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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 13:11:41 GMT
Yes. They have. While I haven't been a fan of some versions of the superheroes and villains they have had in the 'Arrowverse' the 'Arrowverse' and the showrunners have done far more for superheroes than the DCEU have and have featured appearances from many superheroes fans have been waiting decades to see on screen. I liked the 'Arrowverse's version of 'Jonah Hex' was than the movie version and if it wasn't for 'Smallville' using the Green Arrow 'Arrow' would most likely not exist 'cause 'Smallville' took one of DC's lesser known superheroes and made him one of their most popular ones and I was reading someting about the Green Arrow the other day and since he appeared in 'Smallville' and got his own show with 'Arrow' the Green Arrow has gone onto to become one of their top 10 biggest selling superheroes of all time. 'Smallville' not only had the Green Arrow and Booster Gold but also had Supergirl, the Black Canary, Martian Manhunter, Zatanna, Saturn Girl, Lightning Lad, Cosmic Boy, Doctor Fate, Stargirl, Hawkman, Aquaman, Cyborg etc. And I was pleasantly surprised to see the Justice Society of America in LOT. That Booster Gold appearance in Smallville is one of the few episodes I've seen of that show, and it was a good one. One thing I didn't like though was killing Ronnie Raymond as I liked him as Firestorm. Yeah. I was kinda disappointed over them killing Ronnie Raymond off so early too and always liked him more than Jax even though I think Jax worked better with Martin Stein. I didn't know the actor was in another show at the time (as cjdull76 pointed out) so that might explain it since they wanted an actor that could be full time for Firestorm in 'DC's Legends of Tomorrow.' I am still surprised over the way they got rid of the Hawks 'cause even though they were very disappointing versions of the characters they gave Kendra a lot of screen time and made them out to be of high importance and now they are gone and never seen again. I noticed they mentioned them in this week's episode though which I think was the first time since they left and hopefully that isn't a hint they are returning. As for 'Cloak and Dagger' it looks like a crossover with 'The Runaways' might happen if the showrunner gets his way. Marvel’s Cloak & Dagger Showrunner Wants a Runaways TV Crossoverscreenrant.com/marvel-cloak-dagger-runaways-tv-crossover/
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Post by hardball on Apr 14, 2018 14:43:34 GMT
And I was pleasantly surprised to see the Justice Society of America in LOT. That Booster Gold appearance in Smallville is one of the few episodes I've seen of that show, and it was a good one. One thing I didn't like though was killing Ronnie Raymond as I liked him as Firestorm. Yeah. I was kinda disappointed over them killing Ronnie Raymond off so early too and always liked him more than Jax even though I think Jax worked better with Martin Stein. I didn't know the actor was in another show at the time (as cjdull76 pointed out) so that might explain it since they wanted an actor that could be full time for Firestorm in 'DC's Legends of Tomorrow.' I am still surprised over the way they got rid of the Hawks 'cause even though they were very disappointing versions of the characters they gave Kendra a lot of screen time and made them out to be of high importance and now they are gone and never seen again. I noticed they mentioned them in this week's episode though which I think was the first time since they left and hopefully that isn't a hint they are returning. As for 'Cloak and Dagger' it looks like a crossover with 'The Runaways' might happen if the showrunner gets his way. Marvel’s Cloak & Dagger Showrunner Wants a Runaways TV Crossoverscreenrant.com/marvel-cloak-dagger-runaways-tv-crossover/Yes Robbie Amell was cast in the X Files season 10 and I think it was around the same time as The Flash, so that explains it. Still it's kind of disappointing that the CW got rid of both Firestorms. Powers and effects wise he was one of my favorites. I also noticed that Ray doesn't put on the Atom as much as used too. Is the CGI getting too expensive? A crossover between the Runaways and Cloak and Dagger would be nice. If we can't have the TV characters crossing over with the MCU, then this will be the next best thing. RE the Hawks. Yeah I'm surprised about it too. There was quite a buildup for Kendra, appearing in the Flash before becoming an integral part of LOT S1. i hadn't thought of them in a while until Rory mentioned the "flying hawk chickens" in the last episode.
