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Post by ThatGuy on Feb 22, 2018 22:33:20 GMT
Um... no. He wanted Wakanda's resources to start a revolution. The "black plight" was something he wanted Wakanda to fix because, even though they aren't Wakandan, they are still African. And Wakanda has a way to help the people. But, just like Magneto, he wanted to do it by force. Also, what you said, is exactly what Magneto did. He manipulated people to his side to get them to fight for him. He used his past to fuel fire in people to start a war. Both Magneto and Killmonger saw this hidden society, protected from the outside world, with the resources to help their people. They both wanted them to do something about it. Killmonger took the throne so he can have that platform to do it himself. Killmonger didn’t want any future kings for Wakanda and the movie estblished that father’s death was his sole motivation. He didn't want anyone to challenge him. That was the purpose of that. And, no, his father's legacy was his motivation.  |
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Post by ThatGuy on Feb 22, 2018 22:37:13 GMT
Not when they are not on Earth. You do know this took place a week after Civil War right? The general public, government, and The Avengers didn’t even know where Banner went. So how would Killmonger know Hulk is not on earth? And Thor could come back to earth anytime he wants, nothing is stopping him. Killmonger’s plan is utter suicide and purposely so. Thor was off planet with Hulk while Civil War was happening. Why would Killmonger worry about Hulk? He's not an official member of the Avengers. He's a weapon used by them. You really think Thunderbolt Ross would let the Hulk be an official member? |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Feb 22, 2018 22:37:17 GMT
Killmonger didn’t want any future kings for Wakanda and the movie estblished that father’s death was his sole motivation. He didn't want anyone to challenge him. That was the purpose of that. And, no, his father's legacy was his motivation. He flat out admitted his motive was revenge. |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Feb 22, 2018 22:43:12 GMT
The general public, government, and The Avengers didn’t even know where Banner went. So how would Killmonger know Hulk is not on earth? And Thor could come back to earth anytime he wants, nothing is stopping him. Killmonger’s plan is utter suicide and purposely so. Thor was off planet with Hulk while Civil War was happening. Why would Killmonger worry about Hulk? He's not an official member of the Avengers. He's a weapon used by them. You really think Thunderbolt Ross would let the Hulk be an official member? Thor being off world doesn’t stop him from eventually coming back, which does happen. There is no reason for Killmonger to believe that he won’t. Banner is a hero and just wouldn’t allow Killmonger to commit mass murder. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Feb 22, 2018 22:43:32 GMT
He didn't want anyone to challenge him. That was the purpose of that. And, no, his father's legacy was his motivation. He flat out admitted his motive was revenge. Yes, against the Black Panther. He got that. Not Wakanda as a whole. He needed their army and their weapons. Do they have blankets that creates vibranium infused shields. If he wanted to bring down Wakanda, he would have posted their location to the world's governments and told them Wakanda had a mountain worth of vibranium in detail. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Feb 22, 2018 22:48:23 GMT
Thor was off planet with Hulk while Civil War was happening. Why would Killmonger worry about Hulk? He's not an official member of the Avengers. He's a weapon used by them. You really think Thunderbolt Ross would let the Hulk be an official member? Thor being off world doesn’t stop him from eventually coming back, which does happen. There is no reason for Killmonger to believe that he won’t. Banner is a hero and just wouldn’t allow Killmonger to commit mass murder. Thor isn't back yet. The scene we see in Ragnarok of him visiting Dr. Strange happens before the events of Civil War. Ragnarok is saying why Thor wasn't in Civil War. Banner might be a "hero" (he's just a scientist), but what would Hulk really do? You do know that Killmonger's goal was to usurp every government. Around the world. Wakanda has War Dogs all over the world. What would Hulk do? Kill every black person he sees? |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Feb 22, 2018 23:14:20 GMT
Yes, against the Black Panther. He got that. Not Wakanda as a whole. He needed their army and their weapons. Do they have blankets that creates vibranium infused shields. If he wanted to bring down Wakanda, he would have posted their location to the world's governments and told them Wakanda had a mountain worth of vibranium in detail. T’Challa didn’t kill his father. The actual person that killed his dad was dead weeks before he even got to Africa. Killmonger blamed the entire world for his father’s death(said so himself) like some emo. And no one would have believed him if he had revealed the truth about Wakanda. Just like how Everett Ross didn’t believe Klaw at first and I doubt world governments would just suddenly go to war with Wakanda. Thor isn't back yet. The scene we see in Ragnarok of him visiting Dr. Strange happens before the events of Civil War. Ragnarok is saying why Thor wasn't in Civil War. Banner might be a "hero" (he's just a scientist), but what would Hulk really do? You do know that Killmonger's goal was to usurp every government. Around the world. Wakanda has War Dogs all over the world. What would Hulk do? Kill every black person he sees? Doesn’t matter if he’s not there at the moment, what matters is that he will come back and the usurping won’t succeed. And it was estblished that a lot of those war dogs around the world didn’t want to side with Killmonger, so they could have easily reveal the location of the other spies to the world if they wanted to. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 22, 2018 23:48:47 GMT
