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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 16, 2018 2:28:27 GMT
Given that A Wrinkle in Time hasn’t been well received, shouldn’t that put an end to this idea that critics will like anything solely on the grounds of if it empowers women or non-whites?
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Post by darkpast on Mar 16, 2018 2:32:08 GMT
NO, critics gave WW a pass cause it was mediocre
WiT got bad reviews cause it was unwatchable mess
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2018 2:37:12 GMT
Given that A Wrinkle in Time hasn’t been well received, shouldn’t that put an end to this idea that critics will like anything solely on the grounds of if it empowers women or non-whites? It was overrated because of feminism. It wouldn't have been afforded the luxury of being overrated if it had stunk the house out.
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Post by politicidal on Mar 16, 2018 2:46:42 GMT
No, for some folks, A Wrinkle In Time still didn't bomb hard enough apparently. It's the Internet, there's always dissent.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2018 2:51:59 GMT
No, for some folks, A Wrinkle In Time still didn't bomb hard enough apparently. It's the Internet, there's always dissent. 41% RT critic score and 35% audience score is pretty bad. It will struggle to break even at the BO unless it finds an audience overseas.
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Post by scabab on Mar 16, 2018 3:52:42 GMT
It probably got better reviews than it ordinarily would have gotten same with Black Panther but both were good movies so would have got good reviews regardless even if it wasn't in the 90% range.
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 16, 2018 4:18:21 GMT
It probably got better reviews than it ordinarily would have gotten same with Black Panther but both were good movies so would have got good reviews regardless even if it wasn't in the 90% range. Actually, Wonder Woman's high reviews are accurate, but Black Panther's reviews are artificially boosted by critics afraid of giving Black Panther a bad rating for fear of being labeled as racists. Just look at the difference between the RT critics' rating and the RT audience rating. The difference for Wonder Woman is only 4% (92% by critics and 88% by audience). So we can say with certainty that there's a general consensus that Wonder Woman is a 90% movie. The difference for Black Panther is a whopping 18% (97% by critics and 79% by audience). So its' far from a consensus that Black Panther is a 90% or higher movie. In fact, if we give the critics' rating and the audience rating equal weight and averaged the ratings, then Black Panther comes in at only 88%, which is considerably less than the 97% that critics gave it and which is also lower than the 90% average that Wonder Woman comes in at. So we can say for certainty that there's a general consensus that Wonder Woman is a 90% movie, but we can't say that for Black Panther because of the huge discrepancy between the critics' ratings and the audience rating. The whopping difference certainly indicates that Black Panther got higher reviews due to artificial boosters - namely, the critics being afraid of being labeled racists if they gave Black Panther a bad rating.
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Post by sostie on Mar 16, 2018 9:37:45 GMT
It probably got better reviews than it ordinarily would have gotten same with Black Panther but both were good movies so would have got good reviews regardless even if it wasn't in the 90% range. The difference for Wonder Woman is only 4% (92% by critics and 88% by audience). So we can say with certainty that there's a general consensus that Wonder Woman is a 90% movie. Still trying to find a way in which Wonder Woman remains top eh. So I guess if this is your new angle you have to concede that Spider-Man Homecoming (92%/88%) and Civil War (91/89 ) are as good as WW , and Avengers (92/91), Iron Man (94/91) and Guardians Of The Galaxy (91/92) are all better. Otherwise that whole post of yours was utterly meaningless and wrong, and once again, you have been owned.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Mar 16, 2018 9:40:12 GMT
It probably got better reviews than it ordinarily would have gotten same with Black Panther but both were good movies so would have got good reviews regardless even if it wasn't in the 90% range. Actually, Wonder Woman's high reviews are accurate, but Black Panther's reviews are artificially boosted by critics afraid of giving Black Panther a bad rating for fear of being labeled as racists. Just look at the difference between the RT critics' rating and the RT audience rating. The difference for Wonder Woman is only 4% (92% by critics and 88% by audience). So we can say with certainty that there's a general consensus that Wonder Woman is a 90% movie. The difference for Black Panther is a whopping 18% (97% by critics and 79% by audience). So its' far from a consensus that Black Panther is a 90% or higher movie. In fact, if we give the critics' rating and the audience rating equal weight and averaged the ratings, then Black Panther comes in at only 88%, which is considerably less than the 97% that critics gave it and which is also lower than the 90% average that Wonder Woman comes in at. So we can say for certainty that there's a general consensus that Wonder Woman is a 90% movie, but we can't say that for Black Panther because of the huge discrepancy between the critics' ratings and the audience rating. The whopping difference certainly indicates that Black Panther got higher reviews due to artificial boosters - namely, the critics being afraid of being labeled racists if they gave Black Panther a bad rating. I still see you continue to deflect or ignore the fact that Black Panther is the Best Superhero film ever according to the RottenTomatoes list, which you have claimed more than once is accurate and more accurate than the regular RT score. So why ignore it?? Why? Why? Why?
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Mar 16, 2018 11:02:08 GMT
This argument was only used by the usual suspects of modest analytical skills anyway. WW got good reviews because it had
- Good writing, twists and character arcs: With a overpowered hero not being written as a Mary Sue but being wrong and learning about the nature of man.
- It treated the subject of world war and the horrors of war respectfully - remember films with similar storylines had laser gun battles in the time of Holocaust. - Good interaction between male and female characters without depicting males as useless or toxic.
- Most importanly , it took risks: In a toxic manchild genre where the very few female-led films flopped mercilessly, it created the first successful female led CBM and an media sensation - and it even conquered a new audience which s the hardest thing to do.
