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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Feb 2, 2018 17:42:21 GMT
In TLJ the First Order used a "new technology" of tracking ships in hyperspace. There's even a conversation between Finn and Rose where it's discussed that it was previously thought impossible. But why?
In ANH after everyone escaped the Death Star on the Millennium Falcon Han thought they were free and clear from the Empire. But Leia told Han that they were tracking them. They used hyperspace travel to get to Yavin 4. So the Empire's tracker must've worked in hyperspace.
In TFA when everyone arrived on Takadonna to go see Maz, Han tells Rey that they need a new ship because the Millennium Falcon has a tracker on it. Rey even "bypassed the compressor" so that the hyperdrive would work so that they could get to Takadonna. So the only way the tracker could be a concern is if it worked in hyperspace.
Can someone please explain this to me? How is hyperspace tracking new, but not new?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 18:12:40 GMT
Thematically-speaking, it's new because RJ had a couple basic plots in mind and decided to write (poorly) around those plots. Technically, I think it's new because in the previous examples, a transponder device was physically planted on the tracked vehicle. I believe we are led to believe that Snoke and his blokes could track the Resistance (Rebellion? Resistance? Rebellion? Resistance? ) without a device being physically planted on any of the Resistance fleet's ships. I could be wrong, but I don't recall anything in the movie saying someone sneaked aboard any of the ships and put a device on it.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Feb 2, 2018 18:57:45 GMT
Thematically-speaking, it's new because RJ had a couple basic plots in mind and decided to write (poorly) around those plots. Technically, I think it's new because in the previous examples, a transponder device was physically planted on the tracked vehicle. I believe we are led to believe that Snoke and his blokes could track the Resistance (Rebellion? Resistance? Rebellion? Resistance? ) without a device being physically planted on any of the Resistance fleet's ships. I could be wrong, but I don't recall anything in the movie saying someone sneaked aboard any of the ships and put a device on it. That sounds about right. Yeah, the Resistance/Rebel thing is such a joke. Many people wondered why they weren't called the Rebels in TFA since onscreen they looked identical, organizationally and aesthetically speaking. And low and behold, by the end of TLJ they are the Rebels. I can only laugh when I think back on all those arguments insisting that the Resistance was not just like the Rebels.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Feb 2, 2018 19:10:30 GMT
Because Rian Johnson is a moron.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 19:42:11 GMT
Thematically-speaking, it's new because RJ had a couple basic plots in mind and decided to write (poorly) around those plots. Technically, I think it's new because in the previous examples, a transponder device was physically planted on the tracked vehicle. I believe we are led to believe that Snoke and his blokes could track the Resistance (Rebellion? Resistance? Rebellion? Resistance? ) without a device being physically planted on any of the Resistance fleet's ships. I could be wrong, but I don't recall anything in the movie saying someone sneaked aboard any of the ships and put a device on it. That sounds about right. Yeah, the Resistance/Rebel thing is such a joke. Many people wondered why they weren't called the Rebels in TFA since onscreen they looked identical, organizationally and aesthetically speaking. And low and behold, by the end of TLJ they are the Rebels. I can only laugh when I think back on all those arguments insisting that the Resistance was not just like the Rebels. Well, to be fair, at least JJ established them in dialogue as something else, even if he didn't do a fantastic job of explaining what the hell happened in-universe that predicated both the dissolution of the Rebellion and the forming of the Resistance. RJ, on the other hand, just flat out said "fuck it."
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Feb 3, 2018 10:50:42 GMT
The renaming thing with the first order and the resistance wouldn't be a bad thing if they did something new or unique.
But the reality is they're both the Empire and Rebellion with a new coat of paint.
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Post by simplemoviecommenter on Feb 3, 2018 16:56:09 GMT
The hyperspace tracking was unnecessary and convoluted. All they had to do was have the FO somehow secretly put a homing beacon on the Raddus, just like how they put a homing beacon on the Falcon in ANH. We would've been spared from the entire fucking everything that involved Canto Bight and Rose and Finn fucking around. And Benicio Del Toro, his character and his stuttering was annoying. And fucking Maz Kanata. Her communication scene was too stupid to tolerate.
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Post by azzajones on Feb 9, 2018 22:53:01 GMT
I'm puzzled by the principle of tracking which meant the lead ship would be tracking them, why wouldn't the other ships being tracking them and once the tracker was disabled on the lead ship what was preventing the other ships from activating their trackers?
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Feb 10, 2018 21:39:36 GMT
I'm puzzled by the principle of tracking which meant the lead ship would be tracking them, why wouldn't the other ships being tracking them and once the tracker was disabled on the lead ship what was preventing the other ships from activating their trackers? It doesn't make much sense. Neither does Finn knowing all of the secrets of the Death Star (erh, Starkiller base) and the secrets of the tracking ship when he was just a custodian.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Feb 10, 2018 21:41:35 GMT
Because Rian Johnson is a moron. Cool new avatar by the way...
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Feb 10, 2018 23:11:30 GMT
And fucking Maz Kanata. Her communication scene was too stupid to tolerate. Well said! Was thinking about that the other day - haven't seen that particular ridiculous scene getting much discussion (lost among the sheer weight of the other nonsense I guess).
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Post by azzajones on Feb 11, 2018 3:37:28 GMT
Hell if you could sneak on board the giant First Order ship, surely you'd head for the main reactor and plant some charges or otherwise sabotage it.
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