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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jul 3, 2017 1:21:28 GMT
I don't really see how she's responsible for any of them actually. Joffrey dug his own grave with his actions. When the Tyrells found out what a monster he was they plotted his demise. Myrcella was misguided revenge for Oberyns death. The only reason she was in that position was due to Tyrion. Tommen was just weak. He was too easily influenced by those around him and couldn't handle the pressure of being a King. I'm not going to blame Cersei for Tommens suicide. I sort of agree with those points. Cersei's blame is more of a general kind. She was distrustful. In the books, Kevin Lannister had advised that she select Randyll Tarly as King's Hand for king Tomen. But his being a Tyrelle banner-man got him rejected. Book-Cersei is a thoroughly different character. There is no point using anything from the book to explain the show. Cersei made mistakes and started things that had repercussions, like empowering the High Sparrow. It doesn't make her directly responsible for Tommen's reaction. As to being distrustful, she was justified. Margaery was manipulating Tommen into sending her away and Mace Tyrell was making threats based on the financial situation. There was no trusting them further than was absolutely needed. Tommen was unprepared for the job because he never was meant to become king. Kingslayer Grandma made sure this happened, not Cersei. Then Tyrion killed the man who had the ability to teach him. Cersei herself was not prepared either. She was raised to be a queen consort, not a ruler. She was taught "to smile and sing and please" as she told Sansa. Her handling of the situation in Season 1 was smart. Cersei is the sorcerer's apprentice, kicking off things that went out of her control for lack of foresight and experience. |
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Post by poelzig on Jul 3, 2017 2:25:48 GMT
I sort of agree with those points. Cersei's blame is more of a general kind. She was distrustful. In the books, Kevin Lannister had advised that she select Randyll Tarly as King's Hand for king Tomen. But his being a Tyrelle banner-man got him rejected. Book-Cersei is a thoroughly different character. There is no point using anything from the book to explain the show. Cersei made mistakes and started things that had repercussions, like empowering the High Sparrow. It doesn't make her directly responsible for Tommen's reaction. As to being distrustful, she was justified. Margaery was manipulating Tommen into sending her away and Mace Tyrell was making threats based on the financial situation. There was no trusting them further than was absolutely needed. Tommen was unprepared for the job because he never was meant to become king. Kingslayer Grandma made sure this happened, not Cersei. Then Tyrion killed the man who had the ability to teach him. Cersei herself was not prepared either. She was raised to be a queen consort, not a ruler. She was taught "to smile and sing and please" as she told Sansa. Her handling of the situation in Season 1 was smart. Cersei is the sorcerer's apprentice, kicking off things that went out of her control for lack of foresight and experience. Blah blah blah. When you command someone that MUST follow your commands to kill and torture then you're just as guilty as they are if not more so. Charles Manson never killed anyone so would you give him a free pass? "Derpy derp manson no evil he just made some mistakes. Duhhhhh" As goofy and annoying as Daenerys is it's easier to forgive the bad things she's caused because she actually does think she's doing the right thing. Cersei can't even claim to be doing evil because she wants to protect her inbred brood anymore since they are all dead thanks to her stupidity and bad parenting skills. She's doing evil things our of hatred and revenge and because she's malicious and bloodthirsty. I just hope her death is more drawn out and painful than Joffrey's. After all the awful things he did his death was far too merciful and quick. Not as satisfying as it could have been. |
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Post by northernlad on Jul 3, 2017 2:31:25 GMT
Book-Cersei is a thoroughly different character. There is no point using anything from the book to explain the show. Cersei made mistakes and started things that had repercussions, like empowering the High Sparrow. It doesn't make her directly responsible for Tommen's reaction. As to being distrustful, she was justified. Margaery was manipulating Tommen into sending her away and Mace Tyrell was making threats based on the financial situation. There was no trusting them further than was absolutely needed. Tommen was unprepared for the job because he never was meant to become king. Kingslayer Grandma made sure this happened, not Cersei. Then Tyrion killed the man who had the ability to teach him. Cersei herself was not prepared either. She was raised to be a queen consort, not a ruler. She was taught "to smile and sing and please" as she told Sansa. Her handling of the situation in Season 1 was smart. Cersei is the sorcerer's apprentice, kicking off things that went out of her control for lack of foresight and experience. Blah blah blah. When you command someone that MUST follow your commands to kill and torture then you're just as guilty as they are if not more so. Charles Manson never killed anyone so would you give him a free pass? "Derpy derp manson no evil he just made some mistakes. Duhhhhh" As goofy and annoying as Daenerys is it's easier to forgive the bad things she's caused because she actually does think she's doing the right thing. Cersei can't even claim to be doing evil because she wants to protect her inbred brood anymore since they are all dead thanks to her stupidity and bad parenting skills. She's doing evil things our of hatred and revenge and because she's malicious and bloodthirsty. I just hope her death is more drawn out and painful than Joffrey's. After all the awful things he did his death was far too merciful and quick. Not as satisfying as it could have been. So agree with you about Joffrey. It was too easy...too quick for him. He deserved to suffer a little more. I hope Cercei suffers a good bit before death. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jul 3, 2017 5:34:10 GMT
