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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 7:17:02 GMT
Is The Legion's Real Mission to Save Supergirl? comicbook.com/dc/2018/02/11/supergirl-legion-of-super-heroes-real-mission-save-supergirl/As we found out in the last episode of 'Supergirl' Saturn Girl has been keeping a secret from Mon El and the real reason the Legion are there in our time is for something of much higher importance and many are saying it could be to save Supergirl. I think it might have something to do with Lilith who was mentioned in one of the recent episodes and for those of you who are unfamiliar with the comic books Lilith was the Mother of All Demons and she sent demons like her son, Carnivore and Baalzebub, the Lord of Flies to kill Supergirl and when they were unsuccessful Lilith went face to face with Supergirl herself and nearly killed her. I have said before Lilith would be an interesting addition to this show 'cause it would bring demons and the Horror elements that have long been featured in 'Supergirl' comic books going back to the 70s but have never been played out on screen into the show and would also bring Lucifer into it. If the Legion are there to save Supergirl or warn her of a bigger threat it is most likely Lilith with their mention of the character.
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Post by dazz on Feb 13, 2018 9:35:09 GMT
I think I missed the Lilith mention when was it? Also they couldn't use Lucifer at all as he's licensed to Fox and cross promoting those shows would be next to impossible, also I don't think the plan will have to do with saving Kara, if it was why hide it from Mon-El, why take Mon-El if you have to hide it from him he's not like some powerhouse they absolutely need to take with them, his powers are Kryptonian litem the only explanation for doing that is it has something to do with Mon-El and him being on earth in 2018 at least, other than that I got no clue, also the whole arranged marriage them simply growing to care for each other comes out of left field imo, they did little if any set up for this, am I the only one though?
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Post by BexxyJ on Feb 15, 2018 13:20:40 GMT
Yes and it is Amy Jackson's mission to save the show. As long as she is in the show we all have something to tune in for.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 6:26:46 GMT
I think I missed the Lilith mention when was it? Also they couldn't use Lucifer at all as he's licensed to Fox and cross promoting those shows would be next to impossible, also I don't think the plan will have to do with saving Kara, if it was why hide it from Mon-El, why take Mon-El if you have to hide it from him he's not like some powerhouse they absolutely need to take with them, his powers are Kryptonian litem the only explanation for doing that is it has something to do with Mon-El and him being on earth in 2018 at least, other than that I got no clue, also the whole arranged marriage them simply growing to care for each other comes out of left field imo, they did little if any set up for this, am I the only one though? Lilith was mentioned a few episodes ago when they were on Fort Rozz and they talked about her as being somebody ancient and I don't think she would have been mentioned unless they are planning on using her. It is interesting to note she has been added to the 'Arrowverse' Wiki page now too and they describe her as a demon and one of the Sisters of Eve who chose an eternity as goddesses of Hell over a lifetime of obedience on Earth. She was also mentioned in an episode of 'Constantine' and it is possible they were planning to use her on that like they were planning to use Zatanna and Traci Thirteen but we know that never happened 'cause it was cancelled. Lilith is a good choice for the villain of the next season and would bring something new to the show. Also, the Lucifer that was in 'Supergirl' wasn't the same as the Lucifer in the TV show and looked more demonic so I think they should be able to use him especially since 'Supernatural' can.
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Post by dazz on Feb 18, 2018 6:47:46 GMT
I think I missed the Lilith mention when was it? Also they couldn't use Lucifer at all as he's licensed to Fox and cross promoting those shows would be next to impossible, also I don't think the plan will have to do with saving Kara, if it was why hide it from Mon-El, why take Mon-El if you have to hide it from him he's not like some powerhouse they absolutely need to take with them, his powers are Kryptonian litem the only explanation for doing that is it has something to do with Mon-El and him being on earth in 2018 at least, other than that I got no clue, also the whole arranged marriage them simply growing to care for each other comes out of left field imo, they did little if any set up for this, am I the only one though? Lilith was mentioned a few episodes ago when they were on Fort Rozz and they talked about her as being somebody ancient and I don't think she would have been mentioned unless they are planning on using her. It is interesting to note she has been added to the 'Arrowverse' Wiki page now too and they describe her as a demon and one of the Sisters of Eve who chose an eternity as goddesses of Hell over a lifetime of obedience on Earth. She was also mentioned in an episode of 'Constantine' and it is possible they were planning to use her on that like they were planning to use Zatanna and Traci Thirteen but we know that never happened 'cause it was cancelled. Lilith is a good choice for the villain of the next season and would bring something new to the show. Also, the Lucifer that was in 'Supergirl' wasn't the same as the Lucifer in the TV show and looked more demonic so I think they should be able to use him especially since 'Supernatural' can. Well Supernatural use Lucifer as in the public domain variant and added their own flavour to it, but if Supergirl were to use the version DC owns the rights to then I doubt that will fly as Fox has the licensing rights to that I would assume, unless it's produced by DC and simply distributed by Fox, but if Fox holds the rights to the DC version for their show then I don't see how Supergirl could use the character.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 12:38:57 GMT
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Post by BexxyJ on Feb 20, 2018 15:08:10 GMT
That guy in the coat looks fucking creepy. He reminds me of one of those vampires on Buffy and Angel that took people outside of nightclubs and when they thought nobody would see them they would turn into vampires and suck their blood. Vampires would be fun but can Supergirl kill a vampire?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2018 12:29:18 GMT
That guy in the coat looks fucking creepy. He reminds me of one of those vampires on Buffy and Angel that took people outside of nightclubs and when they thought nobody would see them they would turn into vampires and suck their blood. Vampires would be fun but can Supergirl kill a vampire? He does look creepy which is why I think he would be a good choice for the show and something a lot of non Supergirl fans don't realise is there is a long history of Horror themes in the 'Supergirl' comic books as I mentioned above and I would like to see some of them incorporated into the show and have some of her Horror villains 'cause it would be a very refreshing change and something I don't think we have seen in a show like this before. In the comic books with Linda Danvers when she faced vampires she could kill them but they weren't easy to kill and were a challenge especially when there were a lot of them. The demons were the bigger challenge 'cause some of them were huge and could throw Supergirl around and destroy buildings and step on people.
