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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Feb 18, 2018 10:26:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 16:20:03 GMT
When you don't have a leg to stand on, yell "racist" or "sexist" and pretend you made a point.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Feb 18, 2018 17:42:38 GMT
When you don't have a leg to stand on, yell "racist" or "sexist" and pretend you made a point. The article points out that Abrams appears to have been talking specifically about the people who complain about these films because of the female lead. Believe it or not, people like that do exist, especially on YouTube and places like 4Chan.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Feb 18, 2018 18:13:09 GMT
When you don't have a leg to stand on, yell "racist" or "sexist" and pretend you made a point. The article points out that Abrams appears to have been talking specifically about the people who complain about these films because of the female lead. Believe it or not, people like that do exist, especially on YouTube and places like 4Chan. Yeah, there are those people who do hate Rey (and the other female characters) in this Disney trilogy just because they're women. But it's usually not too difficult to distinguish the difference between them and people who have genuine complaints about the characters. The misogynistic haters argument will quickly turn political and social with minimal context that actually addresses characterization, lore, and mythos issues. The author of the link article is clearly trying to put all complainers of TFA and TLJ in one stereotypical group. He's no better than the people he is addressing and criticizing in his article.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Feb 18, 2018 18:19:18 GMT
The article points out that Abrams appears to have been talking specifically about the people who complain about these films because of the female lead. Believe it or not, people like that do exist, especially on YouTube and places like 4Chan. Yeah, there are those people who do hate Rey (and the other female characters) in this Disney trilogy just because they're women. But it's usually not too difficult to distinguish the difference between them and people who have genuine complaints about the characters. The misogynistic haters argument will quickly turn political and social with minimal context that actually addresses characterization, lore, and mythos issues. The author of the link article is clearly trying to put all complainers of TFA and TLJ in one stereotypical group. He's no better than the people he is addressing and criticizing in his article. Is he really though? “To be fair, Abrams seems to be talking specifically about those who were vocally opposed to the female leads on the internet.”
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Feb 18, 2018 19:02:17 GMT
Sadly I'm not curious. It's just going to be more of the same. It's going to be another episode of "a Disney warrior princess in space". There will continue to be no respect for the lore and mythos. The nature of the Force has been replaced by Disney magic. There will continue to be supporting characters that they tease intrigue around... but prove to either have the depth of cardboard cutouts, - see Phasma, Hux (in TLJ), DJ, etc. ...or are thrown away without a grain of exposition. - see Snoke, the Knights of Ren, the lightsaber, etc. And they've already killed off most of the OT crossover characters. Some of them in ways were really disrespectful and disingenuous towards their true character as previously established. The attitudes from both the author and Abrams only reinforces what I'm saying. They have no intention of putting out something that is genuinely connected to SW. It's going to be about the typical Disney warrior princess story: her self-made virtues will be tested by some challenge that is important to everyone. And everyone's attention will be fixed on her as the savior. Her magic will give her invincible (over-the-top) plot armor, and will constantly scream her awesomeness and unchallengeableness. Her male counterpart, in this case Kylo, will prove to be either one of two things: - a villain who proves how inept he is in comparison to her; he loses badly because he didn't listen to her preaching about how he should change or how wrong he is; and he never had any business challenging her in the first place. OR... - he thought he was awesome but now realizes how little character he has in comparison to her and how inept he really is; he humbly thanks her for opening his eyes to these truths, proclaims her his savior and declares that she is the greatest thing since the dawn of time; he ends the story either becoming her sycophant and platonic fanboy, or romantically worshipping the ground she walks on. It's the same story that you find in any Disney animated movie made in the last 20 years with rare exceptions. And think about it... there's really nothing left to tell. Really! Think about the storylines and characters that TLJ closed out..... what is there left to tell? (Hint: the typical journey of the Disney warrior princess)
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Feb 18, 2018 19:10:16 GMT
Yeah, there are those people who do hate Rey (and the other female characters) in this Disney trilogy just because they're women. But it's usually not too difficult to distinguish the difference between them and people who have genuine complaints about the characters. The misogynistic haters argument will quickly turn political and social with minimal context that actually addresses characterization, lore, and mythos issues. The author of the link article is clearly trying to put all complainers of TFA and TLJ in one stereotypical group. He's no better than the people he is addressing and criticizing in his article. Is he really though? “To be fair, Abrams seems to be talking specifically about those who were vocally opposed to the female leads on the internet.” Well, perhaps Abrams was only addressing people who disliked the female leads simply because they're female. But the author is clearly lumping all complainers of TFA and TLJ into that category. He even acknowledges some complaint specifics that are not of misogynistic nature. But tries to say that it's still the source of all complaining anyway. He goes to try and stereotype all of them.