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Post by General Kenobi on Apr 15, 2018 12:30:07 GMT
I forgot he was in the X-Files.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2018 13:58:33 GMT
Yeah. I was kinda disappointed over them killing Ronnie Raymond off so early too and always liked him more than Jax even though I think Jax worked better with Martin Stein. I didn't know the actor was in another show at the time (as cjdull76 pointed out) so that might explain it since they wanted an actor that could be full time for Firestorm in 'DC's Legends of Tomorrow.' I am still surprised over the way they got rid of the Hawks 'cause even though they were very disappointing versions of the characters they gave Kendra a lot of screen time and made them out to be of high importance and now they are gone and never seen again. I noticed they mentioned them in this week's episode though which I think was the first time since they left and hopefully that isn't a hint they are returning. As for 'Cloak and Dagger' it looks like a crossover with 'The Runaways' might happen if the showrunner gets his way. Marvel’s Cloak & Dagger Showrunner Wants a Runaways TV Crossoverscreenrant.com/marvel-cloak-dagger-runaways-tv-crossover/ Yes Robbie Amell was cast in the X Files season 10 and I think it was around the same time as The Flash, so that explains it. Still it's kind of disappointing that the CW got rid of both Firestorms. Powers and effects wise he was one of my favorites. I also noticed that Ray doesn't put on the Atom as much as used too. Is the CGI getting too expensive? A crossover between the Runaways and Cloak and Dagger would be nice. If we can't have the TV characters crossing over with the MCU, then this will be the next best thing. RE the Hawks. Yeah I'm surprised about it too. There was quite a buildup for Kendra, appearing in the Flash before becoming an integral part of LOT S1. i hadn't thought of them in a while until Rory mentioned the "flying hawk chickens" in the last episode. Thanks for letting me know about that. It was disappointing they got rid of both Firestorms but the characters were kinda disappointing from the start even though I liked Victor 'cause of the budget of the shows and they didn't use them together as Firestorm nearly as much as they should have in my opinion and it made the team look silly 'cause together as Firestorm Martin and Jax were really powerful and could have defeated a lot of villains the rest of the team struggled to fight in a few seconds but maybe that was the other reason they didn't have them together that much. I think with the Hawks the showrunners were disappointing with the reaction they got with them from fans and had they been more popular they would probably still be in the show now since they pushed them to be some of the main stars but they were both awful and it didn't help that 'Smallville' had a heaps better version of Hawkman in the latter seasons that made their version look really boring.
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Post by General Kenobi on Apr 16, 2018 16:34:56 GMT
Of course the best Hawk Man is still Brian Blessed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2018 11:57:20 GMT
I dont mind it. Trailer looks pretty cool
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Post by hardball on Apr 17, 2018 14:02:05 GMT
Yes Robbie Amell was cast in the X Files season 10 and I think it was around the same time as The Flash, so that explains it. Still it's kind of disappointing that the CW got rid of both Firestorms. Powers and effects wise he was one of my favorites. I also noticed that Ray doesn't put on the Atom as much as used too. Is the CGI getting too expensive? A crossover between the Runaways and Cloak and Dagger would be nice. If we can't have the TV characters crossing over with the MCU, then this will be the next best thing. RE the Hawks. Yeah I'm surprised about it too. There was quite a buildup for Kendra, appearing in the Flash before becoming an integral part of LOT S1. i hadn't thought of them in a while until Rory mentioned the "flying hawk chickens" in the last episode. Thanks for letting me know about that. It was disappointing they got rid of both Firestorms but the characters were kinda disappointing from the start even though I liked Victor 'cause of the budget of the shows and they didn't use them together as Firestorm nearly as much as they should have in my opinion and it made the team look silly 'cause together as Firestorm Martin and Jax were really powerful and could have defeated a lot of villains the rest of the team struggled to fight in a few seconds but maybe that was the other reason they didn't have them together that much. I think with the Hawks the showrunners were disappointing with the reaction they got with them from fans and had they been more popular they would probably still be in the show now since they pushed them to be some of the main stars but they were both awful and it didn't help that 'Smallville' had a heaps better version of Hawkman in the latter seasons that made their version look really boring. I thought the Hawkman actor was stiff and wasn't really much of a character, more like a plot device than anything else. While some of the complaints against Kendra were low blows, there were legitimate gripes about the character, and from what I remember - I could be wrong - it just seemed like the hawks were weak and in constant need of rescuing. Agree with the team's misuse of Firestorm. Looking at the lineup of the Legends, they're actually very powerful especially now that they've got a speedster, but they never seem to harness their full power. Why isn't Atom going into Giant Man mode again? Was that a one time thing? I can't remember. I also hope they do something with Wally. He was taken out of the Flash because he really wasn't doing anything, and so far that's also been the case at LOT.