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Post by dazz on Feb 23, 2018 14:31:57 GMT
That guy in the coat looks fucking creepy. He reminds me of one of those vampires on Buffy and Angel that took people outside of nightclubs and when they thought nobody would see them they would turn into vampires and suck their blood. Vampires would be fun but can Supergirl kill a vampire? He does look creepy which is why I think he would be a good choice for the show and something a lot of non Supergirl fans don't realise is there is a long history of Horror themes in the 'Supergirl' comic books as I mentioned above and I would like to see some of them incorporated into the show and have some of her Horror villains 'cause it would be a very refreshing change and something I don't think we have seen in a show like this before. In the comic books with Linda Danvers when she faced vampires she could kill them but they weren't easy to kill and were a challenge especially when there were a lot of them. The demons were the bigger challenge 'cause some of them were huge and could throw Supergirl around and destroy buildings and step on people. Is that the Supergirl that's not Kryptonian though because that's the thing imo unless you do it for an easter egg like in a crossover or as a dream or augmented reality scenario you shouldn't cross over the supernatural Supergirl stuff into the sci-fi one, unless we get a cool as shit Earth-49 or some arbitrary number Supergirl who is Linda Danvers and is supernatural based coming to our Supergirl's earth to take down one of these big threats that escaped her world and we get a duel Supergirl team up, other Supergirl should be a different actress and not just MB playing duel roles though, cause it's CW and their dumb enough to try and have the 2 supergirls be identical in look despite them needing 2 be separate people except for their hero/code name.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Feb 23, 2018 14:53:30 GMT
Supernatural elements are a big part of DC comics; and magic is one of the few weaknesses Kryptonians are known to have. It's not nearly as explored with Superman as you might think it would be - especially considering how often thr Kryptonite McGuffin is used. Exploring those themes with Supergirl and the DEO could be a good way to differentiate between her and her cousin.
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Post by dazz on Feb 23, 2018 15:38:15 GMT
Supernatural elements are a big part of DC comics; and magic is one of the few weaknesses Kryptonians are known to have. It's not nearly as explored with Superman as you might think it would be - especially considering how often thr Kryptonite McGuffin is used. Exploring those themes with Supergirl and the DEO could be a good way to differentiate between her and her cousin. With the comics it can work fine but what CW DC shows has majorly shifted their tones and it be received well?
The benefit of the CW shows is they set up the multiverse so you can bring in different elements for specific things but each show at it's core should stay true to itself, this also allows for the shows to crossover when they want to bring those elements around more for each show.
Using some magic is fine for Supergirl but to like I said throw a bunch of a entirely different version of Supergirl's stuff at this one doesn't work imo, but the could introduce that version via the multiverse and have the two team up and maybe it could work as a backdoor pilot of sorts for that show which I'm sure Deb would love, as I think that version also had a different name/title than just Supergirl so you can do it and avoid much confusion.
Also doesn't this all become a stupid issue if magic can hurt Supergirl by bypassing her powers doesn't a long standing supernatural threat to a Kryptonian Supergirl render her mostly useless? it's great for a 1 off episode or a 2-3 ep arc but any more than that and it runs things into the ground and these shows tend to do that as is for normal villains or problems that you could draw out longer, so making a major thing out of a predicament that is already on a timer doesn't work imo, which I maybe wrong but that's just my feeling.
