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Post by Terrapin Station on Feb 13, 2018 20:21:51 GMT
tpfkar You're simply advertising that you don't read very well. I'm talking about the referents (that's not a misspelling, it's the plural of the word "referent") of the word "evolution," per usage conventions (well, at least educated usage conventions). Evolution doesn't pick anything, ever-gibbering dude. "Education" aside. You're simply advertising that you don't read very well."The term 'x' picks out y" is another way of saying that the referent (or a referent) of 'x' is y. Are you denying that words have referents (at least functionally)?
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Post by cupcakes on Feb 13, 2018 20:23:09 GMT
tpfkar Hopefully Joe wouldn't say that because it's a rambling mess. Evolution in a positive direction is progress just as we might say devolution, or evolution in a negative direction would be a setback. And no, what the utterly bent who quibble that their "flourishing" might not be positive think doesn't change the weight one whit. 1) I don't care what you think is "fruitful" or not, of course. 2) The reply was specifically to your reply again nattering on "subjective", when all judgement is subjective, yapping about objective weights which don't exist, and silly gassing like nothing "really" counts as progress. 3) In fact we can and do attach the notion of progress to evolution in a positive direction. 4) It's a fact that those listed things, much like flourishing are all considered positives by those we consider to be halfway not bent. 5) Regardless of what you'd like, gassing about "it's popular" doesn't magically equalize any bent "opinion" anybody has. I have no problem with somebody having sex with a four-year-old as long as the four-year-old can and does consent per the criteria I gave for consent above.Are you afraid to let me hear your voice, by the way? You didn't respond to my private message. "We should talk on the phone sometime. I'd be fascinated to hear your voice/how you talk . . . I just probably wouldn't trust you if I were to give you my number first --that you wouldn't just post it on the public board, and I don't want people calling me incessantly. And I don't know if you'd trust me to give me your number first, although I definitely wouldn't post your nunber."Such a suave and totally-not-creepy dude. If somebody has sex with a person who's passed out, without consent beforehand, but doesn't cause any injuries (suppose the victim doesn't even realize what's happened until being informed afterwards, say because somebody took a video of the incident), what do you think the appropriate punishment would be? Probably not more than, say, 40 hours of community service. (And by the way, I'd make community service basically be free labor on public works projects.)
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Post by Lugh on Feb 13, 2018 20:26:34 GMT
tpfkar Are you afraid to let me hear your voice, by the way? You didn't respond to my private message. "We should talk on the phone sometime. I'd be fascinated to hear your voice/how you talk . . . I just probably wouldn't trust you if I were to give you my number first --that you wouldn't just post it on the public board, and I don't want people calling me incessantly. And I don't know if you'd trust me to give me your number first, although I definitely wouldn't post your nunber."Such a suave and totally-not-creepy dude. If somebody has sex with a person who's passed out, without consent beforehand, but doesn't cause any injuries (suppose the victim doesn't even realize what's happened until being informed afterwards, say because somebody took a video of the incident), what do you think the appropriate punishment would be? Probably not more than, say, 40 hours of community service. (And by the way, I'd make community service basically be free labor on public works projects.)I am surprised somebody who gives the impression that they dont like you and that they think you are an idiot would want to speak to you on the phone.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Feb 13, 2018 20:42:00 GMT
tpfkar Are you afraid to let me hear your voice, by the way? You didn't respond to my private message. "We should talk on the phone sometime. I'd be fascinated to hear your voice/how you talk . . . I just probably wouldn't trust you if I were to give you my number first --that you wouldn't just post it on the public board, and I don't want people calling me incessantly. And I don't know if you'd trust me to give me your number first, although I definitely wouldn't post your nunber."Such a suave and totally-not-creepy dude. If somebody has sex with a person who's passed out, without consent beforehand, but doesn't cause any injuries (suppose the victim doesn't even realize what's happened until being informed afterwards, say because somebody took a video of the incident), what do you think the appropriate punishment would be? Probably not more than, say, 40 hours of community service. (And by the way, I'd make community service basically be free labor on public works projects.)So yes, you are afraid. And again, I'm a fan of creepiness. So calling me creepy, if anything, will be seen as a compliment.
