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Post by HumanFundRecipient on Mar 20, 2018 16:43:45 GMT
He (the older brother) was someone you wanted to punch in the face in Jurassic World. That and being a bad actor isn't always the same thing. The movie is basically a John Hughes-ish teen movie, but with a precedent setting gay lead character (the first such time in a major studio movie). Funny when it needed to be, dramatic when it had to be. Even though some may deem Love, Simon unnecessary, there are still who hold hostile views towards gay people, just there are those who think nothing of it. i didnt mind the gay topic at all (why would i) but the movie didnt work for me because of how they built the chemistry between the actors. i kept wishing Martin (Logan) was Blue. Because they had a really good chemistry together - not necessarily romantic but there was some connection building, that, if accompanied by what was in the letter, could have been really strong. But he had NO connection (from the viewers point of view) to the black guy, who he shared screen with only for like one or two scenes. i get that it was supposed to be a guessing game for the viewer but in the end i wanted to be happy that the particular couple got together and i found myself wishing it had been Simon with Martin…. so…. oh well. it was an ok movie. not great, not bad. cant see why it has 91 on RT though. nowhere near to the perfectly clicking machines of John Hughes magic.
One, I've heard/seen the name John Hughes mentioned in other reviews, and since Hughes is best known for writing/directing/producing teen movies- and Love Simon is a teen movie, that's why I mentioned it. Two, the idea you suggest is in "I have to sit down for this" territory. Not necessarily needed for this movie, and probably a huge contradiction.
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Post by Nora on Mar 21, 2018 2:14:26 GMT
i didnt mind the gay topic at all (why would i) but the movie didnt work for me because of how they built the chemistry between the actors. i kept wishing Martin (Logan) was Blue. Because they had a really good chemistry together - not necessarily romantic but there was some connection building, that, if accompanied by what was in the letter, could have been really strong. But he had NO connection (from the viewers point of view) to the black guy, who he shared screen with only for like one or two scenes. i get that it was supposed to be a guessing game for the viewer but in the end i wanted to be happy that the particular couple got together and i found myself wishing it had been Simon with Martin…. so…. oh well. it was an ok movie. not great, not bad. cant see why it has 91 on RT though. nowhere near to the perfectly clicking machines of John Hughes magic.
One, I've heard/seen the name John Hughes mentioned in other reviews, and since Hughes is best known for writing/directing/producing teen movies- and Love Simon is a teen movie, that's why I mentioned it. Two, the idea you suggest is in "I have to sit down for this" territory. Not necessarily needed for this movie, and probably a huge contradiction. what do you mean? are you talking about Martin potentially being Blue? What would be so "have to sit down for this" or contradictory about it?
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Post by HumanFundRecipient on Mar 21, 2018 19:20:44 GMT
Probably the whole scene at the whole homecoming football game declaring his feelings for Abby in front of everyone. I doubt that a person in a situation like "Blue" and Simon would bring attention to themselves while pretending to be straight. And roughly 20 minutes of movie would have been saved had Martin confessed to Simon out in the parking lot scene.
Yet, I'm perfectly satisfied with the end result, because not every movie needs those gotcha endings.
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Post by Nora on Mar 22, 2018 3:59:17 GMT
Probably the whole scene at the whole homecoming football game declaring his feelings for Abby in front of everyone. I doubt that a person in a situation like "Blue" and Simon would bring attention to themselves while pretending to be straight. And roughly 20 minutes of movie would have been saved had Martin confessed to Simon out in the parking lot scene. Yet, I'm perfectly satisfied with the end result, because not every movie needs those gotcha endings. i agree the homecoming football scene would have made the ending very conflicting if my way. but my end wouldnt have been a gotcha ending the way i see it they had the best chemistry and connection, something that really developed and made sense. unlike his friendship with Abby whom he chose to be the first one to tell he is gay. Why. the other girl / Lea i think? seemed to have been a much closer friend of his. didnt click for me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 5:26:52 GMT
I thought being a closet gay was over and done with. Why is it making a comeback now? Teens who hide their sexual orientation have higher suicide risk www.reuters.com/article/us-health-teens-lgbtq-suicide/teens-who-hide-their-sexual-orientation-have-higher-suicide-risk-idUSKBN1GV2WR Some of us still hide our sexuality out of fear of discrimination and being cast out by our family and friends. In Hollywood there are a lot of actors and actresses (in particular) who still hide their sexuality now 'cause they are worried it will ruin their careers and it is not surprising 'cause a number of actresses and singers who have come out have seen their careers destroyed or the roles they were getting in movies dry up. Heather Graham recently said she was close to 6 actresses who were gay but were afraid of coming out and took beards with them everywhere they went so the media wouldn't suspect a thing. Actresses who have come out recently have spoken about overhearing conversations by studio heads about their sexuality and they were made to sign contracts that they would hide their sexuality 'cause the studio believed their sexuality would ruin the success of the movies they were working on. ![](https://s17.postimg.org/vo3p87rmn/breloom_sprite_by_xpoison_cherryx-d4j0483.gif)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 17:45:42 GMT
Well what the back is wrong with them? We live in the 21st century now.