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Post by General Kenobi on Feb 24, 2018 15:06:41 GMT
Magic, if handled right, could be interesting and provide a challenge to Supergirl on how to fight it herself.
But I don't have faith in the writers of this show to handle it right or make it a proper challenge Supergirl solves on her own.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 11:51:46 GMT
He does look creepy which is why I think he would be a good choice for the show and something a lot of non Supergirl fans don't realise is there is a long history of Horror themes in the 'Supergirl' comic books as I mentioned above and I would like to see some of them incorporated into the show and have some of her Horror villains 'cause it would be a very refreshing change and something I don't think we have seen in a show like this before. In the comic books with Linda Danvers when she faced vampires she could kill them but they weren't easy to kill and were a challenge especially when there were a lot of them. The demons were the bigger challenge 'cause some of them were huge and could throw Supergirl around and destroy buildings and step on people. Is that the Supergirl that's not Kryptonian though because that's the thing imo unless you do it for an easter egg like in a crossover or as a dream or augmented reality scenario you shouldn't cross over the supernatural Supergirl stuff into the sci-fi one, unless we get a cool as shit Earth-49 or some arbitrary number Supergirl who is Linda Danvers and is supernatural based coming to our Supergirl's earth to take down one of these big threats that escaped her world and we get a duel Supergirl team up, other Supergirl should be a different actress and not just MB playing duel roles though, cause it's CW and their dumb enough to try and have the 2 supergirls be identical in look despite them needing 2 be separate people except for their hero/code name. Yes. A number of those villains were from the Supergirl/ Linda Danvers series but Supergirl/ Kara Zor-El also featured a number of Horror characters in comic books going back to the 70s and Supergirl faced zombies, monsters, vampires, werwolves, green aliens with giant teeth that ate people and sludge monsters like Decay that come from the sewers. A lot of people who have never read the comic books don't realise just how many villains she has had over the years and while a number of them were one off villains that were never used again after the issue they appeared there are some that have appeared in over 50 issues and have also gone on to appear in other series. I think a lot of them could work on screen if they handled them right and even with a character like Comet I think if they were to make him more like the latter versions we saw in the Supergirl/Linda Danvers series and had him as a shapeshifter who could turn into a horse or a character that was cursed to live as a horse for years like Salem in 'Sabrina the Teenage Witch' that becomes human again it could work. I am not sure if CW will ever use Linda Danvers though but Melissa has said they plan on using Power Girl and she is one character I feel needs to appear 'cause she was such a big part of the comic books and appeared in more issues than any other character named Supergirl aside from Superman.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 11:53:36 GMT
Magic, if handled right, could be interesting and provide a challenge to Supergirl on how to fight it herself. But I don't have faith in the writers of this show to handle it right or make it a proper challenge Supergirl solves on her own. After looking at how they used it with Damian Dhark in Season 4 of 'Arrow' and 'DC's Legends of Tomorrow' it is worrying but they have pulled it off with Constantine and I think an episode of 'Supergirl' with Zatanna appearing could work.
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Post by General Kenobi on Mar 20, 2018 17:29:57 GMT
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Post by dazz on Mar 20, 2018 17:58:35 GMT
Is that the Supergirl that's not Kryptonian though because that's the thing imo unless you do it for an easter egg like in a crossover or as a dream or augmented reality scenario you shouldn't cross over the supernatural Supergirl stuff into the sci-fi one, unless we get a cool as shit Earth-49 or some arbitrary number Supergirl who is Linda Danvers and is supernatural based coming to our Supergirl's earth to take down one of these big threats that escaped her world and we get a duel Supergirl team up, other Supergirl should be a different actress and not just MB playing duel roles though, cause it's CW and their dumb enough to try and have the 2 supergirls be identical in look despite them needing 2 be separate people except for their hero/code name. Yes. A number of those villains were from the Supergirl/ Linda Danvers series but Supergirl/ Kara Zor-El also featured a number of Horror characters in comic books going back to the 70s and Supergirl faced zombies, monsters, vampires, werwolves, green aliens with giant teeth that ate people and sludge monsters like Decay that come from the sewers. A lot of people who have never read the comic books don't realise just how many villains she has had over the years and while a number of them were one off villains that were never used again after the issue they appeared there are some that have appeared in over 50 issues and have also gone on to appear in other series. I think a lot of them could work on screen if they handled them right and even with a character like Comet I think if they were to make him more like the latter versions we saw in the Supergirl/Linda Danvers series and had him as a shapeshifter who could turn into a horse or a character that was cursed to live as a horse for years like Salem in 'Sabrina the Teenage Witch' that becomes human again it could work. I am not sure if CW will ever use Linda Danvers though but Melissa has said they plan on using Power Girl and she is one character I feel needs to appear 'cause she was such a big part of the comic books and appeared in more issues than any other character named Supergirl aside from Superman.