Yes, against the Black Panther. He got that. Not Wakanda as a whole. He needed their army and their weapons. Do they have blankets that creates vibranium infused shields. If he wanted to bring down Wakanda, he would have posted their location to the world's governments and told them Wakanda had a mountain worth of vibranium in detail. T’Challa didn’t kill his father. The actual person that killed his dad was dead weeks before he even got to Africa. Killmonger blamed the entire world for his father’s death(said so himself) like some emo. So what, it's okay for Magneto to have a "You killed my mom!" thing for HIS motivation but Killmonger can't? He didn't give a damn about the whole Mutant thing until later. |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Feb 23, 2018 0:11:47 GMT
T’Challa didn’t kill his father. The actual person that killed his dad was dead weeks before he even got to Africa. Killmonger blamed the entire world for his father’s death(said so himself) like some emo. So what, it's okay for Magneto to have a "You killed my mom!" thing for HIS motivation but Killmonger can't? He didn't give a damn about the whole Mutant thing until later. Missing my point entirely, which is that he care about the black plight as he claims. He didn’t even show remorse for killing his girlfriend and even bragged about killing black people. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 23, 2018 0:15:04 GMT
So what, it's okay for Magneto to have a "You killed my mom!" thing for HIS motivation but Killmonger can't? He didn't give a damn about the whole Mutant thing until later. Missing my point entirely, which is that he care about the black plight as he claims. He didn’t even show remorse for killing his girlfriend and even bragged about killing black people. A lot of extremists feel that way. "Necessary sacrifices" and "I want to help people, but those people are also part of the system I want to take down." |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Feb 23, 2018 0:20:34 GMT
Missing my point entirely, which is that he care about the black plight as he claims. He didn’t even show remorse for killing his girlfriend and even bragged about killing black people. A lot of extremists feel that way. "Necessary sacrifices" and "I want to help people, but those people are also part of the system I want to take down." Magneto is like that, but at least shows remorse like when he tried to sacrifice Rogue and Mystique. But Killmonger? It seems like he didn’t give fuck about that girl. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 23, 2018 0:31:23 GMT
A lot of extremists feel that way. "Necessary sacrifices" and "I want to help people, but those people are also part of the system I want to take down." Magneto is like that, but at least shows remorse like when he tried to sacrifice Rogue and Mystique. But Killmonger? It seems like he didn’t give fuck about that girl. He didn't show any real remorse over Rogue, he even made a joke later over her hair. He didn't think twice about killing Mystique either. Killmonger killed ONE person who was loyal to him but that was it. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Feb 23, 2018 0:39:22 GMT
Magneto is like that, but at least shows remorse like when he tried to sacrifice Rogue and Mystique. But Killmonger? It seems like he didn’t give fuck about that girl. He didn't show any real remorse over Rogue, he even made a joke later over her hair. He didn't think twice about killing Mystique either. Killmonger killed ONE person who was loyal to him but that was it. Erik’s girlfriend was collateral damage in a war against the “oppressors.” His attitude is consistent with his world view and professional training. In the film when his dead father asks if he has any feelings about his passing, he glibly responds “everyone dies “. Killmonger was a psychopath. |
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Post by hobowar on Feb 23, 2018 0:42:10 GMT
Ultron is still my favourite cbm villain, but Killmonger is definitely in my top 5.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Feb 23, 2018 0:43:51 GMT
Magneto is like that, but at least shows remorse like when he tried to sacrifice Rogue and Mystique. But Killmonger? It seems like he didn’t give fuck about that girl. He didn't show any real remorse over Rogue, he even made a joke later over her hair. He didn't think twice about killing Mystique either. Killmonger killed ONE person who was loyal to him but that was it. You need to rewatch those scenes. Magneto apologizes to both Rogue and Mystique before trying to kill them. In contrast Killmonger pulled the trigger without hesitation. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 23, 2018 1:31:36 GMT
He didn't show any real remorse over Rogue, he even made a joke later over her hair. He didn't think twice about killing Mystique either. Killmonger killed ONE person who was loyal to him but that was it. You need to rewatch those scenes. Magneto apologizes to both Rogue and Mystique before trying to kill them. In contrast Killmonger pulled the trigger without hesitation. He doesn't apologize to Rogue, he more or less says "I am going to kill you, but it's for a good cause. I understand that doesn't mean much to you." and then in X2 he makes a joke about her hair. Mystique, there's no real pathos behind his apology. It's hollow. Killmonger just was more true to himself over things. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Feb 23, 2018 1:34:41 GMT
