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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 1, 2018 19:20:33 GMT
Cupcakes. No contest. Even the other Christian-haters seem to regard him as an embarrassment to the cause. He's the lowest of the low. If this board were Hinduism, he'd be an untouchable.
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Post by cupcakes on Feb 1, 2018 19:26:46 GMT
tpfkar As already made clear Cody, rabid Islamophobia is not the only prism by which can one view religious history.
I see I am last in your poll, btw. Perhaps you need to vote again? lol
The results are far from an accurate reflection trust me. I genuinely don't see Fleetsin as a bigger hater than you. Yeah he whines about Christianity from time to time and never seems to show anything but contempt but he's at least consistent in that he seems tar all religions with the same brush. Other than that he gives the impression that he couldn't care less. The hatred of the likes of you, Goz and Cupcakes runs far deeper, you clearly have an agenda as you go after one specific religion to the point where you go out of your way to single out, deride, undermine, purposely misrepresent, distort and completely disrespect the faith at any given opportunity. The sheer contempt you lot show manifests through almost every post you make on the topic. And what separates you most from the causal hater is your weird habit of defending the other religion(Islam) which is guilty of far worse than what you accuse Christianity of and also currently causing a lot more problems around the world. Your the enemy of my enemy is my friend approach is the biggest give away. The only more prominent feature than being a massive liar that you have is being a perpetually aggrieved simpleton. As noted many, many times, the tenets of Christianity are no more bestial and no more highly immoral than are those of Islam. But you personally share many of the most repulsive traits in common with radical Islamists. Women shouldn't be presidents, prime ministers or chancellors.
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Post by cupcakes on Feb 1, 2018 19:29:09 GMT
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Post by Cody™ on Feb 1, 2018 19:31:51 GMT
CaptainBryce at least tries to be objective and has some degree of knowledge of scripture. I’m somewhat surprised to see my name on the list. I really don’t think I qualify as a Christianity “hater”, although I’m not sure what your measure of that actually is. Yeah probably was a tad harsh placing you on the list even if some of your posts do come across like you're trying to caricature the typical disgruntled, bitter ex-Christian internet atheist.
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Post by captainbryce on Feb 2, 2018 0:03:39 GMT
I’m somewhat surprised to see my name on the list. I really don’t think I qualify as a Christianity “hater”, although I’m not sure what your measure of that actually is. Yeah probably was a tad harsh placing you on the list even if some of your posts do come across like you're trying to caricature the typical disgruntled, bitter ex-Christian internet atheist. It may seem like that to you because you fall more towards the conservative (fundamentalist) side of Christianity. There are other Christians here (who take a more liberal or open-minded view) who find me more fair. In any case, I don’t have a problem with Christians or Christianity in general. Like all religions I actually appreciate it (along with the positive impact it can have on people) when it’s interpreted reasonably and invoked appropriately. I may not share the same belief system anymore, but I don’t fault those who do. What I do often argue against strongly are dogmatic views and interpretations that hinder individual thinking and require taking positions that harm others. As difficult as it may be for you to accept, Christians have harmed other people and groups, and Christianity can and often is used as a weapon used to smother and denigrate minorities in the name of God. It’s that version of Christianity that I hate. And it’s why I spend a lot of time crafting arguments meant to dissuade Christians from following that path.
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Post by captainbryce on Feb 2, 2018 0:05:15 GMT
Why? In what way do I demonstrate any hate towards Christianity? You don't; I didn't like the use of the word "hate" but you are a very articulate atheist. Very well. I’ll take that as a compliment. Although I’m not certain it was intended as such.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Feb 2, 2018 11:45:35 GMT
you clearly have an agenda Where is it? Can I have it laminated?
But then you would say that, wouldn't you? You would be better off attacking the message, not the messenger.
And, as pointed out to Winter on another thread recently, without some trenchant criticism and disrespect of the type of faith of others, the Reformation would not have got off the ground.
As already patiently explained, my dear Cody, not agreeing with every Islamophobic exaggeration and statement you come up with is not 'defending' anything - except necessary balance and context.
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Post by Cody™ on Feb 2, 2018 12:26:26 GMT
captainbryceAnd which side of Christianity would you say John the Baptist, Paul and the rest of the disciples fall towards?
