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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 12:39:25 GMT
While the Lois' both know Clark's secret, the Smallville Lois Lane is much better at keeping it. I was gobsmacked by all the times Lois called Superman Clark in front of people in Man of Steel and Justice League. Good point. I was surprised over how bad Lois was at keeping Clark's secret in the DCEU movies too and it is like she didn't care if anybody heard her calling him Clark and I think it ultimately comes down to bad writing and the writers not thinking about other people possibly overhearing their conversations. If it were real life and somebody heard her calling Superman Clark and they knew she worked with a Clark Kent it wouldn't take long for them to put two and two together.
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Post by hardball on Mar 25, 2018 13:17:29 GMT
While the Lois' both know Clark's secret, the Smallville Lois Lane is much better at keeping it. I was gobsmacked by all the times Lois called Superman Clark in front of people in Man of Steel and Justice League. Good point. I was surprised over how bad Lois was at keeping Clark's secret in the DCEU movies too and it is like she didn't care if anybody heard her calling him Clark and I think it ultimately comes down to bad writing and the writers not thinking about other people possibly overhearing their conversations. If it were real life and somebody heard her calling Superman Clark and they knew she worked with a Clark Kent it wouldn't take long for them to put two and two together. And it wasn't just Lois. During their first meeting, Aquaman just told all the fishermen that Bruce is Batman.
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Post by General Kenobi on Mar 27, 2018 15:48:19 GMT
No surprise. Snyder doesn't like or understand superhero comics. Of course he would screw up the need for secrecy about identities.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 11:24:24 GMT
Good point. I was surprised over how bad Lois was at keeping Clark's secret in the DCEU movies too and it is like she didn't care if anybody heard her calling him Clark and I think it ultimately comes down to bad writing and the writers not thinking about other people possibly overhearing their conversations. If it were real life and somebody heard her calling Superman Clark and they knew she worked with a Clark Kent it wouldn't take long for them to put two and two together. And it wasn't just Lois. During their first meeting, Aquaman just told all the fishermen that Bruce is Batman. Yeah. That's right. I completely forgot about that. It is like the writers don't care about details like that anymore and I wouldn't be surprised if we see a few people calling the Flash Barry in the 'Flashpoint' movie too (if it happens) and one of the main things that I disliked about 'Batman vs Superman: Dawn of Justice' and 'Justice League' was how Batman was out of costume so often as Bruce Wayne and he was talking to other superheroes as Bruce Wayne instead of Batman. I mean the first meeting between Batman and the Flash would have been better in my opinion if they had it happen somewhere outside in their costumes calling each other Batman and Flashbut it appears these movies don't like superhero names and prefer to use their real names more.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 11:26:52 GMT
No surprise. Snyder doesn't like or understand superhero comics. Of course he would screw up the need for secrecy about identities. Good thing he is no longer directing any of the other movies. Although some delusional fans believe he is a legend and was screwed by Warner Bros and have been campaigning for a Snyder cut of 'Justice League' to be released 'cause they think Joss Whedon came in and ruined it.
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Post by General Kenobi on Mar 29, 2018 13:32:55 GMT
We have a word for people like that: Assholes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2018 13:09:20 GMT
We have a word for people like that: Assholes. Yes. We do but sadly some of those assholes have their own websites and are journalists working on entertainment news sites where they are writing articles blaming Joss Whedon for the state of the DCEU. I know anybody can have their own websites but it makes you question the integrity of some of these entertainment news sites when they have people like that working for them.
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Post by General Kenobi on Apr 6, 2018 21:18:19 GMT
Yeah that's the problem with assholes. They spread shit everywhere and cause a big stink.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 7:57:36 GMT
Yeah that's the problem with assholes. They spread shit everywhere and cause a big stink. Yes. But how do these people get in positions of power where people listen to them and take them seriously? That is a scary thought in itself.
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Post by General Kenobi on Apr 10, 2018 16:31:33 GMT
Never underestimate a bullshit artist. They some of the most insidious and ambitious con artists going.
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Post by kleinreturns on Apr 13, 2018 23:08:14 GMT
While the Lois' both know Clark's secret, the Smallville Lois Lane is much better at keeping it. I was gobsmacked by all the times Lois called Superman Clark in front of people in Man of Steel and Justice League. LOL!!!!
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Post by General Kenobi on Apr 14, 2018 19:48:55 GMT
Yeah, forget glasses being a poor disguise when your girlfriend advertises it everywhere.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Apr 14, 2018 20:24:22 GMT
I wish for once someone would do a take off of Superman's secret identity where they look at the different nuances of his disguise, for all it's arguable flaws and credibility; and find a way to make it work. Don't ignore it, don't hang a lantern on it by acknowledging it as something that shouldn't work, but does anyway; or some contrived excuse, like hypno-vision.
It seems absurd that a pair of glasses and parting his hair differently, et al, would make any difference at all, but we tend to take for granted how much of a difference some of the subtle changes can make. I remember doing a community theatre play with a guy who was much older than the teenager role he was playing; he had to have been in his 30s at the time, but the character was maybe 17 or 18. In real life the guy wore glasses, hair was kind of non-descript, maybe thinning a little. Early into rehearsals he started working on his look for the role; styling his hair, to make it look like it had more volume, and he started wearing contacts. After awhile I got used to seeing him like that, and then one after a performance the cast went out, and he comes into the place we were meeting with his glasses on and his hair how he had previous styled it; and the contrast was profound. Now, did I still recognize him? Yeah, but in the span of like a half hour, he went from "Ren McCormack," to "Ren's dorky dad". I even joked at the time that seeing that change in appearance made me believe in Superman's disguise; and I do think when done the right way, Clark Kent's disguise isn't as implausible as people to tend to dismiss it as.
