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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 13, 2018 15:47:03 GMT
It is the best way to watch media so in that area, it is a success.
Streaming has not caught up to the picture quality imo.
I don;t know why anyone would watch a movie on regular DVD that can be watched on Blu-Ray.
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Post by Vegas on Feb 13, 2018 15:57:06 GMT
It is the best way to watch media so in that area, it is a success. Streaming has not caught up to the picture quality imo. I don;t know why anyone would watch a movie on regular DVD that can be watched on Blu-Ray. 4K is the best way now....
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 13, 2018 16:01:13 GMT
It is the best way to watch media so in that area, it is a success. Streaming has not caught up to the picture quality imo. I don;t know why anyone would watch a movie on regular DVD that can be watched on Blu-Ray. 4K is the best way now.... 4K Blu-Ray. I like the picture better from the disc than streaming and that's with a normal Blu-Ray. I was thinking of buying a cheap XBox One for the 4K player but am still pretty pleased with the Bu-ray picture quality. Maybe on my next decked out TV...
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Post by Vegas on Feb 13, 2018 16:09:10 GMT
Maybe on my next decked out TV... The shitty thing is.. When you finally make the transition to 4K... the very next day SuperK Red-Ray will come out..... and your system is obsolete again.
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Post by Spike Del Rey on Feb 13, 2018 16:16:28 GMT
VHS was phased out once DVD's hit the market because **news flash** you can't play a VHS on a DVD player...whereas you can still play DVD's in a Blu-ray player. I've upgraded most of my titles to Blu-ray, but not all of them are available. I would imagine most people who buy physical media at this point choose Blu-ray if they have the option.
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Post by darkknightofgotham on Feb 13, 2018 16:23:31 GMT
It's the best sure way to watch a film at home. Most consumers don't care about what's 'best' they just go for what's cheaper or convenient.
Streaming and DVDs don't offer the picture or audio quality that blu ray has, but that doesn't stop them from choosing those.
Why did Betamax fail to VHS? It was the better product, but people chose VHS because it was cheaper.
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Post by Vegas on Feb 13, 2018 16:27:02 GMT
VHS was phased out once DVD's hit the market because **news flash** you can't play a VHS on a DVD player...whereas you can still play DVD's in a Blu-ray player. I've upgraded most of my titles to Blu-ray, but not all of them are available. I would imagine most people who buy physical media at this point choose Blu-ray if they have the option. DING! DING! DING! WE HAVE A WINNAH!!! This.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 13, 2018 16:28:42 GMT
Maybe on my next decked out TV... The shitty thing is.. When you finally make the transition to 4K... the very next day SuperK Red-Ray will come out..... and your obsolete again. unfortunately, my eyes will be too bad to justify the buying of it.
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Post by Vegas on Feb 13, 2018 16:38:35 GMT
DING! DING! DING! WE HAVE A WINNAH!!! This. Not really. Did millions of VHS players suddenly disappear? Over night?... No... But, as you yourself pointed out... They were completely obsolete in five years as they were not compatible with new technology. DVD is still around... because it is. Is that really too hard of a concept to grasp?
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Post by MCDemuth on Feb 13, 2018 16:40:38 GMT
I don't think Blu-Ray is a "failure"... But...
You can't really compare "VHS vs DVD" to "DVD vs Blu-Ray"
The format war against HD DVD lasted a couple of years, and I know many people refused to start buying Blu-Rays until after the war was over. Meanwhile DVDs were still being purchased instead. I think some people just kept that up for a while...
Since Blu-Ray players could play DVDs, people saw no urgent reason to quickly make the switch and continued buying DVDs. They new they could still play that media years later on Blu-Ray players.
People who own DVD players/computer drives know that Blu-Ray discs won't play in them. You don't have a choice there. You have to buy DVDs for those... For some low income households, it may have been too costly to consider buying two or more Blu-Ray players to replace all the DVD players. And so, DVDs continue to be bought.
DVDs are cheaper than Blu-Rays. Many people prefers saving some extra cash for other things, or maybe to buy and extra DVD here and there.
People can praise Blu-Ray and 4K all they want, but it is a fact... that older science fiction media reveals cheap SFX, like wire work, on the newer media... and in some cases, up converting any older video to Blu-Ray makes it look worse... Especially TV Shows that were made on Video Tape. People may prefer DVDs because the video presentation is less offensive to them.
I know that many people including myself, do not care to see the germs inside the pores on the faces of the actors, when watching Blu-Ray and 4K. DVDs are more preferable, and least for most genres that don't require Special Effects.
And for those of us who don't have a large TV Screen sizes... It seems to be a waste of money to buy "4K" Discs, when you can't really enjoy the higher resolution video.
As long as studios continue to sell DVD only packaging... That is not going to force consumers to chose what options are left. When VHS was discontinued. They had no choice but to buy DVD. Not being able to play VHS Tapes in DVD Players helped too...
TV Show & Movie availability affects many buying decisions too... I know that many older Movies and TV Shows have NEVER been released on Blu-Ray (and 4K). Don't blame the consumer for this. We don't have a choice but to buy them on DVD! In some cases, they are not even on DVD, and some people still buy used VHS Tapes!
