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Post by General Kenobi on Sept 30, 2018 15:49:37 GMT
I'm not sure what the relationship between Sony and Marvel is, so I'm not sure if Marvel can stop anything or if they have to wait until Sony let's the rights lapse.
Any insight would be deeply appreciated.
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Post by dazz on Sept 30, 2018 17:55:59 GMT
From what I understand all their licensing of the films have a clause in them that state Marvel proper has veto rights or final approval of scripts and stuff, they just never bothered because it cost money to enforce that stipulation and all that would do is hold up the films, and Marvel made money off of the films long before the MCU, so why fuck with the free money? Also from the Sony hack a few years back a letter or something from Marvel to Sony had them telling Sony a list of things Spiderman had to always be, this included Spidey has to be always white and straight, turns out it doesn't have to be Peter per say but I think arenbt the white Spidey's basically Peter, Ben Riley aka Peter's clone, atleast those who aren't killers which is another no no, Spidey can not murder, he can kill in self defense of defense of others but no straight up homicides. Heres an image of the stips Marvel enforces on Sony atleast back in 2014. So basically it's an added elemnt to their prior stip of approval this just flat out tells them before hand you cant do much to alter this character, and you cannot create your own version of this character either, but theres apparently another bit that says he also has to remain white which I just noticed is not on that image.
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Post by BexxyJ on Oct 3, 2018 13:20:09 GMT
From what I understand all their licensing of the films have a clause in them that state Marvel proper has veto rights or final approval of scripts and stuff, they just never bothered because it cost money to enforce that stipulation and all that would do is hold up the films, and Marvel made money off of the films long before the MCU, so why fuck with the free money? Also from the Sony hack a few years back a letter or something from Marvel to Sony had them telling Sony a list of things Spiderman had to always be, this included Spidey has to be always white and straight, turns out it doesn't have to be Peter per say but I think arenbt the white Spidey's basically Peter, Ben Riley aka Peter's clone, atleast those who aren't killers which is another no no, Spidey can not murder, he can kill in self defense of defense of others but no straight up homicides. Heres an image of the stips Marvel enforces on Sony atleast back in 2014. So basically it's an added elemnt to their prior stip of approval this just flat out tells them before hand you cant do much to alter this character, and you cannot create your own version of this character either, but theres apparently another bit that says he also has to remain white which I just noticed is not on that image. Does not have sex before the age of 16, does not have sex with anybody below the age of 16. Am I reading this right? WTF? Shouldn’t this be a requirement for all characters in movies and tv? No one wants to see children having sex and adults having sex with people under the age of 16 is pedophilia. That should be a requirement for every movie.
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Post by General Kenobi on Oct 3, 2018 21:31:26 GMT
I think the sex mandate came into effect because James Cameron wanted to have Spider-Man have sex with MJ atop a bridge.
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Post by dazz on Oct 3, 2018 21:58:37 GMT
Well they have this happen on shows and movies all the time, they just don't hire kids to play the roles, also they don't mean just don't show it they mean Spiderman cannot be sexually active before 16 or with anyone who isn't 16 or older, because they don't want the character to be encouraging 15 year olds into having sex, so he cant be having offscreen sexual relations but be talking about it.
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Post by General Kenobi on Oct 7, 2018 13:47:15 GMT
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Post by BexxyJ on Oct 11, 2018 7:01:00 GMT
Well they have this happen on shows and movies all the time, they just don't hire kids to play the roles, also they don't mean just don't show it they mean Spiderman cannot be sexually active before 16 or with anyone who isn't 16 or older, because they don't want the character to be encouraging 15 year olds into having sex, so he cant be having offscreen sexual relations but be talking about it. Does Spiderman have sex? I think he is too busy saving the world from Doctor Octopus, Green Goblin, Magneto and the guy who got his head stuck in a fishbowl. Damn that’s gotta suck to fit that into his day and Spiderman doesn’t look like he has the time to have sex. I don’t remember him having sex with Kirsten Dunst and Emma Stone in the movies but I heard Tobey and Kirsten and Emma and that other guy dated off camera.
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Post by dazz on Oct 11, 2018 10:57:54 GMT
Well his radioactive spunk kills MJ in one run of the comics so yeah spidey gets laid, probably why Black Cat hasn't been adapted into a film as of yet with the wall crawler, far too much sexual tension with those two characters, maybe also an issue with Silk I think her name is, you know these are Spidey films not American Pie's.
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Post by General Kenobi on Oct 11, 2018 21:57:17 GMT
Peter and MJ had a daughter who was kidnapped by Norman Osborne. Though when they chose to follow up this plot they revealed it was actually a cat. Which prompted a lot of fans to half joke baby May was turned into a cat.
