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Post by captainbryce on Feb 2, 2018 14:29:07 GMT
Busted!... Wishful thinking Cody (or perhaps willful ignorance?) See above, and try to comprehend. Don’t facilitate a straw man argument!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 16:07:56 GMT
is because of religion (as a whole) that nations go to war, and why people who follow different beliefs are persecuted. You must consider atheism a religion, then.
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Post by captainbryce on Feb 2, 2018 16:35:48 GMT
is because of religion (as a whole) that nations go to war, and why people who follow different beliefs are persecuted. You must consider atheism a religion, then. How does that follow?
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Post by Cody™ on Feb 2, 2018 16:37:12 GMT
is because of religion (as a whole) that nations go to war, and why people who follow different beliefs are persecuted. You must consider atheism a religion, then. According to the book "Encyclopedia of Wars", which documents the history of recorded warfare. Of the 1763 wars only 123 have been classified to involve a religious cause. That means that religion accounts for only 7%(majority of those connected to Islam) of all wars and less than 2% of all people killed in warfare. This makes your claim demonstrably false, captainbryce
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 16:38:59 GMT
You must consider atheism a religion, then. How does that follow? Because atheist governments have both a.) caused war and b.) persecuted people who were not atheists. Edit: and they do it far more efficiently than religious governments.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Feb 2, 2018 17:28:24 GMT
You don't; I didn't like the use of the word "hate" but you are a very articulate atheist. Very well. I’ll take that as a compliment. Although I’m not certain it was intended as such. It was meant as a compliment. You are very articulate in your reasons for rejecting religion. I would rather have seen the subject of this thread phrased 'Who is the board's strongest atheist' or something other than what was used. And thefleetsin stated that he didn't hate religion, he hated the ignorance and fear that it comes from. If memory serves; I'll go back in the thread to see if I quoted him correctly, so edit forthcoming... Copied and pasted from his post on the bottom of page 2 of this thread. I am an atheist, also, having been raised in religion, and I have been posting on this board from the beginning that I think religion causes more harm than good, in a nutshell.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 17:34:21 GMT
Because atheist governments have both a.) caused war and b.) persecuted people who were not atheists. Edit: and they do it far more efficiently than religious governments. Atheists conveniently forget that history's most brutal and murderous dictators were also devout atheists and statists.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 17:44:44 GMT
Because atheist governments have both a.) caused war and b.) persecuted people who were not atheists. Edit: and they do it far more efficiently than religious governments. Atheists conveniently forget that history's most brutal and murderous dictators were also devout atheists and statists. Eh, they seem intelligent and pretty well-informed in other areas. I wonder why there's always a knowledge gap in this particular case?
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Post by cupcakes on Feb 2, 2018 17:50:53 GMT
tpfkar Because atheist governments have both a.) caused war and b.) persecuted people who were not atheists. Edit: and they do it far more efficiently than religious governments. Atheists conveniently forget that history's most brutal and murderous dictators were also devout atheists and statists. Religion and the Cult of the Strongman are just competing systems. Such an elevation of religion to be like any other brutal regime when it gets power. Just in the name of whatever bestial god is enforced. Now, therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known a man by lying with him; but all the women-children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
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Post by captainbryce on Feb 2, 2018 18:20:44 GMT
You must consider atheism a religion, then. According to the book "Encyclopedia of Wars", which documents the history of recorded warfare. Of the 1763 wars only 123 have been classified to involve a religious cause. That means that religion accounts for only 7%(majority of those connected to Islam) of all wars and less than 2% of all people killed in warfare. This makes your claim demonstrably false, captainbryce No, actually it validates my claim as demonstrably true. Look at what you just wrote! Religion accounts for 7% of all wars and 2% of people killed in warfare. Even if we take these figures at face value, that’s a shitload of wars and a shitload of people killed in war because of religion. So that validates my statement! But more to the point, what does any of this have to do with atheism, or me viewing it as a “religion”? Because that’s where he made a completely out of left field jump.