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Post by darkpast on Mar 24, 2018 2:45:53 GMT
this was just ok in my opinion , the cast looked too clean like they just came from the set of High School Musical 5
better coming of age high school movies out there like The Perks of Being a Wallflower
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Post by Nora on Apr 4, 2018 2:34:24 GMT
yeah, thats exactly how i felt before going to see it. now that i have seen it i don't feel that much different, BUT it does have its moments and it does have two great actors in it (playing the roles of Simon and Martin) and its light and fairly entertaining so it wasn't a total waste of time. And I do get why it is unique - I think its very rare that a mainstream teen rom-com movie is made with a gay kid in the center. Without any additional drama or dark spins etc. Its just your regular mainstream easy and light teen rom-com, but the main character is gay. I ended up seeing this twice funnily enough over the past 4 days. I thought it was a bit superficial, with the take the easy HW approach; but it was still well made and had a good message. It wasn't really made for jaded viewers like me. I agree with what you commented on earlier and it would have made so much more sense had Martin been Blue. They played his character as a manipulating plot devise and his persona didn't come off as believable as Abby being the one he wanted, as opposed to how he acted around Simon and some of the things he said and commented on. He even asked Simon if he wanted to sleep over, even after he knew about the emails.
To me, it appeared like it was playing the pc card, with Blue being black, Jewish and gay. Wow! What a triple whammy. glad you see that connection too. btw i must ask - how did you end up seeing it twice in 4 days? we both know it wasn't that great ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) let me guess. two different dates wanted to see the same movie?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2018 7:54:41 GMT
Well what the back is wrong with them? We live in the 21st century now. Sadly some people still live in the 16th century and like to force their outdated backwards views on everybody. It is particularly sad in Hollywood 'cause it is said to be such a progressive place but many stories from behind the scenes have exposed that to be a lie in the past decade. ![](https://s9.postimg.org/owc7g4tkv/sleepy_mareep_by_miijolly.gif)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2018 8:06:39 GMT
Teens who hide their sexual orientation have higher suicide risk Some of us still hide our sexuality out of fear of discrimination and being cast out by our family and friends. In Hollywood there are a lot of actors and actresses (in particular) who still hide their sexuality now 'cause they are worried it will ruin their careers and it is not surprising 'cause a number of actresses and singers who have come out have seen their careers destroyed or the roles they were getting in movies dry up. Heather Graham recently said she was close to 6 actresses who were gay but were afraid of coming out and took beards with them everywhere they went so the media wouldn't suspect a thing. Actresses who have come out recently have spoken about overhearing conversations by studio heads about their sexuality and they were made to sign contracts that they would hide their sexuality 'cause the studio believed their sexuality would ruin the success of the movies they were working on. That is why the film industry and Hollywood in particular, is full of hypocritical s<>t when it comes to sexuality. Of all the professions, this industry is rife with homosexuality, but the simpleminded herd who take being straight for granted, are being pandered too for being what they perceive as "normal". The almighty dollar is what rings through first and foremost. Hollywood will then make films to showcase gay characters, the bigotry they face, and champion actors who play them because they are so brave for playing them because they are "purportedly" heterosexual "normal". Then, from an insidious corporate level, would rather have their stars hide behind their beards because of the "normal" image they are supposed to represent and portray. They are afraid of culture shock. It's freakin' sick! Yes. You're right. Hollywood is full of hypocrisy and has been for the longest of time when it comes to homosexuality and while the TV industry has changed and come a long way with their representation of female characters and LGBT characters Hollywood still has a long way to go and when they are still treating actors and actresses like dirt 'cause of their sexuality behind the scenes and forcing them to hide it 'cause they are worried it is going to ruin the reputation of their movies and the so-called 'normal' image they want them to portray it explains why they have been so pathetic with representation in movies and why so many LGBT characters are always killed off, fucked straight or given unhappy endings. What is surprising is we have movie and TV studios turning down homosexual actors and actresses from playing homosexual roles 'cause they don't think they are 'gay' enough and while I have nothing against having hetero actors and actresses playing homosexual roles 'cause some of them have been good and we have had a lot of homosexual actors and actresses playing hetero roles going back to Rock Hudson, Cary Grant and Katherine Hepburn how a homosexual actor can be knocked back for not being 'gay' enough to play a role is ridiculous and discriminatory. ![](https://s9.postimg.org/kyoxqt6sf/free_bayleef_avy_by_acidkitty3-d3dwmz8.gif)
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Post by Nora on Apr 6, 2018 22:46:16 GMT
Toasted Cheese why is Philadelphia so bad in your eyes? Re love, simon - I think the marketing was "off". It was marketed as "gay romance movie" which I agree could have put some people off, but it should have been marketed as a regular teen romance movie. Mainstream teen comedy. which in my eyes is what it was. the gay element was unimportant (in the sense that it could have been any other secret or struggle) thus it did more bad than good to be marketed as gay romance movie I think. People were then expecting it to be much heaveier /intellectual perhaps. I did too. I mean this whole thread started with me not being able to find reasons to go see it. Had i known its a mainstream teen comedy i would have been much more xcited about it before hand. i cannot get on board with members of certain group only playing characters with the same trait. where does it end? only people with big noses being able to play characters with big noses? would another actress with a bigger nose perhaps do a better job than nicole kidman with a fake big nose in Hours? Isnt it a sign of a good actor being able to play even something they cannot really relate to? have you seen Garace and Frankie? Those gay scenes are some of my favorite ones. What do you think about those?
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