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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 0:25:08 GMT
Everyone says that DC needs a Kevin Feige. If they're trying to copy Marvel's way of doing business, then that's true. But they originally promised a filmmaker-driven approach, and then they never stuck to that plan. But it could have worked. Here's how:
First, you need someone like Geoff Johns as a "creative consultant" who actually has some say-so over how the characters are portrayed. This is to ensure that the characterizations are consistent across the various films (with different directors). Second, you make the director in charge of the Justice League franchise the "primary director." This doesn't give them any special authority over the other directors, but it does mean that they get to essentially "set the course" for where the universe is going. They give the other directors access to their plans, but then they let them do whatever they wanna do (so long as they don't do anything to comprise the direction that the "primary director" is taking the characters in the JL movie).
But other than that, you let the directors do whatever they want. Let them see their vision through. You don't need producers mapping out each little thing. And when the JL franchise gets a new director, then they get to be the "primary director."
From what I understand, Feige maps out most of the MCU, but he also lets his directors add their own little flavors into their movies. But that's still a producer-driven approach.
If you did a truly filmmaker-driven approach, you just let the JL director set the course, and then you let the other directors do whatever they want, just as long as they don't comprise where things are going in JL. You've got Johns there to ensure consistency and to ensure that things line up just fine.
So each film would be pretty autonomous. The solo movies wouldn't necessarily NEED to feed into a larger story (unless the director wanted them to). They wouldn't have to set things up. They'd just have to not compromise the bigger picture.
I think it could have worked.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 0:36:37 GMT
Until BvS got negative reviews, Suicide Squad was this. That's when WB let that trailer editing company come in and slice the hell out of that film to make it "fun".
WB should have just let it go as made.
Thats why I do have faith in Wonder Woman. From what Patty Jenkins has said, it's been her film the whole way, no WB/studio dabbling.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 0:42:18 GMT
Until BvS got negative reviews, Suicide Squad was this. That's when WB let that trailer editing company come in and slice the hell out of that film to make it "fun". WB should have just let it go as made. Thats why I do have faith in Wonder Woman. From what Patty Jenkins has said, it's been her film the whole way, no WB/studio dabbling. They meddled with BvS though too. They made Snyder chop it down. Zack says that the UE was the actual cut of the film until "shortly" before the release (meaning WB told him that he needed to cut it down).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 2:03:05 GMT
Until BvS got negative reviews, Suicide Squad was this. That's when WB let that trailer editing company come in and slice the hell out of that film to make it "fun". WB should have just let it go as made. Thats why I do have faith in Wonder Woman. From what Patty Jenkins has said, it's been her film the whole way, no WB/studio dabbling. They meddled with BvS though too. They made Snyder chop it down. Zack says that the UE was the actual cut of the film until "shortly" before the release (meaning WB told him that he needed to cut it down). So that's the cut that got a standing ovation from the studio, the UE... But their only beef was the runtime. I'm talking about meddling with th tone and the director's take.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 2:50:16 GMT
They meddled with BvS though too. They made Snyder chop it down. Zack says that the UE was the actual cut of the film until "shortly" before the release (meaning WB told him that he needed to cut it down). So that's the cut that got a standing ovation from the studio, the UE... But their only beef was the runtime. I'm talking about meddling with th tone and the director's take. Rumor has it that they asked Zack to cut out a lot of the Superman stuff, which definitely affected the movie for the worse. That's meddling in my book, even if the tone remained the same.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 3:15:04 GMT
Having a Showrunner sitting at the top is always a good idea when you're constructing a series. I frankly don't see this approach working out all that well, personally.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 3:26:23 GMT
Having a Showrunner sitting at the top is always a good idea when you're constructing a series. I frankly don't see this approach working out all that well, personally. That's the problem. You're thinking of it as a "series" (like TV). That's not what this would (or should) be. In theory, a Flash trilogy (for example) could feature the same actor as the one that appears in the JL movie, but the stories may have almost nothing to do with each other. Flash wouldn't need to "build" towards JL and vice versa. They just wouldn't contradict/compromise each other. Each "project" would truly be a vision of the director. All you'd need is someone like Geoff Johns to make sure that the character is consistent with how he/she is supposed to be. And then you just tell the director who's working on the solo project what they CAN'T do (which would be limited to not compromising the character's story in the JL movie). Example: "Flash needs to be alive in the JL movie, so don't kill off Flash." That simple. That would give the solo directors a ton of freedom to truly do what they want (within reason). In that sense, it would actually be more like the comics. Each hero has their solo series, and then there's a crossover series, but the former often doesn't directly build to or relate to the latter. They're just stories set in the same universe and featuring the same characters. But it's not like a long-running TV show where everything needs to be mapped out from the beginning.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 3:55:56 GMT
Again, I don't see this approach working. The term "too many chefs" comes to mind. Writing the crossover films would be a headache if you did it this way. If you didn't have all the moving parts planned out and scheduled, you wouldn't be able to ensure you could get enough people to show up on set to justify a Justice League film. No, that's not a pun.
Comic books in and of themselves are series. That's the point. So I look at the MCU and DCEU as series, because that's what they are. Or a book. Then again, I don't expect you to admit Marvel might to be onto something with their approach.