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Post by General Kenobi on Apr 17, 2018 21:09:52 GMT
Unimaginative writers who have no idea how to write believable characters and how to properly utilize superpowers. The real archnemesis of this series.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2018 11:51:57 GMT
Thanks for letting me know about that. It was disappointing they got rid of both Firestorms but the characters were kinda disappointing from the start even though I liked Victor 'cause of the budget of the shows and they didn't use them together as Firestorm nearly as much as they should have in my opinion and it made the team look silly 'cause together as Firestorm Martin and Jax were really powerful and could have defeated a lot of villains the rest of the team struggled to fight in a few seconds but maybe that was the other reason they didn't have them together that much. I think with the Hawks the showrunners were disappointing with the reaction they got with them from fans and had they been more popular they would probably still be in the show now since they pushed them to be some of the main stars but they were both awful and it didn't help that 'Smallville' had a heaps better version of Hawkman in the latter seasons that made their version look really boring. I thought the Hawkman actor was stiff and wasn't really much of a character, more like a plot device than anything else. While some of the complaints against Kendra were low blows, there were legitimate gripes about the character, and from what I remember - I could be wrong - it just seemed like the hawks were weak and in constant need of rescuing. Agree with the team's misuse of Firestorm. Looking at the lineup of the Legends, they're actually very powerful especially now that they've got a speedster, but they never seem to harness their full power. Why isn't Atom going into Giant Man mode again? Was that a one time thing? I can't remember. I also hope they do something with Wally. He was taken out of the Flash because he really wasn't doing anything, and so far that's also been the case at LOT. Yeah. He was. I was expecting the character to be older and more experienced as a superhero ‘cause of how many years he had been around for but in ‘DC’s Legends of Tomorrow’ and the ‘Arrow/Flash’ crossover episode it was like it was the first time he had been Hawkman even though it was said that he had all of his memories from his past lives unlike Kendra. It didn’t help much that the actor wasn’t very good either but he should have been far more experienced and tried to take charge more when he was working with the Legends and Green Arrow and The Flash in the shows. In ‘Smallville’ he was a retired member of the JSA that Clark and Oliver had to convince to come out of retirement to help them and he had more personality and was grumpy and funny and teased the Green Arrow when he worked with him whereas there was none of that personality in the ‘Arrowverse’ and he was very vanilla and boring. I don’t think he was even a member of the JSA in the Arrowverse at any time which was dumb since Hawkman has been in the JSA more times than any other member.
Hawkgirl had a lot of problems too and was written to be more of a love interest to Cisco, Hawkman and Ray and it never really felt like she was her own hero in ‘DC’s Legends of Tomorrow’ but I found a lot of the complaints about her to be very shallow ‘cause instead of criticising the character people were criticising her looks and calling her ‘horse face’ and ‘bug eyes.’ and the majority of complaints I saw had nothing to do with her character. I didn't think the actress was ugly and she wasn't really my type but the ugly insults were over the top and rude. I think Atom not going into Giant Man mode most likely has something to do with the budget and if they had used it on the final episode of this season they wouldn't have been able to have a giant Beebo. I am hoping 'DC's Legends of Tomorrow' does more with Wally too and looking at the group, you are right, they are very powerful but I think they downplay their powers to make their villains look more of a threat.