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Post by captainbryce on Feb 2, 2018 18:22:17 GMT
Very well. I’ll take that as a compliment. Although I’m not certain it was intended as such. It was meant as a compliment. You are very articulate in your reasons for rejecting religion. I would rather have seen the subject of this thread phrased 'Who is the board's strongest atheist' or something other than what was used. And thefleetsin stated that he didn't hate religion, he hated the ignorance and fear that it comes from. If memory serves; I'll go back in the thread to see if I quoted him correctly, so edit forthcoming... Copied and pasted from his post on the bottom of page 2 of this thread. I am an atheist, also, having been raised in religion, and I have been posting on this board from the beginning that I think religion causes more harm than good, in a nutshell. Fair enough. I tend not to see any of thefleetsin’s posts (I have him on ignore).
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Post by captainbryce on Feb 2, 2018 18:25:32 GMT
Because atheist governments have both a.) caused war and b.) persecuted people who were not atheists. Edit: and they do it far more efficiently than religious governments. I don’t know what you mean by “atheist governments”, but to stay on point, no government ever initiated a war or persecuted people in the name of “atheism”. That’s not a thing! There have been non-religious wars, but that fact is irrelevant as it does not invalidate the existence of the wars that were religious in nature.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 18:26:10 GMT
According to the book "Encyclopedia of Wars", which documents the history of recorded warfare. Of the 1763 wars only 123 have been classified to involve a religious cause. That means that religion accounts for only 7%(majority of those connected to Islam) of all wars and less than 2% of all people killed in warfare. This makes your claim demonstrably false, captainbryce No, actually it validates my claim as demonstrably true. Look at what you just wrote! Religion accounts for 7% of all wars and 2% of people killed in warfare. Even if we take these figures at face value, that’s a shitload of wars and a shitload of people killed in war because of religion. So that validates my statement! But more to the point, what does any of this have to do with atheism, or me viewing it as a “religion”? Because that’s where you made a completely out of left field jump. That's just flat out false. You declared that it's because of religion that nations go to war. Your exact statement: "It is because of religion (as a whole) that nations go to war, and why people who follow different beliefs are persecuted." So either you consider atheism a religion (plus a bunch of other philosophies that also aren't religions) or you should walk back your broad brush statement.
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Post by Cody™ on Feb 2, 2018 18:28:03 GMT
According to the book "Encyclopedia of Wars", which documents the history of recorded warfare. Of the 1763 wars only 123 have been classified to involve a religious cause. That means that religion accounts for only 7%(majority of those connected to Islam) of all wars and less than 2% of all people killed in warfare. This makes your claim demonstrably false, captainbryce No, actually it validates my claim as demonstrably true. Look at what you just wrote! Religion accounts for 7% of all wars and 2% of people killed in warfare. Even if we take these figures at face value, that’s a shitload of wars and a shitload of people killed in war because of religion. So that validates my statement! But more to the point, what does any of this have to do with atheism, or me viewing it as a “religion”? Because that’s where he made a completely out of left field jump. It was more of a follow up to your earlier claim: "Religion has cause more devastation and suffering in the world than any other phenomenon in human history!"To which I responded to by citing war as causing devastation and suffering on a far far larger scale. These latest stats only demonstrate that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 18:30:27 GMT
Because atheist governments have both a.) caused war and b.) persecuted people who were not atheists. Edit: and they do it far more efficiently than religious governments. I don’t know what you mean by “atheist governments”, but to stay on point, no government ever initiated a war or persecuted people in the name of “atheism”. That’s not a thing! There have been non-religious wars, but that fact is irrelevant as it does not invalidate the existence of the wars that were religious in nature. Dude, Communist regimes do not just espouse Communism. Communism is more of the economic side of their structure, but most of those Communist regimes espouse other things, including, most times, atheism. Read up some more on the current North Korean regime and look back in recent history at the Chinese government and then further back at the Soviets. All claimed atheism. Between the three of them, they have either committed genocide or started wars and all three of them have persecuted theists, generally Christians.