Book-Cersei is a thoroughly different character. There is no point using anything from the book to explain the show. Cersei made mistakes and started things that had repercussions, like empowering the High Sparrow. It doesn't make her directly responsible for Tommen's reaction. As to being distrustful, she was justified. Margaery was manipulating Tommen into sending her away and Mace Tyrell was making threats based on the financial situation. There was no trusting them further than was absolutely needed. Tommen was unprepared for the job because he never was meant to become king. Kingslayer Grandma made sure this happened, not Cersei. Then Tyrion killed the man who had the ability to teach him. Cersei herself was not prepared either. She was raised to be a queen consort, not a ruler. She was taught "to smile and sing and please" as she told Sansa. Her handling of the situation in Season 1 was smart. Cersei is the sorcerer's apprentice, kicking off things that went out of her control for lack of foresight and experience. Blah blah blah. When you command someone that MUST follow your commands to kill and torture then you're just as guilty as they are if not more so. Charles Manson never killed anyone so would you give him a free pass? "Derpy derp manson no evil he just made some mistakes. Duhhhhh" As goofy and annoying as Daenerys is it's easier to forgive the bad things she's caused because she actually does think she's doing the right thing. Cersei can't even claim to be doing evil because she wants to protect her inbred brood anymore since they are all dead thanks to her stupidity and bad parenting skills. She's doing evil things our of hatred and revenge and because she's malicious and bloodthirsty. I just hope her death is more drawn out and painful than Joffrey's. After all the awful things he did his death was far too merciful and quick. Not as satisfying as it could have been. You're dumb scum, Poelzig, the kind who responds "blah blah blah" when presented with arguments he doesn't like. The kind who doesn't understand what he's shown. You're the shitty mob, feeding on emotional impressions and relishing bloody revenge. You're not worth talking too beyond being told what you are. |
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Post by DSDSquared on Jul 3, 2017 18:02:34 GMT
Cersei is a bitch. No way to argue it. She caused most of her own problems. However, she is still an awesome character and I love watching her. Actually, I am kind of cheering for her side. Qyburn is awesome. Jamioe is awesome. Sir Zombie Mountain is awesome. However, I know they will eventually lose.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jul 3, 2017 18:12:54 GMT
Cersei is a bitch. No way to argue it. You suck at zoology   |
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Post by DSDSquared on Jul 3, 2017 18:13:58 GMT
Cersei is a bitch. No way to argue it. You suck at zoology Hey, I love the character. I am team Lannister all the way, but I call it like I see it. |
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Post by Marv on Jul 4, 2017 11:59:00 GMT
Cersei is a bitch. No way to argue it. She caused most of her own problems. However, she is still an awesome character and I love watching her. Actually, I am kind of cheering for her side. Qyburn is awesome. Jamioe is awesome. Sir Zombie Mountain is awesome. However, I know they will eventually lose. I agree with this. Finished a rewatch of season 6 and the trio of Cersei Quyburn and Zombie Mountain is a fantastic one. But that could be mostly because they were pitted against religious fanatics. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jul 5, 2017 8:42:00 GMT
Cersei is a bitch. No way to argue it. She caused most of her own problems. However, she is still an awesome character and I love watching her. Actually, I am kind of cheering for her side. Qyburn is awesome. Jamioe is awesome. Sir Zombie Mountain is awesome. However, I know they will eventually lose. I agree with this. Finished a rewatch of season 6 and the trio of Cersei Quyburn and Zombie Mountain is a fantastic one. But that could be mostly because they were pitted against religious fanatics. Frankenmountain is such a dreadful piece of fantasy shit, I agree with Pycelle on his account. He should be put down and that stupid author with him. No wonder they killed him in the last episode. That wasn't Cersei, by the way. She might have disliked him and said he smelled like dead cats but she would never kill someone for that. It's the writers who did it, leaving her to take the blame (I have proof of that: in the books he is killed by Varys, which implies he fell to a conspiracy of the writers; they just disguised it differently.) |
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