I still buy many DVDs for many of the reasons that I listed above. Personally, I try to buy the DVD/Blu-Ray combo packs, because my computers play DVDs, and I have family members who never purchased Blu-Ray players. It's nice to have the flexibility!
But I see no reason at this time, to jump on the 4K "niche market" since it's still very expensive, and the selection is still very limited. I have yet to see any TV Shows in 4K! So, Why should I even consider making the switch now?
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Post by koskiewicz on Feb 13, 2018 16:55:26 GMT
...to be honest, I cannot tell the difference between Blu-Ray and regular DVD. I own a Blue-Ray player and a high def 50 inch flat screen. I've watched both formats and cannot tell if there is any difference between the images...
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 13, 2018 17:01:39 GMT
...to be honest, I cannot tell the difference between Blu-Ray and regular DVD. I own a Blue-Ray player and a high def 50 inch flat screen. I've watched both formats and cannot tell if there is any difference between the images... Take advantage of that gift. being picture Nazis is a tough life. I have friends who don't even know what an HDMI cable is with TV's better than mine. I envy them although I never watch TV with them.
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Post by MCDemuth on Feb 13, 2018 17:05:03 GMT
There was obviously something about DVDs that made people look at their VHS tapes and consider them to be an inferior product. Yeah, The tape could "flex" and "stretch".... I hated it when something would go wrong, and the tape would get wound up inside the player then the tape would get permanently wrinkled. It would affect the future playing of the tape. I have yet to have a DVD get damaged from the DVD Player. The same handling & storage problems apply to both DVDs and Blu-Ray equally.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Feb 13, 2018 17:18:51 GMT
Blu-Ray isn't a failure, but it hasn't taken over the way some other media have because
(1) A lot of people, for a lot of films, can't see a significant enough--if any--difference in picture quality compared to DVD--this includes me, by the way
(2) Too many titles are still not available on Blu-Ray, so there's still a need for DVDs, where many more titles are available
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(3) Blu-Rays are typically more expensive. Given (1), a lot of people will opt for the DVD instead, especially if it's an older title, it's not special effects-laden, etc.
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Post by Vegas on Feb 13, 2018 17:32:11 GMT
Over night?... No... As, you yourself pointed out... They were completely obsolete in five years as they were not compatible with new technology. DVD is still around... because it is. Is that really too hard of a concept to grasp? OK so VHS died because you couldn't play them on a DVD player. But you could still play them on a VHS player. So everyone dumped their movie collection and spent hundreds to re-buy their collection only because VHS won't play on a DVD player? I think there's a little more to it than that. There was obviously something about DVDs that made people look at their VHS tapes and consider them to be an inferior product. But people aren't doing that with DVDs because they play on a Blu-ray player? So if there was a machine that played VHS and DVD (there is), people would still watch VHS? I don't think so. Jesus, Mary, Joseph... Yes. DVD is a newer, better technology. DVD doesn't rely on tapes that can get worn down and/or eaten in a VHS player....with better audio and visual quality. This new technology also had space for things like interactive menus... and special features like outtakes, commentaries, behind the scenes documentaries, and various audio options. Those things still exist when you play them on a Blu-Ray player. Blu-Ray doesn't make DVD as obsolete as DVD made VHS osbsolete.
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Post by politicidal on Feb 13, 2018 17:38:40 GMT
I'm honestly completely indifferent to Blu-ray.
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Post by Nalkarj on Feb 13, 2018 17:46:19 GMT
I got into a debate with a girl at the library checkout counter the other day because she didn’t believe that I owned such a thing as a DVD player that doesn’t play Blu-Ray discs. She apparently didn’t know that such a thing exists. Wow. Anyone want to guess what she’d think a VHS tape is?
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Post by ck100 on Feb 13, 2018 18:34:31 GMT
I think it's been a success.
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Post by vegalyra on Feb 13, 2018 19:43:59 GMT
The worst insult to mankind was when DVD first became available and the studios deemed it wise to still make "full screen" releases of new films that were obviously not filmed in 1.33:1 (4:3) aspect ratio. I remember people complaining about the black bars with DVD's that had the correct aspect ratio viewing on a 4:3 television. Sheesh. These same folks refuse to believe there is noticeable difference between 480i resolution and 1080p. Granted all blu ray discs are not created equal but if you have a quality HD television there should be a noticeable difference PQ wise. I will admit that many films made before the 1940's probably don't gain as much as later films, particularly those widescreen releases (Cinemascope, Vistavision, Todd-AO) made in the 1950's and early 1960's. Those typically look light years better than their DVD counterparts. View Sparatcus, Ben Hur, and Ten Commandments back to back with their previous DVD releases and you'll see what I mean. I think for the vast amount of people, streaming a modern film on a small iPad or phone is good enough for them. That is most likely why 4K or any future physical media will be relegated to the enthusiast like laserdisc was.
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Post by Marv on Feb 13, 2018 19:51:31 GMT
For a large portion of people physical media is dying altogether. I’ll still buy dvd and blu ray, but with so many different streaming sites and on demand options cropping up over the past several years I don’t think you’ll see another takeover the way dvd took over vhs. I think the physical copies will just die out the same way. It’s a shame really because there something to actually holding the product in your hand. I just think that’s where America at least is heading.
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