Yes, against the Black Panther. He got that. Not Wakanda as a whole. He needed their army and their weapons. Do they have blankets that creates vibranium infused shields. If he wanted to bring down Wakanda, he would have posted their location to the world's governments and told them Wakanda had a mountain worth of vibranium in detail. T’Challa didn’t kill his father. The actual person that killed his dad was dead weeks before he even got to Africa. Killmonger blamed the entire world for his father’s death(said so himself) like some emo. And no one would have believed him if he had revealed the truth about Wakanda. Just like how Everett Ross didn’t believe Klaw at first and I doubt world governments would just suddenly go to war with Wakanda. Thor isn't back yet. The scene we see in Ragnarok of him visiting Dr. Strange happens before the events of Civil War. Ragnarok is saying why Thor wasn't in Civil War. Banner might be a "hero" (he's just a scientist), but what would Hulk really do? You do know that Killmonger's goal was to usurp every government. Around the world. Wakanda has War Dogs all over the world. What would Hulk do? Kill every black person he sees? Doesn’t matter if he’s not there at the moment, what matters is that he will come back and the usurping won’t succeed. And it was estblished that a lot of those war dogs around the world didn’t want to side with Killmonger, so they could have easily reveal the location of the other spies to the world if they wanted to. T'Chaka killed his dad and he was the Black Panther at the time, yes? Sins of the father are brought upon the son. He defeated T'Challa in his father's place. But someone would look into it. You get a person like Thunderbolt Ross that gets wind of it and they'll be all over that place. Because they all know that vibranium comes from Wakanda. If the news gets to the right ears about how they still have a mountain full of it, things will happen. It doesn't matter if he comes there. Thor will not interfere with human politics. When in any of the movies have you seen Thor interfere in a war between humans? The only times he fought for Earth was when it had to do with someone from another realm and an Infinity Stone. Hulk didn't even want to leave Sakaar. He would have never made it back to Earth if Thor didn't talk him into leaving. So they'll reveal the other War Dogs while not knowing which ones sided with Killmonger? Yeah, they wouldn't do that. They'll also be revealing themselves. Doing so would get them arrested and a mark put on Wakanda for putting spies all over the world. Think, son. |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Feb 23, 2018 1:46:51 GMT
T’Challa didn’t kill his father. The actual person that killed his dad was dead weeks before he even got to Africa. Killmonger blamed the entire world for his father’s death(said so himself) like some emo. And no one would have believed him if he had revealed the truth about Wakanda. Just like how Everett Ross didn’t believe Klaw at first and I doubt world governments would just suddenly go to war with Wakanda. Doesn’t matter if he’s not there at the moment, what matters is that he will come back and the usurping won’t succeed. And it was estblished that a lot of those war dogs around the world didn’t want to side with Killmonger, so they could have easily reveal the location of the other spies to the world if they wanted to. T'Chaka killed his dad and he was the Black Panther at the time, yes? Sins of the father are brought upon the son. He defeated T'Challa in his father's place. But someone would look into it. You get a person like Thunderbolt Ross that gets wind of it and they'll be all over that place. Because they all know that vibranium comes from Wakanda. If the news gets to the right ears about how they still have a mountain full of it, things will happen. It doesn't matter if he comes there. Thor will not interfere with human politics. When in any of the movies have you seen Thor interfere in a war between humans? The only times he fought for Earth was when it had to do with someone from another realm and an Infinity Stone. Hulk didn't even want to leave Sakaar. He would have never made it back to Earth if Thor didn't talk him into leaving. So they'll reveal the other War Dogs while not knowing which ones sided with Killmonger? Yeah, they wouldn't do that. They'll also be revealing themselves. Doing so would get them arrested and a mark put on Wakanda for putting spies all over the world. Think, son. They wouldn’t even let anyone near Wakanda. Thor wouldn’t care about Jane Foster becoming a second-class citzen or killed? His relationship with Jane is public knowledge too. Its thing that they are friends with Wanda who can read minds and find out who sided with Killmonger. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Feb 23, 2018 2:00:16 GMT
T'Chaka killed his dad and he was the Black Panther at the time, yes? Sins of the father are brought upon the son. He defeated T'Challa in his father's place. But someone would look into it. You get a person like Thunderbolt Ross that gets wind of it and they'll be all over that place. Because they all know that vibranium comes from Wakanda. If the news gets to the right ears about how they still have a mountain full of it, things will happen. It doesn't matter if he comes there. Thor will not interfere with human politics. When in any of the movies have you seen Thor interfere in a war between humans? The only times he fought for Earth was when it had to do with someone from another realm and an Infinity Stone. Hulk didn't even want to leave Sakaar. He would have never made it back to Earth if Thor didn't talk him into leaving. So they'll reveal the other War Dogs while not knowing which ones sided with Killmonger? Yeah, they wouldn't do that. They'll also be revealing themselves. Doing so would get them arrested and a mark put on Wakanda for putting spies all over the world. Think, son. They wouldn’t even let anyone near Wakanda. Thor wouldn’t care about Jane Foster becoming a second-class citzen or killed? His relationship with Jane is public knowledge too. Its thing that they are friends with Wanda who can read minds and find out who sided with Killmonger. So you think they can stop a bunch of transports and jets coming through? Nah, they getting in. What can he do about that? He'd just take her to Asgard. Whoops. Asgard was gone by then, huh? And if she was dead? Same thing. Would he kill everyone on Earth? Friends with Wanda? You mean the same Wanda they locked up in the Raft? Not thinking this through. At that point in time they are war criminals. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Feb 23, 2018 2:04:19 GMT
Spies don’t usually have awareness of their colleagues activities in the same city let alone another country (as evidenced by N’Jobu in Oakland. He didn’t even know Zuri was sent to spy on him).
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