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Post by darkpast on Feb 18, 2018 19:31:05 GMT
He's right, and if don't like it, stop giving disney money
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Feb 18, 2018 20:37:01 GMT
He's right, and if don't like it, stop giving disney money He's wrong in saying that misogyny is the only reason for complaints. He's also wrong in saying that the OT had just as many plot holes. Or that they were as "gaping". That's simply not true. And there's been countless detailed posts on forums that prove it. The nonsensical argument that the only reason people find complaint in Rey (or other female characters) is misogyny also doesn't hold water. Many people who brought up valid issues about her character also had complaints with some of the male characters. Many of them are fans of strong female characters in other genres and franchises. As far as don't give Disney money... some of that may already be happening. TLJ fell a little short of box office expectations. A significant portion of the fanbase has been vocal. But only time will tell over the course of the next few releases.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 23:21:30 GMT
When you don't have a leg to stand on, yell "racist" or "sexist" and pretend you made a point. The article points out that Abrams appears to have been talking specifically about the people who complain about these films because of the female lead. Believe it or not, people like that do exist, especially on YouTube and places like 4Chan. I've been around the block. I know better. Abrams is a SJW and SJW are one-note Charlies. He thinks that anyone who doesn't like it is some kind of fascist. I can read between the lines.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 23:23:23 GMT
Yeah, there are those people who do hate Rey (and the other female characters) in this Disney trilogy just because they're women. But it's usually not too difficult to distinguish the difference between them and people who have genuine complaints about the characters. The misogynistic haters argument will quickly turn political and social with minimal context that actually addresses characterization, lore, and mythos issues. The author of the link article is clearly trying to put all complainers of TFA and TLJ in one stereotypical group. He's no better than the people he is addressing and criticizing in his article. Is he really though? “To be fair, Abrams seems to be talking specifically about those who were vocally opposed to the female leads on the internet.” Which is bullshit, because we can be critical of female leads without being misogynists. But that's the problem with liberals. All they ever do is compartmentalize arguments into sexist and racist terms. Don't blame me if I've grown accustomed to their tactics.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Feb 19, 2018 0:37:15 GMT
The article points out that Abrams appears to have been talking specifically about the people who complain about these films because of the female lead. Believe it or not, people like that do exist, especially on YouTube and places like 4Chan. I've been around the block. I know better. Abrams is a SJW and SJW are one-note Charlies. He thinks that anyone who doesn't like it is some kind of fascist. I can read between the lines. Don’t you think maybe calling someone an “SJW” is no better than calling someone a misogynist or a racist? It comes across as a straw man.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Feb 19, 2018 0:38:25 GMT
Is he really though? “To be fair, Abrams seems to be talking specifically about those who were vocally opposed to the female leads on the internet.” Which is bullshit, because we can be critical of female leads without being misogynists. But that's the problem with liberals. All they ever do is compartmentalize arguments into sexist and racist terms. Don't blame me if I've grown accustomed to their tactics. I don’t think anyone was suggesting that you can’t be critical of a lead who just so happens to be female. The problem is the people who are explicitly against having female leads on principle.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Feb 19, 2018 1:00:02 GMT
Rey is beta. No one had a problem with Ripley because she was alpha.
This is the real problem. Hollywood is going more and more beta and it is contrary to traditional storytelling.
But the people making the films are also beta. Abrams-man that guy is so beta. His first movie script was about Harrison Ford becoming a retard.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 1:12:29 GMT
I've been around the block. I know better. Abrams is a SJW and SJW are one-note Charlies. He thinks that anyone who doesn't like it is some kind of fascist. I can read between the lines. Don’t you think maybe calling someone an “SJW” is no better than calling someone a misogynist or a racist? It comes across as a straw man. It doesn't come across as a straw man in the least. If someone says something racist, call them a racist for all I care. Abrams is a SJW so I call him what he is.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Feb 19, 2018 1:13:53 GMT
Don’t you think maybe calling someone an “SJW” is no better than calling someone a misogynist or a racist? It comes across as a straw man. It doesn't come across as a straw man in the least. If someone says something racist, call them a racist for all I care. Abrams is a SJW so I call him what he is. What exactly makes him a “SJW”?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 1:14:56 GMT
Which is bullshit, because we can be critical of female leads without being misogynists. But that's the problem with liberals. All they ever do is compartmentalize arguments into sexist and racist terms. Don't blame me if I've grown accustomed to their tactics. I don’t think anyone was suggesting that you can’t be critical of a lead who just so happens to be female. The problem is the people who are explicitly against having female leads on principle. Well, that's funny, because on this site I've seen a lot of posters like Waxer n Boil make terrific criticisms of the movie that weren't about gender at all and yet he was accused of being misogynistic. Maybe you should talk to your own peeps before you try to set me straight.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 1:18:17 GMT
It doesn't come across as a straw man in the least. If someone says something racist, call them a racist for all I care. Abrams is a SJW so I call him what he is. What exactly makes him a “SJW”? His glasses. May as well be a Nazi with a swastika.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Feb 19, 2018 1:48:00 GMT
I don’t think anyone was suggesting that you can’t be critical of a lead who just so happens to be female. The problem is the people who are explicitly against having female leads on principle. Well, that's funny, because on this site I've seen a lot of posters like Waxer n Boil make terrific criticisms of the movie that weren't about gender at all and yet he was accused of being misogynistic. Maybe you should talk to your own peeps before you try to set me straight. My own peeps?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 1:52:02 GMT
Well, that's funny, because on this site I've seen a lot of posters like Waxer n Boil make terrific criticisms of the movie that weren't about gender at all and yet he was accused of being misogynistic. Maybe you should talk to your own peeps before you try to set me straight. My own peeps? You're a liberal ain't ya?
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