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Post by cupcakes on Feb 13, 2018 20:43:23 GMT
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Post by Terrapin Station on Feb 13, 2018 20:44:29 GMT
tpfkar "We should talk on the phone sometime. I'd be fascinated to hear your voice/how you talk . . . I just probably wouldn't trust you if I were to give you my number first --that you wouldn't just post it on the public board, and I don't want people calling me incessantly. And I don't know if you'd trust me to give me your number first, although I definitely wouldn't post your nunber."Such a suave and totally-not-creepy dude. If somebody has sex with a person who's passed out, without consent beforehand, but doesn't cause any injuries (suppose the victim doesn't even realize what's happened until being informed afterwards, say because somebody took a video of the incident), what do you think the appropriate punishment would be? Probably not more than, say, 40 hours of community service. (And by the way, I'd make community service basically be free labor on public works projects.)I am surprised somebody who gives the impression that they dont like you and that they think you are an idiot would want to speak to you on the phone. I'm actually very straightfoward/forthright. "I'd be fascinated to hear your voice/how you talk" is true. And I never hold a grudge against anyone. Another reason I'd like to talk to him on the phone instead, if not in person (I don't suppose he lives anywhere near me) is that I'm betting he would be a bit more conversational rather than playing the sorts of games he usually plays via posts.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Feb 13, 2018 20:45:19 GMT
Is "the referent of 'x' is y" gibberish to you?
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Post by cupcakes on Feb 13, 2018 20:46:42 GMT
tpfkar "We should talk on the phone sometime. I'd be fascinated to hear your voice/how you talk . . . I just probably wouldn't trust you if I were to give you my number first --that you wouldn't just post it on the public board, and I don't want people calling me incessantly. And I don't know if you'd trust me to give me your number first, although I definitely wouldn't post your nunber."Such a suave and totally-not-creepy dude. If somebody has sex with a person who's passed out, without consent beforehand, but doesn't cause any injuries (suppose the victim doesn't even realize what's happened until being informed afterwards, say because somebody took a video of the incident), what do you think the appropriate punishment would be? Probably not more than, say, 40 hours of community service. (And by the way, I'd make community service basically be free labor on public works projects.) So yes, you are afraid. And again, I'm a fan of creepiness. So calling me creepy, if anything, will be seen as a compliment. So yes, you're creepy-demented. Why in the hell would I want to talk to you? And I don't mind complimenting your creepy pedo rape predatory thoughts. I have no problem with somebody having sex with a four-year-old as long as the four-year-old can and does consent per the criteria I gave for consent above.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Feb 13, 2018 21:17:08 GMT
tpfkar So yes, you are afraid. And again, I'm a fan of creepiness. So calling me creepy, if anything, will be seen as a compliment. So yes, you're creepy-demented. Why in the hell would I want to talk to you? And I don't mind complimenting your creepy pedo rape predatory thoughts. I have no problem with somebody having sex with a four-year-old as long as the four-year-old can and does consent per the criteria I gave for consent above.You're certainly talking to me here. Why are you doing that?
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Post by cupcakes on Feb 13, 2018 21:17:36 GMT
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Post by goz on Feb 14, 2018 0:35:23 GMT
Saying "morality is evolving therefore its subjective" is like saying "our models of the universe has evolved therefore it is subjective". If you think geocentrism is wrong is a fact then you are in fact wrong! No, it is not like that at all. Morality IS evolving and IS subjective. whereas you are confusing our increasing knowledge of the facts about the universe having changed with increasing technology and advances scientific method practice. Geocentrism has been proven wrong.
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Post by Lugh on Feb 14, 2018 11:56:06 GMT
Saying "morality is evolving therefore its subjective" is like saying "our models of the universe has evolved therefore it is subjective". If you think geocentrism is wrong is a fact then you are in fact wrong! No, it is not like that at all. Morality IS evolving and IS subjective. whereas you are confusing our increasing knowledge of the facts about the universe having changed with increasing technology and advances scientific method practice. Geocentrism has been proven wrong. Why couldnt I just say "you are confusing our increasing knowledge of what is right and wrong with subjectivnesss"?