As for creative freedom, just letting Zack Snyder have his way with Superman turned the Big Blue Boy Scout into a boring, brooding Batman clone.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 4:01:40 GMT
Again, I don't see this approach working. The term "too many chefs" comes to mind. Writing the crossover films would be a headache if you did it this way. If you didn't have all the moving parts planned out and scheduled, you wouldn't be able to ensure you could get enough people to show up on set to justify a Justice League film. No, that's not a pun. Comic books in and of themselves are series. That's the point. So I look at the MCU and DCEU as series, because that's what they are. Or a book. Then again, I don't expect you to admit Marvel might to be onto something with their approach. As for creative freedom, just letting Zack Snyder have his way with Superman turned the Big Blue Boy Scout into a boring, brooding Batman clone. Aw geez. Here's comes the stupid "Dennis hates Marvel" shit from you. Let me remind you what I said in the other thread: It's fair to say that Marvel has been better at constructing a cohesive cinematic universe. I'm comparing what Marvel has done with what DC has done. Marvel has done it better. I've already said as much. But my point is that DC didn't stick to a plan that COULD have worked (which is essentially what I laid out). They just never actually tried it. They started meddling in the movies almost immediately. Funnily enough, most of your "response" just ignored everything I've said before.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 4:06:35 GMT
No, I read what you said and replied. Based on what you described, I can only picture a House of Cards.
Their filmmaker driven plan produced an under-performing, divisive Superman film. They'd have been insane to pursue it any further.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 4:09:11 GMT
No, I read what you said and replied. Based on what you described, I can only picture a House of Cards. Their filmmaker driven plan produced an under-performing, divisive Superman film. They'd have been insane to pursue it any further. No... you didn't. You ignored what I said previously that already rebutted your dumb assertions. But we're kinda used to that from you at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 4:17:44 GMT
No, I didn't ignore anything you said. You just don't like that I disagree, and my assertions are legitimate. You also don't want to admit Warner Bros may have made a mistake giving Zack Snyder too much power.
And I'm kinda used to you implying the MCU is inherently inferior.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 4:28:11 GMT
No, I didn't ignore anything you said. You just don't like that I disagree, and my assertions are legitimate. You also don't want to admit Warner Bros may have made a mistake giving Zack Snyder too much power. And I'm kinda used to you implying the MCU is inherently inferior. You sure did. Shall we go back and review? Your dumb assertion: What I said to you a few days ago in your Marvel vs DC thread: As we can see, you ignored anything positive I've said about the MCU just because I'm not 100% positive about it. Pretty stupid of you. But there's more. Your next dumb assertion: And I already addressed this earlier in this very thread: So there are two clear-cut examples of you just ignoring what I've said so you can push your dumb argument. I have no doubt you'll try to tap-dance around this, but there are the facts. Clear for all to see. So go ahead and tap away.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 4:39:16 GMT
I'm beginning to remember why I had you on my Ignore list back on IMDb Prime.
No, I didn't ignore the positives you had to say. Your every comment about the MCU is laced with an underlying "the MCU is inferior" tone and your preaching about how the "filmmaker based approach" would be better makes me not quite believe your positive statements. Ignoring your comments and not quite believing you are two separate matters.
As for "Geoff Johns to make sure that the character is consistent with how he/she is supposed to be." That did not specify if you were talking about keeping them consistent with how they're supposed to be in the comics, or the film universe they're working on. You've already expressed your strong fondness for Man of Steel, so I assumed you meant the latter.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 4:45:05 GMT
I'm beginning to remember why I had you on my Ignore list back on IMDb Prime. No, I didn't ignore the positives you had to say. Your every comment about the MCU is laced with an underlying "the MCU is inferior" tone and your preaching about how the "filmmaker based approach" would be better makes me not quite believe your positive statements. Ignoring your comments and not quite believing you are two separate matters. As for "Geoff Johns to make sure that the character is consistent with how he/she is supposed to be." That did not specify if you were talking about keeping them consistent with how they're supposed to be in the comics, or the film universe they're working on. You've already expressed your strong fondness for Man of Steel, so I assumed you meant the latter. I'm sorry, but I just have a very low tolerance for ignorant people. Also, I never said this would be "better" than what Marvel does. Just that it would be different. But you get so goddamn butthurt when people don't bow before Marvel that it somehow affects your reading comprehension.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 4:47:18 GMT
"I'm sorry, I have a very low tolerance for ignorant people." Right back at you.
My reading comprehension is just fine. It's allowed me to see right through you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 4:52:11 GMT
"I'm sorry, I have a very low tolerance for ignorant people." Right back at you. My reading comprehension is just fine. It's allowed me to see right through you. Apparently it's not fine, otherwise you wouldn't have consistently ignored what I said. But just as I suspected, you started tap-dancing around it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 4:54:43 GMT
Except I didn't. I just don't buy your narrative, just as you claim not to buy mine.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 4:56:09 GMT
Except I didn't. I just don't buy your narrative, just as you claim not to buy mine. We've already demonstrated that you did, but keep on tappin'.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 5:02:04 GMT
Actually, you didn't, and I already explained how.
"Marvel does a better job of creating a cohesive cinematic universe." I don't believe you, pure and simple. "Keep the characters the way they're supposed to be." Failed to denote if you talking about the comics or the films. Assumed the latter because you stated you really like MoS.
So you keep on tappin'.
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