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Post by OldSamVimes on Feb 9, 2018 17:52:30 GMT
You don't.
IMO Heaven and Hell can both be experienced here on Earth, in your body.
They are states of mind.
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Post by Vegas on Feb 9, 2018 18:42:35 GMT
The Bible also calls the place where birds fly "Heaven"...... True, but that’s only a reference to the first heaven. Remember, there are three different “heavens” because in Biblical Hebrew the word heaven has three different literal meanings. The first heaven is the sky (where the birds fly); the second heaven is outer space (where the stars and planets are); the third heaven is the spiritual realm of God and the angels (where the righteous and faithful supposedly go when they die). Oftentimes when scripture speaks of creation, it refers to “the heavens” collectively as a reverence for the entire universe. Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Corinthians 12:2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know--God knows Sooooooo..... The thing to do next is figure out which heaven is being referred... The people at the time didn't think that Elijah went to Heaven... as they send out scout parties to look for him... Granted, they could be mistaken.. But: Elijah is shown to still be on Earth years later as he writes to Jehoram.
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Post by clusium on Feb 9, 2018 19:30:33 GMT
Elijah's physical passage into Heaven was by "Assumption" too. Not for Christians who believe that the bible is the inspired word of god Au Contraire, CaptainBryce. The word "assumption" means the way in which he was transferred to Heaven; ditto for how Mary was transferred to Heaven.
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Post by captainbryce on Feb 9, 2018 21:07:50 GMT
True, but that’s only a reference to the first heaven. Remember, there are three different “heavens” because in Biblical Hebrew the word heaven has three different literal meanings. The first heaven is the sky (where the birds fly); the second heaven is outer space (where the stars and planets are); the third heaven is the spiritual realm of God and the angels (where the righteous and faithful supposedly go when they die). Oftentimes when scripture speaks of creation, it refers to “the heavens” collectively as a reverence for the entire universe. Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Corinthians 12:2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know--God knows Sooooooo..... The thing to do next is figure out which heaven is being referred... The people at the time didn't think that Elijah went to Heaven... as they send out scout parties to look for him... Granted, they could be mistaken.. But: Elijah is shown to still be on Earth years later as he writes to Jehoram. Not exactly. He is shown to be on Earth when he penned a letter to Jehoram (at some unspecified date). But the Bible is silent as to what year this was in relation to his ascension. Logically, it would have to have been before since he is clearly seen with Moses in heaven by the disciples of Jesus. Matthew 17:3-8 Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus. Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah.” While he was still speaking, a bright cloud covered them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!” When the disciples heard this, they fell facedown to the ground, terrified. But Jesus came and touched them. “Get up,” he said. “Don’t be afraid.” When they looked up, they saw no one except Jesus. The fact that the account of Elijah having written a letter to Jehoram occurs in a later book in the canonical bible than the account of him ascending to heaven does not imply that the event occurred at a later date. Just like how Genesis 2 does NOT imply that God created Adam after he had previously created mankind in Genesis 1.
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Post by captainbryce on Feb 9, 2018 21:10:43 GMT
Not for Christians who believe that the bible is the inspired word of god Au Contraire, CaptainBryce. The word "assumption" means the way in which he was transferred to Heaven; ditto for how Mary was transferred to Heaven. One is canonical (and therefore according to the church “inspired”), while the other is apocryphal (and therefore according to the church not inspired). I’m just going off of your religion’s own rules!
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Feb 9, 2018 21:16:00 GMT
Because God doesn’t love the rest of us like he loves Elijah? Elijah Wood?
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Post by captainbryce on Feb 9, 2018 21:22:46 GMT
Because God doesn’t love the rest of us like he loves Elijah? Elijah Wood? No, I was referring to the prophet Elijah. Why, does God love Elijah Wood too?
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Feb 9, 2018 21:25:32 GMT
No, I was referring to the prophet Elijah. Why, does God love Elijah Wood too? The question is goes God love Elijah Wood too much.
