The Avengers Beat the Justice League at Everything

Those arent plot holes. You're talking about things being realistic or not. Finally yes, it is possible to have no matches of dna, fingerprints etc

But isn't the point that Nolan brought Bats into the real world the selling point?

Is it realistic or is it mythology?

God knows I had enough DC fans inform me how DC is for adults because it is more realistic while Marvel is for kids because it remembers who it is for.

I watch superheroes for the mythology. Hercules was a superhero. Achilles was a superhero. There are stories in the Bible scholars say are tales to show how one should be, not real people. 


I have seen gals with smeared makeup in mug shots. I have never seen people with their faces made up in any of the thousands of mug shots I have looked at daily for the lasr couple decades.

They leave Joker in his makeup so he can't get off on  a technicality, but Jim lets Bats beat Joker up?

Joker works in the comics because he is not real. 

Batman works in the comics because he is not real.

The biggest problem DC is having is Supes is known around the world as one thing, but they are trying to make him into Bats.

I bought JL for Supes.
It is the Supes we should have had in MoS.

Honestly, its been a couple years since I watched TDK. My list of holes is longer, but having not seen it probably since around the time TDKR came out, I've forgotten most of them.  Ledger did a good job, but it isnt a perfect performance. That oscar was a "sorry we didnt give you one for Brokeback Mountain & we can't give you one again because you're dead."

Its not ok for characters to act out of character just so the director can get the ending he wants.

Yeah I didn't hate AoU, I was certainly entertained by it. I just felt like the story of "Robot/AI decides saving humanity means destroying it" was so cliche and overdone. I expected much better.

I honestly have no idea what my issues with Civil War were. Underwhelmed is the best word I can think of. I just find myself either not paying attention or skipping forward through it when I have a re-watch of the MCU. That airport scene though was one of favorite if not number one comic book movie scenes of all time. Top 5 at least.

And the thing about Ultron was that they tried to avoid that cliché by giving him a personality, but they took it too far.  He came off more annoying than menacing most of the time.  He was a disappointing villain and the stuff about the Infinity stones was totally unnecessary.  Other than that I loved the film.

I know what you mean about Civil War.  It's an incredible flick with some powerful moments, but something always seems off when I watch it.  I think it's the frustration of seeing two of your favorite heroes fighting over something that could've been resolved with a five minute conversation.  They really had to make Tony completely unreasonable for the plot to work.  It has a bittersweet ending where both sides essentially lost.  

Yes, and I don't think it was a flaw in the film.  I just think it's a downer, that's where I was going with that thought.  CW is less enjoyable in a sense because both sides are wrong and both sides lose.  It isn't fun to see the heroes tear themselves apart over principles when the middle ground is easily attainable.  Honestly the Cap/Tony fight and T'Challa's confrontation with Zemo is one of the best five minutes in MCU history for my money; but at the same time something feels off about the film, ultimately, due to the lack of resolution.  You hold these characters in such high regard that it's frustrating they never see eye to eye by the end.   

As I said earlier, I still like CW a lot.  But something about it is always going to rub me the wrong way.  It's like watching your parents get a divorce.

As far as the Infinity stones go, there are better ways to weave that plotline into the story.  Having Thor just randomly go on a vision quest in the middle of the movie to remind us Thanos is looming is lazy and it grinds the movie to a halt.  Shouldn't Ultron be enough of a threat to occupy the audience's attention?  Did anyone in the audience not know there were more Marvel movies coming?            

Yes you do. You see that reaction for all series, comic book or other. There's​ people who think Hugh Jackman as Wolverine is a bad idea because he's too tall. Gal Gadot because she's too skinny and so on.



It was never looked down on in any significant way aside from the casting of RDR because he was a drug addict. Aside from that the movie was somewhat highly anticipated and was expected to be financially successful.

It was certainly never expected to bomb.



And if that's what they want to enjoy then what does that matter? All movies have flaws, his apparently have less.



It hasn't actually reinvigorated anything though except for maybe Thor Ragnarok by making it a comedy. Any movies that get made from now that are of this nature will be because of Star Wars Episode 7 making $2 billion.



Which was one movie out of a bunch and merely because of racism. It had nothing to do with it being part of the MCU but because the main cast was black.

On the other hand the movie got better critical reviews than it probably would have for the same reason so it all balances out.



Of course they were. They were exactly the same except Spider-man 3 had more fantastical villains, a difference that can be found in the very comics themselves.

Saying Spider-man 3 is different from the others is like saying a Spider-man comic with Venom is different to a Spider-man comic with the Shocker.

As if there can be an OBJECTIVE barometer of QUALITY.

At least in the DCEU's case it's understandable why it gets criticized more. And the XCU was fine until their fans started spewing trash about the MCU first. If those fandoms were just "We like our movies, and MCU fans can enjoy theirs" it'd be one thing, but the MCU has been fighting it's uphill battle for 10 years now.



The idea of a guy in a powered armor suit might have been realistic, but then the actual movie details came out about him building it in captivity and the criticisms started about how dumb an idea that was, how Stark wasn't disciplined enough to be an Engineer and how an actual Playboy would collapse until the strain very fast. Etc.



ONE site. After TDK came out Nolanites in hordes were more or less demanding Iron Man be downvoted to a 0/10.



Because it's true. FoX-Fans in particular hate every other Marvel character out there aside from Spider-Man (because he got movies around the same time) and can't stand that these characters they despise are getting any respect at all. Leave it to them, Iron Man and Cap would've been retconned out of existence back in the 1940s and 1960s.



Yeah, and despite that they still haven't been able to get any sequels made despite Cameron wanting to them for years. Avatar was 9 years ago.



The cartoon audience wasn't as close-minded as the movie audience was. The movie audience couldn't accept something like Spidey fighting a space alien.



Yeah, and Sandman was the only derided as being too unbelievable and silly. Because he was the only one who wasn't just an augmented human. See what I'm getting at here?



He didn't speak in the 3rd person in his first appearance either, nor was he was ridiculously ripped then either. But even if they had made him do all that stuff, he'd still get derided for not being as "grounded" as Ock or the Goblin.



Comic readers? No, they aren't. Movie audiences on the other hand...

That's just retaliation for years of insults from the Raimi and Singer fans.

[qute]Which would again be by an insignificant amount of people that it isn't worth noting. The same insignificance that could be applied to any superhero movie.[/quote]

To say nothing of how the idea of a Shared Universe where characters all co-exist and team up is STILL derided to this day. Because the MCU dared to do it.



Not as well as any DC movie. Or Fox, or Sony...



I said they tried, not that they succeeded.



Yeah they do, reading anything summers8 has ever written is proof enough of that. Even in the comics the X-Fans hate any Marvel characters who aren't Spider-man.



It almost is.



No matter how Venom got introduced in Raimi's world, him being a space alien was always going to be derided. If he'd been some Earth creation or just Brock getting bitten by another Spider it would've gone over better. REAL comic stuff was too much for the audience's belief.



Deadpool now only got better acceptance because the MCU paved the way for audiencegoers who can accept that kind of stuff. Back in 2007 it was considered too ridiculous.



He was in the movie for 20 minutes, same amount of time Obadiah Stane was Iron Monger, Emil Blonsky was the Abomination, etc.



Let me put it this way, if Sandman or Venom had been the villain in the first Spidey movie it would've bombed so hard there'd be no sequels because the concept would've been too crazy to be accepted.

Nowadays it's different and no one will have any trouble accepting the MCU Spider-Man fighting an alien.