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Post by General Kenobi on Apr 16, 2018 16:42:24 GMT
Walter just left and was never seen from again. Well, there was a brief return when he wanted Oliver to run for mayor.
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Post by General Kenobi on Apr 17, 2018 21:12:14 GMT
Dude! By mentioning her you just jinxed us! Now she's going to become a supporting character on the show.
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Post by hardball on Apr 18, 2018 13:58:26 GMT
This is one of the things that bug me about the Arrowverse. I mean, every time I think how grounded Arrow is I remember that Quentin's daughter came back from the dead and is now a time traveler, and his other daughter is really dead, except she has a double from another dimension who now lives with him. I don't expect Quentin and Sarah to meet up often, but Sara should at least mention how much she misses her father / Quentin misses her every now and then, not to mention longing to go back in time to bring back the "real" Laurel. That annoys me too and it wouldn't hurt Sara and Quinton to have a few lines in 'Arrow' and 'DC's Legends of Tomorrow' where they say they just got off the phone with their Dad or daughter and they are doing fine or something like that but instead they act like they don't exist. I read Sara is going to be in the final episode of 'Arrow' and I don't know if that is going to be a flashback scene or she is returning to help Oliver but it would be interesting to see some scenes between her and Quinton and Black Siren most of all. If Black Siren is going to turn good and be a member of Team Arrow I am not sure how Sara is going to feel about that and the way Quinton sees her as his daughter when she isn't Laurel. Another thing that annoys me is how the characters disappear from the show and are never mentioned again until they return and we haven't heard anything about Ragman in ages but with him coming back soon they will probably act like he never left. I can't remember now but was it mentioned when Walter left the show or did he just leave and wasn't seen again? The one character I am happy has disappeared is Donna and I don't mind if we never see her again. Ragman is coming back? That's news to me. I guess he got his powers back. I hope we never see Donna again. Her love affair with Quentin was ridiculous. And for a while there I thought the writers were hinting at a Quentin-Thea relationship as the two spent a lot of time together. Good thing it didn't happen.
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Post by General Kenobi on Apr 18, 2018 14:04:21 GMT
Oh God. A Quentin-Thea relationship would be the second dumbest thing to happen to this show. Which surprises me they didn't go ahead with it as they thrive on bad decisions.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2018 13:31:11 GMT
Ragman is coming back? That's news to me. I guess he got his powers back. I hope we never see Donna again. Her love affair with Quentin was ridiculous. And for a while there I thought the writers were hinting at a Quentin-Thea relationship as the two spent a lot of time together. Good thing it didn't happen. Supposedly he is. I am not one hundred percent sure anymore 'cause a few things Marc said were going to happen haven't happened this season like the Black Siren focused episode that was going to show flashbacks of her life on Earth 2 which I just mentioned on another post looks to have been scrapped since Stephen Amell said there were no flashbacks on this season. I think Ragman is still possible and The Huntress too but I am not getting my hopes up anymore in case they don't return. With the new showrunner taking over they might return next season instead and Ragman might be brought back on to the team full time along with the Huntress if they don't reform Black Siren and she stays a villain. I think Renee is going to leave and with the way they have been cutting him right down in episodes like they did with Thea before she left and Laurel before she was killed off I think he is done for. Donna was horrible but Olicity fans loved her for some unknown and I remember being told by one Donna was such a loved part of the show and people tuned in to watch characters like Donna.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2018 13:33:15 GMT
Oh God. A Quentin-Thea relationship would be the second dumbest thing to happen to this show. Which surprises me they didn't go ahead with it as they thrive on bad decisions. I was worried they were going to go through with it too and Quentin was going to start to develop feelings for Thea and what is even more bizarre is there were people I saw on comment sections of 'Arrow' articles shipping the pairing.
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Post by General Kenobi on Apr 21, 2018 18:19:13 GMT
Well the Arrow fandom has a long and proud of making WTF shipping decisions. So it's really no surprise there. Maybe they're fans of Vladimir Nabokov's 1955 novel Lolita.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2018 13:25:44 GMT
Well the Arrow fandom has a long and proud of making WTF shipping decisions. So it's really no surprise there. Maybe they're fans of Vladimir Nabokov's 1955 novel Lolita. Yeah. They have but that would be the worst decision I think they could have ever made with these shows not just 'cause Quinton is old enough to be Thea's Father but 'cause he is like a Father to her and she even said it in an episode. To take that and make it into a relationship would have looked really gross.