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Post by Cody™ on Feb 2, 2018 12:42:31 GMT
FilmFlaneurNo exaggeration on my part. I said Islam's most authentic sources(including her own testimony) teach that Aisha was 6 at marriage and 9 during consummation. You're the one guilty of exaggerating by trying to make out that this is a hotly disputed case within orthodox Islam. I backed it up by citing one of sunni Islam's most respected scholars who completely debunked all your disingenuous nonsense. The article even includes a narration from Ibn Kathir(regarded as Islam's greatest commentator) who confirms that "this is a matter on which the scholars were agreed, and there was no report that any one of them disagreed."
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Post by tickingmask on Feb 2, 2018 12:44:46 GMT
I don’t have a problem with Christians or Christianity in general. Like all religions I actually appreciate it (along with the positive impact it can have on people) when it’s interpreted reasonably and invoked appropriately. I may not share the same belief system anymore, but I don’t fault those who do. I may not share the same belief system anymore, but I don’t fault those who do. But you say stuff like "The sooner we get rid of religion, the sooner we can begin to heal the world. Religion has cause more devastation and suffering in the world than any other phenomenon in human history!"
If that isn't finding fault, then what is?
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Post by captainbryce on Feb 2, 2018 12:47:18 GMT
I don’t have a problem with Christians or Christianity in general. Like all religions I actually appreciate it (along with the positive impact it can have on people) when it’s interpreted reasonably and invoked appropriately. I may not share the same belief system anymore, but I don’t fault those who do. I may not share the same belief system anymore, but I don’t fault those who do. But you say stuff like "The sooner we get rid of religion, the sooner we can begin to heal the world. Religion has cause more devastation and suffering in the world than any other phenomenon in human history!"
If that isn't finding fault, then what is?
I stand by that 100% because it’s absolutely true! But I never blamed all Christians for the suffering religion has caused in the world. Show me in the part in that quote where I singled out “Christianity” (and or Christians) please.
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Post by Cody™ on Feb 2, 2018 12:58:56 GMT
But you say stuff like "The sooner we get rid of religion, the sooner we can begin to heal the world. Religion has cause more devastation and suffering in the world than any other phenomenon in human history!"
If that isn't finding fault, then what is?
I stand by that 100% because it’s absolutely true! But I never blamed all Christians for the suffering religion has caused in the world. Show me in the part in that quote where I singled out “Christianity” (and or Christians) please. Is it? I would say wars have been a far far bigger problem in that regard.
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Post by tickingmask on Feb 2, 2018 13:03:49 GMT
But you say stuff like "The sooner we get rid of religion, the sooner we can begin to heal the world. Religion has cause more devastation and suffering in the world than any other phenomenon in human history!"
If that isn't finding fault, then what is?
I stand by that 100% because it’s absolutely true! But I never blamed all Christians for the suffering religion has caused in the world. Show me in the part in that quote where I singled out “Christianity” (and or Christians) please. You don't think "The sooner we get rid of religion, the sooner we can begin to heal the world" and "I don’t have a problem with Christians or Christianity in general" are somewhat contradictory, then? Are you excluding Christianity from the religions you want to get rid of, or what?
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Feb 2, 2018 13:05:53 GMT
FilmFlaneur No exaggeration on my part. I said Islam's most authentic sources(including her own testimony) teach that Aisha was 6 at marriage and 9 during consummation. You're the one guilty of exaggerating by trying to make out that this is a hotly disputed case within orthodox Islam. I backed it up by citing one of sunni Islam's most respected scholars who completely debunked all your disingenuous nonsense. The article even includes a narration from Ibn Kathir(regarded as Islam's greatest commentator) who confirms that "this is a matter on which the scholars were agreed, and there was no report that any one of them disagreed." I have given the historical context and the opposing views about Aisha from within Islam scholarship. I have condemned child marriages, since you asked, which is not hard. Not much else I can do, is there, in the face of your insistent Islamophobia? Oh yes, except to note - for the third time - that your own god sometimes works through unworthy vessels while, even if we accept the tenor of your obsessive (since you have been repeating them here now, over and over, lol) views on Muhammad's marriage, this still does not mean Islam is necessarily evil or corrupt- which was, always, the point really. I hope this sinks in now. Time for you to find a new hobby horse.