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Post by Cody™ on Feb 2, 2018 18:35:00 GMT
You don't think "The sooner we get rid of religion, the sooner we can begin to heal the world" and "I don’t have a problem with Christians or Christianity in general" are somewhat contradictory, then? I really don’t. Most of my family are Christians, and many of my friends. They don’t shove their religion down other people’s throats, and they don’t use it as an excuse to condemn others. If every Christian was like this, then the world would also be a better place. We disagree on matters concerning religion, but I neither hate them, nor do I hate that they practice something I don’t believe in. The problem is, as with all other religions, many Christians are NOT like that. And I do think that ultimately the world will be better off and more prosperous for all of humanity when we move past religion, and embrace science and reason. Because the problem with religion is that it not only perpetuates ignorance, but it infects all aspects of society (politics in particular) which is damaging. It is because of religion (as a whole) that nations go to war, and why people who follow different beliefs are persecuted. No. As with all religion I want to get rid of Christianity too (for the aforementioned reasons). But I don’t hate it, because I can acknowledge that it does have some positive attributes (again when used appropriately). I can appreciate it for what it can be. I also don’t hate practitioners of it, unless they use it to do harm. I just think we’d be better off without all religion. But if the choice came down to getting rid of only Christianity while leaving all other religions here, I’d rather keep it. Because in general it’s certainly a better belief system than some other religions. I only disagree with Christianity. There are actually other religions that I hate. Nicely blagged. Not very convincing but a good bluff all the same.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Feb 2, 2018 18:36:35 GMT
No, actually it validates my claim as demonstrably true. Look at what you just wrote! Religion accounts for 7% of all wars and 2% of people killed in warfare. Even if we take these figures at face value, that’s a shitload of wars and a shitload of people killed in war because of religion. So that validates my statement! But more to the point, what does any of this have to do with atheism, or me viewing it as a “religion”? Because that’s where you made a completely out of left field jump. That's just flat out false. You declared that it's because of religion that nations go to war. Your exact statement: "It is because of religion (as a whole) that nations go to war, and why people who follow different beliefs are persecuted." So either you consider atheism a religion (plus a bunch of other philosophies that also aren't religions) or you should walk back your broad brush statement. Let's just call it 'tribalism' - "Our (religion, form of government, culture) is the TRUE (religion, form of government, culture) and you should change, and if you don't, we will use violent means to convince you, up to and including torture and death."
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Post by captainbryce on Feb 2, 2018 18:38:39 GMT
No, actually it validates my claim as demonstrably true. Look at what you just wrote! Religion accounts for 7% of all wars and 2% of people killed in warfare. Even if we take these figures at face value, that’s a shitload of wars and a shitload of people killed in war because of religion. So that validates my statement! But more to the point, what does any of this have to do with atheism, or me viewing it as a “religion”? Because that’s where he made a completely out of left field jump. It was more of a follow up to your earlier claim: "Religion has cause more devastation and suffering in the world than any other phenomenon in human history!"To which I responded to by citing war as causing devastation and suffering on a far far larger scale. Well your statistics do not invalidate that statement at all. This is still true as far as I see it because devastation and suffering exist in many other forms than “war”. Women suffer under Taliban rule whether we are at war with them or not. Children in Egypt suffer under Islamic restrictions imposed on them, just as children in the United States suffer under Christian restrictions imposed on them. War is only ONE measure of suffering caused by religion; not the only measure!
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Post by cupcakes on Feb 2, 2018 18:40:41 GMT
tpfkar You must consider atheism a religion, then. According to the book "Encyclopedia of Wars", which documents the history of recorded warfare. Of the 1763 wars only 123 have been classified to involve a religious cause. That means that religion accounts for only 7%(majority of those connected to Islam) of all wars and less than 2% of all people killed in warfare. This makes your claim demonstrably false, captainbryce How did it classify the Iraq War? Science proven wrong yet AGAIN.
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