Just the facts, folks.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2018 12:31:35 GMT
It probably got better reviews than it ordinarily would have gotten same with Black Panther but both were good movies so would have got good reviews regardless even if it wasn't in the 90% range. Actually, Wonder Woman's high reviews are accurate, but Black Panther's reviews are artificially boosted by critics afraid of giving Black Panther a bad rating for fear of being labeled as racists. Just look at the difference between the RT critics' rating and the RT audience rating. The difference for Wonder Woman is only 4% (92% by critics and 88% by audience). So we can say with certainty that there's a general consensus that Wonder Woman is a 90% movie. The difference for Black Panther is a whopping 18% (97% by critics and 79% by audience). So its' far from a consensus that Black Panther is a 90% or higher movie. In fact, if we give the critics' rating and the audience rating equal weight and averaged the ratings, then Black Panther comes in at only 88%, which is considerably less than the 97% that critics gave it and which is also lower than the 90% average that Wonder Woman comes in at. So we can say for certainty that there's a general consensus that Wonder Woman is a 90% movie, but we can't say that for Black Panther because of the huge discrepancy between the critics' ratings and the audience rating. The whopping difference certainly indicates that Black Panther got higher reviews due to artificial boosters - namely, the critics being afraid of being labeled racists if they gave Black Panther a bad rating. Black Panther is the greatest superhero movie of all time according to adjusted scores calculated using a weighted Bayesian formula. editorial.rottentomatoes.com/guide/best-superhero-movies-of-all-time/3/
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2018 12:39:38 GMT
To me it did sometimes seem like people where praising Wonder Woman simply because it had a female lead.
I mean the movie is good. But i have a problem with people who only praise it to be political correct.
And i kind of have the feeling that the praise of Black Panther has more to do with the fact that its a black lead than whether or not the movie is good. Of course it may be a great movie i have not seen it.
And now i am sure people will call me a racist sexist pig for saying that.
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Post by scabab on Mar 16, 2018 15:36:35 GMT
If we're going to talk about User ratings then IMDb would be better suited than Rotten Tomatoes as there's a significantly higher amount of votes in comparison.
Wonder Woman has a 7.5 and Black Panther 7.9. The latter will likely drop a little more but they'll still be on par.
Wonder Woman has a 90% on Google and Black Panther has a 92% so you'd need to take it all into account.
Both movies got good reviews so it doesn't particularly matter either way.
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Post by politicidal on Mar 16, 2018 17:51:12 GMT
No, for some folks, A Wrinkle In Time still didn't bomb hard enough apparently. It's the Internet, there's always dissent. 41% RT critic score and 35% audience score is pretty bad. It will struggle to break even at the BO unless it finds an audience overseas. Apparently it should have done worse and based off that, that proves critics are biased. Or so I've been told.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 17, 2018 2:08:03 GMT
Good writing, twists and character arcs Everything was predictable, from Ares not being behind the war, to him being the British guy...damn everything. Actually, she was. Her whole arc was "Woman-child becoming less of a woman-child, due to the spineless writers never putting her in real danger." Lightly. Because they weren't afraid to shy away from the impact alien tech being discovered would have, instead of a bland generic Holocaust exploitation flick. No, they were plenty useless except as plot devices. Not really. It just was decent after several flops, which made it look better than it was.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Mar 17, 2018 9:58:49 GMT
I saw more backlash to Wonder Woman being overrated than it actually getting overrated.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Mar 17, 2018 10:29:23 GMT
Of course it's Dead because it was bullshit since the beginning.
Same with the so called SJW argument with Black Panther.
People got butthurt because the comic book movies with a female lead and a POC lead got good reviews and are box office hits. They obviously wanted the film's to be reviewed negatively and be box office bombs, so when neither are those happened they jumped on the anti-SJW and anti-feminist bandwagon.
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Post by damngumby on Mar 17, 2018 14:47:57 GMT
Given that A Wrinkle in Time hasn’t been well received, shouldn’t that put an end to this idea that critics will like anything solely on the grounds of if it empowers women or non-whites? Feminist/SJW critics aren’t completely stupid. They’re not going to give a very bad film a good review. That would be too obviously agenda driven. But they could get away with giving a mediocre film a better review than it deserves. WW certainly benefited from some girl-power reviews, but I think it also benefited from some pity reviews. You know, like when the dumb kid finally scores a C+ on a test and receives a disproportionate amount of adulation from the adults. DC is that kid. Wonder Woman is the C+.
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 17, 2018 20:16:43 GMT
Of course it's Dead because it was bullshit since the beginning. Same with the so called SJW argument with Black Panther. The Wonder Woman reviews were accurate, but the Black Panther's reviews are artificially boosted by critics afraid of giving Black Panther a bad rating for fear of being labeled as racists. Just look at the difference between the RT critics' rating and the RT audience rating. The difference for Wonder Woman is only 4% (92% by critics and 88% by audience). So we can say with certainty that there's a general consensus that Wonder Woman is a 90% movie. The difference for Black Panther is a whopping 18% (97% by critics and 79% by audience). So its' far from a consensus that Black Panther is a 90% or higher movie. In fact, if we give the critics' rating and the audience rating equal weight and averaged the ratings, then Black Panther comes in at only 88%, which is considerably less than the 97% that critics gave it and which is also lower than the 90% average that Wonder Woman comes in at. So we can say for certainty that there's a general consensus that Wonder Woman is a 90% movie, but we can't say that for Black Panther because of the huge discrepancy between the critics' ratings and the audience rating. The whopping difference certainly indicates that Black Panther got higher reviews due to artificial boosters - namely, the critics being afraid of being labeled racists if they gave Black Panther a bad rating.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 17, 2018 20:18:57 GMT
Of course it's Dead because it was bullshit since the beginning. Same with the so called SJW argument with Black Panther. The Wonder Woman reviews were accurate Accurately inflated. BP made history for the secret conspiracies to downvote it because of the racists. Thus is the result.
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