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Post by clusium on Feb 9, 2018 22:56:46 GMT
No, I was referring to the prophet Elijah. Why, does God love Elijah Wood too? Of course!!! After all, what's not to love about Elijah Wood??
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Post by Vegas on Feb 9, 2018 22:58:39 GMT
Matthew 17:3-8 Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus. Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah.” While he was still speaking, a bright cloud covered them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!” When the disciples heard this, they fell facedown to the ground, terrified. But Jesus came and touched them. “Get up,” he said. “Don’t be afraid.” When they looked up, they saw no one except Jesus. The fact that this is a vision and they might not even be real people standing there, aside... This is rather irrelevant as Moses is said to have physically died..... Him being there is apparently more of being in spirit sense than physical. Although... I don't rule out.... time travel. It's not just a later book.... Jehoram only becomes significant years after it was said that Elijah ascended. Sure, I suppose there could be some weird Christopher Nolan Memento story telling going on.. but that seems highly unlikely.
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Post by clusium on Feb 9, 2018 22:59:46 GMT
Au Contraire, CaptainBryce. The word "assumption" means the way in which he was transferred to Heaven; ditto for how Mary was transferred to Heaven. One is canonical (and therefore according to the church “inspired”), while the other is apocryphal (and therefore according to the church not inspired). I’m just going off of your religion’s own rules! Those rules actually apply to those "gospels" which not make into the Canon. Although Mary's Assumption is not in the Bible, her Assumption is regarded as Canon, just as the Martyrdoms of each of the Apostles are all regarded as Canon, despite not being included in the Holy Bible.
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Post by goz on Feb 9, 2018 23:46:36 GMT
One is canonical (and therefore according to the church “inspired”), while the other is apocryphal (and therefore according to the church not inspired). I’m just going off of your religion’s own rules! Those rules actually apply to those "gospels" which not make into the Canon. Although Mary's Assumption is not in the Bible, her Assumption is regarded as Canon, just as the Martyrdoms of each of the Apostles are all regarded as Canon, despite not being included in the Holy Bible. I am so sorry butt you MADE me tell this old chestnut! " What happened when the nun got pregnant? They fired the dirty old Canon."
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Post by Archelaus on Feb 10, 2018 23:51:09 GMT
1 Corinthians 15:50 explains "that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable." This is because heaven is a spiritual realm and our bodies are frail and mortal. As for Elijah's assumption, it's believed he and Enoch will be the two witnesses of Christ mentioned in Revelations 11 and will be given a final death.
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Post by shannondegroot on Feb 11, 2018 0:00:14 GMT
You really want people farting in heaven? I have heard that they have litter boxes paved with gold! Cats go to the Rainbow Bridge.
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Post by goz on Feb 11, 2018 0:10:04 GMT
I have heard that they have litter boxes paved with gold! Cats go to the Rainbow Bridge. No, sorry, that is only for dogs.
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Post by shannondegroot on Feb 11, 2018 0:11:54 GMT
Cats go to the Rainbow Bridge. No, sorry, that is only for dogs. I have to strongly disagree. My cats & dogs have gone across.
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Post by goz on Feb 11, 2018 0:17:09 GMT
No, sorry, that is only for dogs. I have to strongly disagree. My cats & dogs have gone across. I am sorry to have to inform you that cat's refuse to go. Have you ever heard the expression "herding cats'? The St Peter equivalent of the Rainbow Bridge gave up millennia ago! They have alternate accommodation in the super heated swinging door food on demand version that has one slave per cat!
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Post by goz on Feb 11, 2018 5:26:37 GMT
In this day and age, it is really better if you answer your own deep and meaningful questions.
At least you know what answer you will get!
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Post by progressiveelement on Feb 12, 2018 16:21:39 GMT
So u don't realize you're imagining it, then write a shit song about it.
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