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Post by Cinemachinery on Feb 14, 2018 20:43:06 GMT
You realize microchips (as they stand) are just inserted under the skin in a fatty tissue area. They're removable in minutes in an out patient process. Valid points, except, as you've said, that's "as they stand," now and, in a dystopian society (which is our context), you would not be able to remove them in an out-patient process because that would be illegal. Then take heart - when women couldn't legally get abortions, they still got abortions. Sci-fi dystopian systems of oppression come hand in hand with the resistance!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 20:45:52 GMT
Valid points, except, as you've said, that's "as they stand," now and, in a dystopian society (which is our context), you would not be able to remove them in an out-patient process because that would be illegal. Then take heart - when women couldn't legally get abortions, they still got abortions. Sci-fi dystopian systems of oppression come hand in hand with the resistance! I should take heart in knowing that I can always resort to coat-hangering myself? I guess that's looking on the bright side!
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Post by Cinemachinery on Feb 14, 2018 20:50:07 GMT
Then take heart - when women couldn't legally get abortions, they still got abortions. Sci-fi dystopian systems of oppression come hand in hand with the resistance! I should take heart in knowing that I can always resort to coat-hangering myself? I guess that's looking on the bright side! It'll be more of a case of subjecting you to the Mark IV black market chip removal unit employed by the flesh mongers of Rigel VII, but there will be options.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 20:50:35 GMT
You realize microchips (as they stand) are just inserted under the skin in a fatty tissue area. They're removable in minutes in an out patient process. Valid points, except, as you've said, that's "as they stand," now and, in a dystopian society (which is our context), you would not be able to remove them in an out-patient process because that would be illegal. Why is a dystopian society suddenly "our" context? It's not my context. Not at all. I don't live in a dystopian society, and I see absolutely no likelihood of ever living in one. If the objection to these chips is that they could be problematic in a dystopian context, then there's no realistic objection to these chips at all.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Feb 14, 2018 20:54:52 GMT
Valid points, except, as you've said, that's "as they stand," now and, in a dystopian society (which is our context), you would not be able to remove them in an out-patient process because that would be illegal. Why is a dystopian society suddenly "our" context? I was joking about it being Erjen's context (because you know the man ain't just talking about paying for sodas at the company vending machine). In reality, it's easily removable, there's no intent to make it anything less than removable, few would cooperate were it irremovable, and a scenario in which no one had a choice is just a future suggested video on Erjen's Yewtewb sidebar. We can't even force people to buy less guns in America.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 21:53:52 GMT
I should take heart in knowing that I can always resort to coat-hangering myself? I guess that's looking on the bright side! It'll be more of a case of subjecting you to the Mark IV black market chip removal unit employed by the flesh mongers of Rigel VII, but there will be options. I commend you on this answer. I lol'd.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 21:55:25 GMT
Valid points, except, as you've said, that's "as they stand," now and, in a dystopian society (which is our context), you would not be able to remove them in an out-patient process because that would be illegal. Why is a dystopian society suddenly "our" context? It's not my context. Not at all. I don't live in a dystopian society, and I see absolutely no likelihood of ever living in one. If the objection to these chips is that they could be problematic in a dystopian context, then there's no realistic objection to these chips at all. Because it's the context the OP started when he created the thread. Who gives a fuck about your context? I don't live in a dystopia either. Not yet. That's the reason we're discussing a hypothetical one.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 22:14:03 GMT
Why is a dystopian society suddenly "our" context? It's not my context. Not at all. I don't live in a dystopian society, and I see absolutely no likelihood of ever living in one. If the objection to these chips is that they could be problematic in a dystopian context, then there's no realistic objection to these chips at all. Because it's the context the OP started when he created the thread. No it's not. He didn't say a word about dystopia. Me and anybody who live in the real world. So in other words, these things are a problem in a world that doesn't exist and likely never will. So nothing to worry about.