I would even point to Melissa Benoist as an example of this. I feel like they haven't made the differences in looks between her civilian persona and Supergirl isn't quite what they originally had, but I definitely thought that during the first season it would have been harder to pick "Kara Danvers" out of a line-up; and the difference of appearance between "Kara" and "Supergirl" was much more stark.
Combine that with things like, pictures of Superman always come out a little blurry; eye witnesses being notorious for giving bad descriptions of people they see, or they conjure embellishment of how Superman should look in their mind, and wouldn't have reason to believe that such a being would have any desire to "slum it" by pretending to be an ordinary human working a regular job, and I think the idea that he can fly under everyone's radar becomes fairly plausible. And maybe Clark also wearing heavier or baggier clothes - as he often does in the comics - to hide his physique; or even outright pads his stomach a little. Once upon a time, there was less emphasis on the glasses as some sort of catch all, hide all mask. In the George Reeves series, Jimmy and Lois regularly had their suspicions; and Clark Kent was known to bear a striking resemblance, but there was no proof; or something would happen to dissuade those suspicions. He would even be seen as Clark without his glasses, without so much as a second thought.
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Post by General Kenobi on Apr 15, 2018 12:33:48 GMT
Of course the glasses made a pretty good joke in Ready Player One. I think it's one of those things we just accept without over thinking it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2018 12:47:12 GMT
Yeah, forget glasses being a poor disguise when your girlfriend advertises it everywhere. I wonder if that was done by mistake or some type of joke for the audience 'cause I can't figure out why they were so dumb with that when everybody around them could have found out Clark and Superman were the same person just by listening to them talk. Maybe it was a joke and they thought fans would find it funny. It was a bad joke but I would rather it be a joke than the stupidity of the people making the movies.
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Post by dazz on Apr 26, 2018 13:12:22 GMT
I wish for once someone would do a take off of Superman's secret identity where they look at the different nuances of his disguise, for all it's arguable flaws and credibility; and find a way to make it work. Don't ignore it, don't hang a lantern on it by acknowledging it as something that shouldn't work, but does anyway; or some contrived excuse, like hypno-vision. It seems absurd that a pair of glasses and parting his hair differently, et al, would make any difference at all, but we tend to take for granted how much of a difference some of the subtle changes can make. I remember doing a community theatre play with a guy who was much older than the teenager role he was playing; he had to have been in his 30s at the time, but the character was maybe 17 or 18. In real life the guy wore glasses, hair was kind of non-descript, maybe thinning a little. Early into rehearsals he started working on his look for the role; styling his hair, to make it look like it had more volume, and he started wearing contacts. After awhile I got used to seeing him like that, and then one after a performance the cast went out, and he comes into the place we were meeting with his glasses on and his hair how he had previous styled it; and the contrast was profound. Now, did I still recognize him? Yeah, but in the span of like a half hour, he went from "Ren McCormack," to "Ren's dorky dad". I even joked at the time that seeing that change in appearance made me believe in Superman's disguise; and I do think when done the right way, Clark Kent's disguise isn't as implausible as people to tend to dismiss it as. I would even point to Melissa Benoist as an example of this. I feel like they haven't made the differences in looks between her civilian persona and Supergirl isn't quite what they originally had, but I definitely thought that during the first season it would have been harder to pick "Kara Danvers" out of a line-up; and the difference of appearance between "Kara" and "Supergirl" was much more stark. Combine that with things like, pictures of Superman always come out a little blurry; eye witnesses being notorious for giving bad descriptions of people they see, or they conjure embellishment of how Superman should look in their mind, and wouldn't have reason to believe that such a being would have any desire to "slum it" by pretending to be an ordinary human working a regular job, and I think the idea that he can fly under everyone's radar becomes fairly plausible. And maybe Clark also wearing heavier or baggier clothes - as he often does in the comics - to hide his physique; or even outright pads his stomach a little. Once upon a time, there was less emphasis on the glasses as some sort of catch all, hide all mask. In the George Reeves series, Jimmy and Lois regularly had their suspicions; and Clark Kent was known to bear a striking resemblance, but there was no proof; or something would happen to dissuade those suspicions. He would even be seen as Clark without his glasses, without so much as a second thought. Wasn't this a thing they spoke about in Smallville, like Clark completely changes his personality, stance even the way he speaks as well as wearing more layers to make himself look less physically imposing to make it so not only does no one suspect him but even if they did it's like wait him he's Superman? why would Superman be posing as this dork?
As to the look thing you are right, I mean my personal opinion here but look at EBR now too me she is far more attractive in her "less attractive" style of hair tied back and glasses, for me that gives her an appearance far more attractive than when she dresses up, I honestly think hair done and no glasses she looks more manly than anything else, and her expressions at times even go chimp like without the glasses, I look at her with her glasses and I think she's a damn good looking woman, without them she's ok sometimes bordering on meh, but that might just be me.
I have a feeling my chimp like comment may end up rubbing some the wrong way but I mean come one anyone else recall her "help me" mouthing when Dahrk had her in the gas chamber, that looked a little planet of the apes to me...ive gone off topic.
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