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Post by Terrapin Station on Feb 14, 2018 12:34:53 GMT
No, it is not like that at all. Morality IS evolving and IS subjective. whereas you are confusing our increasing knowledge of the facts about the universe having changed with increasing technology and advances scientific method practice. Geocentrism has been proven wrong. Why couldnt I just say "you are confusing our increasing knowledge of what is right and wrong with subjectivnesss"? You could say anything you like, anything that you are physically capable of saying. Of course, you'd be wrong if you said the above, but you could say it.
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Post by Lugh on Feb 14, 2018 12:37:53 GMT
Why couldnt I just say "you are confusing our increasing knowledge of what is right and wrong with subjectivnesss"? You could say anything you like, anything that you are physically capable of saying. Of course, you'd be wrong if you said the above, but you could say it. Yeah......I know. I didn't mean it literally.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Feb 14, 2018 12:53:54 GMT
You could say anything you like, anything that you are physically capable of saying. Of course, you'd be wrong if you said the above, but you could say it. Yeah......I know. I didn't mean it literally. You'd have to explain then.
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Post by Lugh on Feb 14, 2018 12:56:49 GMT
Yeah......I know. I didn't mean it literally. You'd have to explain then. When someone says "Why cant I just say x" in the above context they are providing an analogy and asking how that is any different,
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Post by Terrapin Station on Feb 14, 2018 13:09:21 GMT
You'd have to explain then. When someone says "Why cant I just say x" in the above context they are providing an analogy and asking how that is any different, Ah, well there's not a problem with the form of "You're confusing x with y" is there? It's just a matter of the content, whether the things really obtain, are really separate or not, whether the person is really confusing the two different things, etc. "You're confusing Richard and Robert" might be true of someone, where there are identical twins, Richard and Robert, and so on, but maybe there's a problem with "You're confusing Bob and Robert," for example , where it turns out that they're the same person, and instead the person who said "You're confusing Bob and Robert" mistakenly thought the two names referred to two different people.
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Post by Lugh on Feb 14, 2018 13:16:36 GMT
When someone says "Why cant I just say x" in the above context they are providing an analogy and asking how that is any different, Ah, well there's not a problem with the form of "You're confusing x with y" is there? It's just a matter of the content, whether the things really obtain, are really separate or not, whether the person is really confusing the two different things, etc. "You're confusing Richard and Robert" might be true of someone, where there are identical twins, Richard and Robert, and so on, but maybe there's a problem with "You're confusing Bob and Robert," for example , where it turns out that they're the same person, and instead the person who said "You're confusing Bob and Robert" mistakenly thought the two names referred to two different people. I am not really sure where you are going with all of this. How does this pertain to the topic at hand?
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Post by Terrapin Station on Feb 14, 2018 13:43:28 GMT
Ah, well there's not a problem with the form of "You're confusing x with y" is there? It's just a matter of the content, whether the things really obtain, are really separate or not, whether the person is really confusing the two different things, etc. "You're confusing Richard and Robert" might be true of someone, where there are identical twins, Richard and Robert, and so on, but maybe there's a problem with "You're confusing Bob and Robert," for example , where it turns out that they're the same person, and instead the person who said "You're confusing Bob and Robert" mistakenly thought the two names referred to two different people. I am not really sure where you are going with all of this. How does this pertain to the topic at hand? I'm trying to understand why you suggested a "You're confusing x with y" analogy that you believe is false.
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Post by Lugh on Feb 14, 2018 13:47:51 GMT
I am not really sure where you are going with all of this. How does this pertain to the topic at hand? I'm trying to understand why you suggested a "You're confusing x with y" analogy that you believe is false. I dont see how moral statements are any different to any other statement about the world. Moral facts are just like scientific facts.
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