That's the problem though would they handle them right? I mean the Legion imo is an easy idea to do right but look at how they handled that, which is my point with a lot of this it's not that there's no way it could be done right, but theres little chance these butt monkeys would do it right, that's also why I say to do it right for this show it needs to be either a dream or false reality scenario or bring in the supernatural Supergirl from a magic dominated world, because with that you can go fuck the rules we set these are the rules for now and it not be an issue really, but trusting these lunkheads to inject the supernatural into this show which is so sci-fi based I don't think will work because they will cock so much up.
They could also set that up easily or you know use a Linda villain as a VOTW by just having Mr M...I don't know how to spell his name tbh, turn up and create said villain either because he's mad or because he's bored and been watching horror movies, as he allows you to bend the logic for an episode without having to worry about it effects the future.
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Post by General Kenobi on Mar 21, 2018 10:43:08 GMT
Magic hasn't been handled the best on the other Arrowverse shows. There are little to know rules, and the ones we do have have been broken. I don't see this show changing that trend.
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Post by dazz on Mar 21, 2018 18:00:15 GMT
That what happens when you have 4-5 shows *including the CW seed shows* existing in one universe but all with very different styles, rules or sensibility's, it can be done if you are smart but the CW writers aren't that smart and are often lazy, which is why you can get people asking questions with obvious answers but the shows just never bother to even hint at the solution. So glad the intellect of the discusions on here are higher than that on the old IMDB boards, god I got sick of seeing people ask why don't the time wraiths attack the legends, now we can discuss more important things, such as...do you think Ray can bone daughter Dahrk into being a good girl? maybe all she needed was a good humping
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Post by General Kenobi on Mar 22, 2018 0:11:16 GMT
Yeah, that's the big weakness of the CW shows. The makers are lazy and more ambitious than they are clever. And they seem to think they can pull one over the fans, while we all know the emperor is wearing no clothes.
And I agree with you about the caliber of posts on this board. Lot of clever and insightful posters here.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 13:01:49 GMT
Yes. A number of those villains were from the Supergirl/ Linda Danvers series but Supergirl/ Kara Zor-El also featured a number of Horror characters in comic books going back to the 70s and Supergirl faced zombies, monsters, vampires, werwolves, green aliens with giant teeth that ate people and sludge monsters like Decay that come from the sewers. A lot of people who have never read the comic books don't realise just how many villains she has had over the years and while a number of them were one off villains that were never used again after the issue they appeared there are some that have appeared in over 50 issues and have also gone on to appear in other series. I think a lot of them could work on screen if they handled them right and even with a character like Comet I think if they were to make him more like the latter versions we saw in the Supergirl/Linda Danvers series and had him as a shapeshifter who could turn into a horse or a character that was cursed to live as a horse for years like Salem in 'Sabrina the Teenage Witch' that becomes human again it could work. I am not sure if CW will ever use Linda Danvers though but Melissa has said they plan on using Power Girl and she is one character I feel needs to appear 'cause she was such a big part of the comic books and appeared in more issues than any other character named Supergirl aside from Superman.
That's the problem though would they handle them right? I mean the Legion imo is an easy idea to do right but look at how they handled that, which is my point with a lot of this it's not that there's no way it could be done right, but theres little chance these butt monkeys would do it right, that's also why I say to do it right for this show it needs to be either a dream or false reality scenario or bring in the supernatural Supergirl from a magic dominated world, because with that you can go fuck the rules we set these are the rules for now and it not be an issue really, but trusting these lunkheads to inject the supernatural into this show which is so sci-fi based I don't think will work because they will cock so much up.
They could also set that up easily or you know use a Linda villain as a VOTW by just having Mr M...I don't know how to spell his name tbh, turn up and create said villain either because he's mad or because he's bored and been watching horror movies, as he allows you to bend the logic for an episode without having to worry about it effects the future.
That is a worrying question when you look at how they have handled everything else so far but I don't know, I still think the main problem with 'Supergirl' is the writers and if they were to change the writers and showrunners and move the show into another direction they could really turn it around and do a lot of things but that is probably not going to happen. They haven't really established the existence of the supernatural in 'Supergirl' yet either and that was the major difference with the comic books 'cause going back to the early issues of 'Supergirl' you had Horror themes and Horror characters and they were always there before Peter David brought Linda Danvers in and merged her with the Matrix but they hadn't fully explored them until then. However, that hasn't stopped them from introducing things before and until 'The Flash' there were no real superpowers like that in the 'Arrowverse' and they brought that in with 'The Flash' so they could have done it with 'Supergirl' especially being in another universe but they appear to have waited too long. There was one post of yours I can't seem to find now that I was going to answer in regards to award shows and 'Supergirl' and I think the CW Network does take Award shows seriously 'cause they cancelled 'Jane the Virgin' and renewed it when it got up for an award.
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