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Post by General Kenobi on Apr 23, 2018 18:17:00 GMT
I doubt we'll see any of that. I said it once and I'll say it again. Unimaginative writers who have no idea how to write believable characters and how to properly utilize superpowers. The real archnemesis of this series.
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Post by hardball on Apr 27, 2018 0:22:37 GMT
I thought the Hawkman actor was stiff and wasn't really much of a character, more like a plot device than anything else. While some of the complaints against Kendra were low blows, there were legitimate gripes about the character, and from what I remember - I could be wrong - it just seemed like the hawks were weak and in constant need of rescuing. Agree with the team's misuse of Firestorm. Looking at the lineup of the Legends, they're actually very powerful especially now that they've got a speedster, but they never seem to harness their full power. Why isn't Atom going into Giant Man mode again? Was that a one time thing? I can't remember. I also hope they do something with Wally. He was taken out of the Flash because he really wasn't doing anything, and so far that's also been the case at LOT. Yeah. He was. I was expecting the character to be older and more experienced as a superhero ‘cause of how many years he had been around for but in ‘DC’s Legends of Tomorrow’ and the ‘Arrow/Flash’ crossover episode it was like it was the first time he had been Hawkman even though it was said that he had all of his memories from his past lives unlike Kendra. It didn’t help much that the actor wasn’t very good either but he should have been far more experienced and tried to take charge more when he was working with the Legends and Green Arrow and The Flash in the shows. In ‘Smallville’ he was a retired member of the JSA that Clark and Oliver had to convince to come out of retirement to help them and he had more personality and was grumpy and funny and teased the Green Arrow when he worked with him whereas there was none of that personality in the ‘Arrowverse’ and he was very vanilla and boring. I don’t think he was even a member of the JSA in the Arrowverse at any time which was dumb since Hawkman has been in the JSA more times than any other member.
Hawkgirl had a lot of problems too and was written to be more of a love interest to Cisco, Hawkman and Ray and it never really felt like she was her own hero in ‘DC’s Legends of Tomorrow’ but I found a lot of the complaints about her to be very shallow ‘cause instead of criticising the character people were criticising her looks and calling her ‘horse face’ and ‘bug eyes.’ and the majority of complaints I saw had nothing to do with her character. I didn't think the actress was ugly and she wasn't really my type but the ugly insults were over the top and rude. I think Atom not going into Giant Man mode most likely has something to do with the budget and if they had used it on the final episode of this season they wouldn't have been able to have a giant Beebo. I am hoping 'DC's Legends of Tomorrow' does more with Wally too and looking at the group, you are right, they are very powerful but I think they downplay their powers to make their villains look more of a threat. Beebo was funny, but I was hoping for something more epic. Humor is a big part of LOT and I like it, but maybe they can tone it down a bit next season as they explore myths and monsters. The reverse for Arrow. Oliver needs to lighten up. His brooding, always blaming himself act is getting old.
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Post by General Kenobi on Apr 28, 2018 13:47:27 GMT
That was an attempt at humor? Well like everything else on this show they failed miserably.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 11:39:13 GMT
Yeah. He was. I was expecting the character to be older and more experienced as a superhero ‘cause of how many years he had been around for but in ‘DC’s Legends of Tomorrow’ and the ‘Arrow/Flash’ crossover episode it was like it was the first time he had been Hawkman even though it was said that he had all of his memories from his past lives unlike Kendra. It didn’t help much that the actor wasn’t very good either but he should have been far more experienced and tried to take charge more when he was working with the Legends and Green Arrow and The Flash in the shows. In ‘Smallville’ he was a retired member of the JSA that Clark and Oliver had to convince to come out of retirement to help them and he had more personality and was grumpy and funny and teased the Green Arrow when he worked with him whereas there was none of that personality in the ‘Arrowverse’ and he was very vanilla and boring. I don’t think he was even a member of the JSA in the Arrowverse at any time which was dumb since Hawkman has been in the JSA more times than any other member.