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Post by Cody™ on Feb 2, 2018 13:14:42 GMT
I stand by that 100% because it’s absolutely true! But I never blamed all Christians for the suffering religion has caused in the world. Show me in the part in that quote where I singled out “Christianity” (and or Christians) please. You don't think "The sooner we get rid of religion, the sooner we can begin to heal the world" and "I don’t have a problem with Christians or Christianity in general" are somewhat contradictory, then? Are you excluding Christianity from the religions you want to get rid of, or what? Busted!...
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Post by cupcakes on Feb 2, 2018 13:15:56 GMT
tpfkar i woke up. i actually started thinking for myself after realizing the bible was nothing more than handed down fireside fables being used to control people. the voodoo no longer controls me. No problem, you don't have to give a more specific answer. I imagine it can take a lot of effort to keep believing long term through all of the silly. For the generations to come none of your descendants who has a defect may come near to offer the food of his God. No man who has any defect may come near: no man who is blind or lame, disfigured or deformed; no man with a crippled foot or hand, or who is a hunchback or a dwarf, or who has any eye defect, or who has festering or running sores or damaged testicles. No descendant of Aaron the priest who has any defect is to come near to present the food offerings to the Lord. He has a defect; he must not come near to offer the food of his God. He may eat the most holy food of his God, as well as the holy food; yet because of his defect, he must not go near the curtain or approach the altar, and so desecrate my sanctuary. I am the Lord, who makes them holy.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Feb 2, 2018 13:17:44 GMT
You don't think "The sooner we get rid of religion, the sooner we can begin to heal the world" and "I don’t have a problem with Christians or Christianity in general" are somewhat contradictory, then? Are you excluding Christianity from the religions you want to get rid of, or what? Busted!... But the good Captain didn't single out Christianity in the quotes, Cody. In fact he says the opposite. I can only see a stand he takes against all religions, although to be fair 'Christianity in general' would be part of those. Indeed it would be to "single out" Christianity to remove it from the rest under consideration. Are you sure you have your Bible reading glasses on?
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Post by lowtacks86 on Feb 2, 2018 13:47:08 GMT
Me, I rip out Bible paper and use it to roll joints.
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Post by Isapop on Feb 2, 2018 14:18:09 GMT
Me, I rip out Bible paper and use it to roll joints. I recommend using the Book of Revelation. Combined with weed, it makes for a truly mind blowing experience.
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Post by captainbryce on Feb 2, 2018 14:27:40 GMT
I stand by that 100% because it’s absolutely true! But I never blamed all Christians for the suffering religion has caused in the world. Show me in the part in that quote where I singled out “Christianity” (and or Christians) please. You don't think "The sooner we get rid of religion, the sooner we can begin to heal the world" and "I don’t have a problem with Christians or Christianity in general" are somewhat contradictory, then? I really don’t. Most of my family are Christians, and many of my friends. They don’t shove their religion down other people’s throats, and they don’t use it as an excuse to condemn others. If every Christian was like this, then the world would also be a better place. We disagree on matters concerning religion, but I neither hate them, nor do I hate that they practice something I don’t believe in. The problem is, as with all other religions, many Christians are NOT like that. And I do think that ultimately the world will be better off and more prosperous for all of humanity when we move past religion, and embrace science and reason. Because the problem with religion is that it not only perpetuates ignorance, but it infects all aspects of society (politics in particular) which is damaging. It is because of religion (as a whole) that nations go to war, and why people who follow different beliefs are persecuted. No. As with all religion I want to get rid of Christianity too (for the aforementioned reasons). But I don’t hate it, because I can acknowledge that it does have some positive attributes (again when used appropriately). I can appreciate it for what it can be. I also don’t hate practitioners of it, unless they use it to do harm. I just think we’d be better off without all religion. But if the choice came down to getting rid of only Christianity while leaving all other religions here, I’d rather keep it. Because in general it’s certainly a better belief system than some other religions. I only disagree with Christianity. There are actually other religions that I hate.
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