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Post by dazz on Apr 26, 2018 14:11:03 GMT
Well the Arrow fandom has a long and proud of making WTF shipping decisions. So it's really no surprise there. Maybe they're fans of Vladimir Nabokov's 1955 novel Lolita. Yeah. They have but that would be the worst decision I think they could have ever made with these shows not just 'cause Quinton is old enough to be Thea's Father but 'cause he is like a Father to her and she even said it in an episode. To take that and make it into a relationship would have looked really gross. Plus gotta leave something for the porn parody to mine for deviance hehehe
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Post by hardball on Apr 26, 2018 15:26:34 GMT
I read an article that the Quentin Thea relationship was supposed to be father/daughter like, that Thea can relate to Quentin's alcoholism and grief. So did we misread their intentions? The way Thea would look at Quentin just didn't feel daughter-like to me.
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Post by General Kenobi on Apr 28, 2018 13:55:44 GMT
Well this show has a long history of presenting relationships in a way contrary to how they wrote them.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 13:09:11 GMT
Well this show has a long history of presenting relationships in a way contrary to how they wrote them. Yes. It does including starting relationships in comic books half the fanbase were unaware of and didn't realise were part of the official continuity.
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Post by dazz on May 1, 2018 13:14:59 GMT
Well this show has a long history of presenting relationships in a way contrary to how they wrote them. Yes. It does including starting relationships in comic books half the fanbase were unaware of and didn't realise were part of the official continuity. Half?? I'm pretty sure 60k was like a huge success for the comics, compared to the 2-3 million viewers per week at the time, that's 2-3% of their domestic audience who knew or gave a shit.
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Post by General Kenobi on May 1, 2018 19:21:32 GMT
Yeah, comics are satisfied with reaching people in the thousands but film and television can reach the millions.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2018 13:26:35 GMT
Yes. It does including starting relationships in comic books half the fanbase were unaware of and didn't realise were part of the official continuity. Half?? I'm pretty sure 60k was like a huge success for the comics, compared to the 2-3 million viewers per week at the time, that's 2-3% of their domestic audience who knew or gave a shit. You are right. 60 k is a huge success for comic books now since they don't sell half as much as they did in the 90s when you look at the figures for an independent series like 'Razor' which sold over 8 million copies in its original run and compare them to the numbers DC and Marvel are getting now they are very low so It would have been more than that but I think they didn't know how to set up 'Olicity' in the TV show which is why they did it in a comic book 'cause they knew not many people would read it but they would always be able to use it when people brought it up.
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Post by BexxyJ on May 7, 2018 14:19:24 GMT
2 of them? Is this some wonked out Nazi version of Arsenal that wants revenge for Nazi Green Arrow and Ultragirl or is he from the new world that Michael has taken over and destroyed? No. I think it is just going to be an impostor that looks like Roy. I can't see them bringing back the Nazi versions of characters anytime soon after the big crossover episode and the world Michael has taken over is in 'Supernatural' and not 'The Flash!!' Although, I wouldn't count out a 'Supernatural/The Flash' crossover episode with all the multiple universes both shows have and fans have been wanting a 'Supernatural/Arrow' crossover for some time and wanted a 'Smallville/ Supernatural' crossover too and this is the one I could actually see working since it wouldn't be on the same earths. Who was the Doppleganger? I didn't see 2 Roys?
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Post by dazz on May 7, 2018 20:34:23 GMT
Who was the Doppleganger? I didn't see 2 Roys? I think it's in reference to Black Siren assuming Earth-1 Laurel's identity, we all overlooked the obvious and assumed that the title for the episode would be about the returning former cast member which most of the episode focused on...what fools we are.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2018 13:47:12 GMT
Who was the Doppleganger? I didn't see 2 Roys? I think it's in reference to Black Siren assuming Earth-1 Laurel's identity, we all overlooked the obvious and assumed that the title for the episode would be about the returning former cast member which most of the episode focused on...what fools we are. This. Dazz is right. A lot of us assumed it meant we were going to get two Roy's but it was just Black Siren making herself known to everybody publicly and assuming the identity of the Earth One Laurel Lance. We really have to watch how they word these things 'cause there have been a few episodes that have been off with their titles and episode descriptions and ended up being disappointing but what can we expect from a show where the showrunner says The Huntress and Ragman are going to return in the second half of this season and we are really close to the end and they are nowhere to be seen. Unless they are going to turn up in the final episode it was a load of crap and disappointing as usual. No wonder he is getting stood down.
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Post by General Kenobi on May 11, 2018 15:47:03 GMT
Dealing with a load of crap and disappointment. Probably the most appropriate description for this series.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2018 12:32:09 GMT
Dealing with a load of crap and disappointment. Probably the most appropriate description for this series. Sadly you are right. Although I don't think the past two seasons have been anywhere near as bad as Season 4 and that is a type of low I don't think any other show that wasn't on the CW Network would be able to survive but the people who are running the Rotten Tomatoes site loved it and gave it a high score and I have trouble taking a site like that seriously when I see that. Maybe Rotten Tomatoes is run by diehard Olicity and Donna fans.
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