkar Ok, and moving on, my next response was a direct challenge to that claim, because I was asking you with what cognitive apparatus you were able to experience the billions of years of non-existence in order to make a comparison between that and living. To state that you prefer life means that you must have experienced the alternative, or at least be able to imagine what it must be like (but therein lies the rub, because non-existence is like nothing that you can imagine, because will never observe the state of your own non-existence). Or, you just prefer what you're doing/experiencing to not doing/experiencing it. Especially since you'll be not doing/not experiencing it regardless soon enough. Harvard Professor Steven Pinker on Why We Refuse to See the Bright Side, Even Though We ShouldThat applies only when you're comparing 2 different scenarios in which you are alive. For example, I would prefer to go on holiday in the summer than stay at home, because if I do nothing and stay at home, I will be deprived of the things that I might enjoy on the holiday, such as better weather and beautiful scenery. But if it came to having a preference between going on holiday this summer and being dead, I can't say that the holiday would be preferable, because I would be relieved of my need for the holiday or for anything else that I do to try and ward off boredom.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 21:03:49 GMT
It's impossible to conceive of what it would be like not to exist, because when that happens, you won't be experiencing it and it will not be 'like' anything. When the death of graham exists as a reality, then graham, along with his preferences, does not.
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