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Post by Arlon10 on Feb 14, 2018 22:16:26 GMT
A wallet and a phone you can't misplace -- but someone else can. Um, no, an implanted wallet would be harder to pickpocket, too. Another advantage. My, people are so sensitive about this subject. Who'da thunkit? You betray your ignorance of technology yet again and your unfounded faith in science. No one has to remove anything from under your skin to change code lines on devices anywhere. Remote control and all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 22:17:42 GMT
Because it's the context the OP started when he created the thread. No it's not. He didn't say a word about dystopia. <fart sound> Bible doesn't say a word about rapture or trinity, either. False. Also false. These things are not a problem in a world that does exist, but likely will become one. How about you decide what you should worry about and I'll decide what I should worry about?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 22:25:58 GMT
No it's not. He didn't say a word about dystopia. <fart sound> Bible doesn't say a word about rapture or trinity, either. Lol, nice reaching. False. What a wonderful idea. I'll think about actual stuff, and you worry about pixies and whatnot.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 22:40:50 GMT
<fart sound> Bible doesn't say a word about rapture or trinity, either. Lol, nice reaching. False. What a wonderful idea. I'll think about actual stuff, and you worry about pixies and whatnot. Right, because we wouldn't want to think about "not actual" things like chips and dystopias. Let's not concern ourselves with other "not actual" things like gravity.
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Post by gadreel on Feb 14, 2018 22:41:33 GMT
Bible doesn't say a word about rapture or trinity, either. Are you not a trinitarian?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 22:42:54 GMT
Bible doesn't say a word about rapture or trinity, either. Are you not a trinitarian? I believe in a trinity.
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Post by gadreel on Feb 14, 2018 22:44:30 GMT
Are you not a trinitarian? I believe in a trinity. Sweet, it's just you have previously implied that the bible is the source of truth, and now you are saying it does not talk about the trinity, just wondering.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 22:48:22 GMT
Sweet, it's just you have previously implied that the bible is the source of truth, and now you are saying it does not talk about the trinity, just wondering. The OP did not say the word "dystopia" in his post. But it's what he's talking about. The Bible doesn't say the words "trinity" or "rapture," but it talks about them.
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Post by gadreel on Feb 14, 2018 22:50:58 GMT
Sweet, it's just you have previously implied that the bible is the source of truth, and now you are saying it does not talk about the trinity, just wondering. The OP did not say the word "dystopia" in his post. But it's what he's talking about. The Bible doesn't say the words "trinity" or "rapture," but it talks about them. Ahh I see. Interesting, so we can actually infer a great amount from the bible that is not specifically written there?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 22:57:49 GMT
The OP did not say the word "dystopia" in his post. But it's what he's talking about. The Bible doesn't say the words "trinity" or "rapture," but it talks about them. Ahh I see. Interesting, so we can actually infer a great amount from the bible that is not specifically written there? No. You can read the stuff that is specifically written there and give it a name for convenience. Because if you didn't give it a name for the sake of convenience, you'd have to say "When it comes to that event that is described as 'For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord,' I totally believe in mid-trib." and that would be make you talk like some kind of asshole.
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Post by progressiveelement on Feb 14, 2018 23:15:32 GMT
You realize microchips (as they stand) are just inserted under the skin in a fatty tissue area. They're removable in minutes in an out patient process. Valid points, except, as you've said, that's "as they stand," now and, in a dystopian society (which is our context), you would not be able to remove them in an out-patient process because that would be illegal. Move to Chernobyl. The radiation will mess that shit up in seconds.
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Post by gadreel on Feb 14, 2018 23:23:23 GMT
Ahh I see. Interesting, so we can actually infer a great amount from the bible that is not specifically written there? No. You can read the stuff that is specifically written there and give it a name for convenience. Because if you didn't give it a name for the sake of convenience, you'd have to say "When it comes to that event that is described as 'For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord,' I totally believe in mid-trib." and that would be make you talk like some kind of asshole. But that has to be an interpretation, I mean there are scholars who believe that the revelation (for example) is actually an account of the fall of the first temple.
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