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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Mar 1, 2018 3:37:34 GMT
Is your "what" supposed to be a "that?" Because it doesn't make sense otherwise. If so, it comes from how much of Jesus's ire was directed at the religious leaders of his time. Pardon my shorthand, that was two questions rolled into one. 1 Who told you Jesus disagreed? 2 What (details, please) did they say? Meanwhile, on Planet Arlon ... While Jesus did oppose certain religious leaders of his time that doesn't mean he opposed all religion. I wouldn't say Jesus opposed all religion, but in the Jesus VS religion debate, I think even most of the highly religious would say Jesus is more important. it seems odd to place religion first. That would seem to lose the spirit of Christianity. |
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Post by goz on Mar 1, 2018 4:36:21 GMT
Pardon my shorthand, that was two questions rolled into one. 1 Who told you Jesus disagreed? 2 What (details, please) did they say? Meanwhile, on Planet Arlon ... While Jesus did oppose certain religious leaders of his time that doesn't mean he opposed all religion. I wouldn't say Jesus opposed all religion, but in the Jesus VS religion debate, I think even most of the highly religious would say Jesus is more important. it seems odd to place religion first. That would seem to lose the spirit of Christianity. Yeah! Jesus proved to be pretty unhappy with other religions. The history is yet to be proven whether he was actually AWARE of them. I am thinking not EVEN ... though he was allegedly Son of God! Miscommunication? Makes you wonder BBCode |
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Mar 1, 2018 4:45:14 GMT
I wouldn't say Jesus opposed all religion, but in the Jesus VS religion debate, I think even most of the highly religious would say Jesus is more important. it seems odd to place religion first. That would seem to lose the spirit of Christianity. Yeah! Jesus proved to be pretty unhappy with other religions. The history is yet to be proven whether he was actually AWARE of them. I am thinking not EVEN ... though he was allegedly Son of God! Miscommunication? Makes you wonder BBCodeI was mostly thinking about how Jesus railed against the religious leaders in his own time and place, calling them whitewashed tombs: |
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Post by Arlon10 on Mar 1, 2018 10:01:19 GMT
Pardon my shorthand, that was two questions rolled into one. 1 Who told you Jesus disagreed? 2 What (details, please) did they say? Meanwhile, on Planet Arlon ... While Jesus did oppose certain religious leaders of his time that doesn't mean he opposed all religion. I wouldn't say Jesus opposed all religion, but in the Jesus VS religion debate, I think even most of the highly religious would say Jesus is more important. it seems odd to place religion first. That would seem to lose the spirit of Christianity. Christianity or some of its factions (that is the word I want) anyway can be exceptionally "tribal." That is to say that membership in the tribe is more important than other things. In many cases that can lead to people thinking whatever they do is fine, but if others who are not members do the same things it is not fine. Those are the people who think "Jesus" is more important than religion. They are not following the rules. They do not want to follow the rules. They just want to win the game anyway. They think all that matters is being in the family (or tribe) of god. But their own "Jesus" said this in Matthew c3 v9 |
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Mar 1, 2018 10:09:01 GMT
I wouldn't say Jesus opposed all religion, but in the Jesus VS religion debate, I think even most of the highly religious would say Jesus is more important. it seems odd to place religion first. That would seem to lose the spirit of Christianity. Christianity or some of its factions (that is the word I want) anyway can be exceptionally "tribal." That is to say that membership in the tribe is more important than other things. In many cases that can lead to people thinking whatever they do is fine, but if others who are not members do the same things it is not fine. Those are the people who think "Jesus" is more important than religion. They are not following the rules. They do not want to follow the rules. They just want to win the game anyway. They think all that matters is being in the family (or tribe) of god. But their own "Jesus" said this in Matthew c3 v9 I'm with your first two paragraphs, but I don't see how you're making the leap from that to saying those are people thinking Jesus is more important. It seems to me what you're describing are closer to the religious hypocrites, the whitewashed tombs, that Jesus denounced. |
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Post by Arlon10 on Mar 1, 2018 10:22:42 GMT
Christianity or some of its factions (that is the word I want) anyway can be exceptionally "tribal." That is to say that membership in the tribe is more important than other things. In many cases that can lead to people thinking whatever they do is fine, but if others who are not members do the same things it is not fine. Those are the people who think "Jesus" is more important than religion. They are not following the rules. They do not want to follow the rules. They just want to win the game anyway. They think all that matters is being in the family (or tribe) of god. But their own "Jesus" said this in Matthew c3 v9 I'm with your first two paragraphs, but I don't see how you're making the leap from that to saying those are people thinking Jesus is more important. It seems to me what you're describing are closer to the religious hypocrites, the whitewashed tombs, that Jesus denounced. I agree that they are like the hypocrites. Ironic isn't it? |
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Mar 1, 2018 10:27:46 GMT
I'm with your first two paragraphs, but I don't see how you're making the leap from that to saying those are people thinking Jesus is more important. It seems to me what you're describing are closer to the religious hypocrites, the whitewashed tombs, that Jesus denounced. I agree that they are like the hypocrites. Ironic isn't it? Right, but then doesn't that make them less Christ-like and more like the religious hypocrites Jesus denounced? |
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Post by Arlon10 on Mar 1, 2018 10:30:15 GMT
I agree that they are like the hypocrites. Ironic isn't it? Right, but then doesn't that make them less Christ-like and more like the religious hypocrites Jesus denounced? Thus "ironic." |
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Mar 1, 2018 10:44:48 GMT
Right, but then doesn't that make them less Christ-like and more like the religious hypocrites Jesus denounced? Thus "ironic." Then I'm still confused by your: "We have plenty of Jesus. What we need is more religion." Maybe you should've put "Jesus" in scare quotes to indicate you weren't being literal? |
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Post by Arlon10 on Mar 1, 2018 10:51:41 GMT
Then I'm still confused by your: "We have plenty of Jesus. What we need is more religion." Maybe you should've put "Jesus" in scare quotes to indicate you weren't being literal? Perhaps the name should always be in quotation marks whenever it's used. |
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Mar 1, 2018 11:06:45 GMT
does not eliminate the position, it just gets filled by someone else. But this is not true, especially with the current State Department which not only has lost or shed staff, but posts have deliberately been left unfilled. This means a loss of experience and professionalism to a great degree - enough to hobble the country overseas for a generation. When I actually suggest anything about office wear be sure and raise the point again. |
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Post by Arlon10 on Mar 1, 2018 11:13:19 GMT
does not eliminate the position, it just gets filled by someone else. But this is not true, especially with the current State Department which not only has lost or shed staff but post have deliberately been left unfilled. This means a loss of experience and professionalism enough to hobble the countries overseas for a generation. When I actually suggest anything about office wear be sure and raise the point again. Unfilled positions are one thing, cancelled positions are another. Would the time I actually suggest unfilled positions are a solution be good to discuss office wear? |
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Mar 1, 2018 11:44:09 GMT
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