Hawkgirl had a lot of problems too and was written to be more of a love interest to Cisco, Hawkman and Ray and it never really felt like she was her own hero in ‘DC’s Legends of Tomorrow’ but I found a lot of the complaints about her to be very shallow ‘cause instead of criticising the character people were criticising her looks and calling her ‘horse face’ and ‘bug eyes.’ and the majority of complaints I saw had nothing to do with her character. I didn't think the actress was ugly and she wasn't really my type but the ugly insults were over the top and rude. I think Atom not going into Giant Man mode most likely has something to do with the budget and if they had used it on the final episode of this season they wouldn't have been able to have a giant Beebo. I am hoping 'DC's Legends of Tomorrow' does more with Wally too and looking at the group, you are right, they are very powerful but I think they downplay their powers to make their villains look more of a threat. Beebo was funny, but I was hoping for something more epic. Humor is a big part of LOT and I like it, but maybe they can tone it down a bit next season as they explore myths and monsters. The reverse for Arrow. Oliver needs to lighten up. His brooding, always blaming himself act is getting old. I agree. Humour is a big part of ‘DC’s Legends of Tomorrow’ and when you look at the show it is hard to believe they are even set in the same universe as ‘Arrow’ sometimes ‘cause with the exception of Season 4 and Donna ‘Arrow’ is a darker show and takes things more seriously whereas ‘DC’s Legends of Tomorrow’ often make light out of the worst scenarios and they don’t feel as threatening as they would on other shows ‘cause the characters are joking around. Mallus is a good example of that and if they had Mallus on ‘Arrow’ instead of ‘DC’s Legends of Tomorrow’ he would have been written as a more serious character and we would have probably seen him beat Oliver once before midway in the season in his demon form and their final fight would have been more of a physical one without Bebo and Mallus would have been more around the size of Oliver. I think 'Arrow' does need to lighten up more and Oliver shouldn't be blaming himself and brooding all the time but at the same time I think 'DC's Legends of Tomorrow' should be more serious sometimes and not treat their villains like a joke.
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Post by General Kenobi on May 1, 2018 19:32:36 GMT
Well LoT tries to be humorous. Whether they succeed or not is debatable.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on May 2, 2018 14:35:09 GMT
June 7 can't get here soon enough.
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Post by General Kenobi on May 3, 2018 12:58:55 GMT
Refresh my memory. What's June 7 again?
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Post by taylorfirst1 on May 3, 2018 13:56:10 GMT
Refresh my memory. What's June 7 again? The premier of Cloak and Dagger.
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Post by General Kenobi on May 3, 2018 17:18:27 GMT
Y'now, that should have been obvious considering the discussion at hand. Must be having a blonde moment.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 5:48:34 GMT
Refresh my memory. What's June 7 again? The premier of Cloak and Dagger. I keep forgetting to bring this up. It looks like ‘Cloak and Dagger’ has already been a big success in America with the debut episode scoring huge ratings. It is set to premiere here in Australia on Fox 8 on the 1st of June and we will be watching it. Have you or anybody else here in America been watching ‘Cloak and Dagger’ and if so what do you think of the show so far? Is it as good as 'The Runaways' and 'The Gifted?' "Cloak and Dagger" heroes score super ratings for Freeform kwbe.com/abc_entertai/cloak-and-dagger-heroes-score-super-ratings-for-freeform-abcid36080175/
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Post by General Kenobi on Jun 18, 2018 17:39:19 GMT
Heh. Forgot about Cloak and Dagger again. Haven't seen Runways or The Gifted.
I've been rewatching this instead.
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