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Post by BexxyJ on Oct 15, 2018 4:25:27 GMT
Well his radioactive spunk kills MJ in one run of the comics so yeah spidey gets laid, probably why Black Cat hasn't been adapted into a film as of yet with the wall crawler, far too much sexual tension with those two characters, maybe also an issue with Silk I think her name is, you know these are Spidey films not American Pie's. Radioactive sperm? That has to be a joke. Was that in an adult parody comic? How could he have that and still be alive? Wouldn’t that mean he is like Angel and he can’t sex with anybody because it would burn through a condom too? How has it not burnt his dick off?
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Post by dazz on Oct 15, 2018 7:02:29 GMT
He has superpowers you dingus, it protects him, also I assume it's a bit like a snake or spider are immune to their own venom, and no it's legit I think it's from the Reign mini series which is meant to be like The Dark Knight Returns for Spidey and on a different earth but yes there is a legit Spidey story where he has killer spunk.
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Post by General Kenobi on Oct 15, 2018 23:51:22 GMT
I don't think Reign was well received and is pretty much ignored, with the more questionable bits non-canon. Including the radioactive dude juice.
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Post by dazz on Oct 16, 2018 0:59:28 GMT
Yeah but it was an official Spidey story but then again so is a Superman story about Superman creating a mini version of himself who he then becomes jealous of and tries to kill, comics my man they be weird as fuck.
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Post by General Kenobi on Oct 16, 2018 21:33:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2018 11:42:43 GMT
Yeah. cjdull76 is right. It is possible to make a Horror movie with a PG rating and it can be enjoyable and scary but from the way people are talking about 'Venom' at the moment it sounds like it might turn out to be disappointing and we will have to wait and see. I think it might have been a mistake to give 'Venom' (a villain character) the first movie in the Sony Spiderverse too and they should have gone with some heroes first and had 'Spider Woman' and 'Spider-Man 2099' Yeah but there is a problem with that in does Sony own Spider Woman? did we ever figure that one out or is she a limbo character because she's not really a Spidey character is she? as for 2099 they wouldn't be allowed to due to the Disney/Marvel mandate unless it's been repealed in which Sony can only have Peter Parker be Spider-Man, he must be white and he must be straight.
They could have maybe gone with Miles and just give him the name he went by in the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon Kid Arachnid but otherwise give him his normal backstory, then make Venom similar to Deadpool where the narrative isn't done in chronological order, we get pieces of the present and pieces of the origin, then the film ends with Eddie as Venom finally confronting Peter as Spider who is in the shadows and Venom in the future now taking Spidey's place in the shadows facing down another criminal.
Judging on what theyare saying about Spider Woman being in 'Spider-Man Far From Home' I am pretty sure Jessica Drew belongs to Marvel since they are introducing her to the MCU and not the Sony Spiderverse and multiple sites I have read have said if she is well recieved Marvel will adapt a Spider Woman movie but we will have to wait and see. There have been rumours of Spider Woman being in other Spider-Man movies and I remember reading Sam Rami was supposed to adapt a Spider Woman movie years ago but it didn't go through after his 'Spider-Man 4' movie was dropped and SpiderGwen was supposed to be in 'The Amazing Spider-Man 3.' One thing that looks pretty certain is the rights of SpiderGwen belong to Sony and that isn't surprising since Gwen Stacy has long been one of Peter Parker's love interests but SpiderGwen is not the same Gwen that dated Peter all those years and is an alternate version of her so I wasn't sure about the rights but I have heard Sony would still claim t he rights for alternate versions of existing characters.
I have heard they are strict with the deal for using Spider-Man but I am not so sure about Spider-Man 2099 'cause it is not Peter Parker who is under that costume and Miguel O'Hara was created by Peter David and Rick Leonardi. The character and the comic books were very different than Spider-Man and if they can make Venom movies I see no reason why they couldn't make 'Spider-Man 2099' movies 'cause there is just as much difference between the characters and he has some different powers than Spider-Man.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2018 11:48:52 GMT
Sony claims to own the film rights to 900 Marvel characters. I am interested in how many spin-off characters that includes and if their rights have been separated 'cause they separated the Punisher's rights from Spider-Man when he was a Spider-Man villain for over a decade before they gave him a spin-off series of his own and Sony didn't get the rights for him 'cause of that and with the character who goes on to become Prowler appearing in 'Spider-Man: Homecoming' which was made by both Sony and the MCU Sony might not even have the rights to the Prowler and they could have been separated ages ago and they let Sony use him for that movie. I mean they must have separated the rights for the Kingpin too since he is in 'Daredevil' and was originally a Spider-Man villain created by Stan Lee who was still used up until recently as a Spider-Man villain.
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Post by General Kenobi on Nov 4, 2018 17:42:46 GMT
Well I imagine the rights extend to characters who have continuously appeared in the Spider-Man comics. Mostly supporting characters like J. Jonah Jameson and Aunt May, as well as minor heroes and villains.
Characters that have spun off into their own properties (The Punisher) or attached themselves to other properties (The Kingpin) are not connected to Spider-Man anymore.
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Post by BexxyJ on Nov 5, 2018 5:27:34 GMT
Sony claims to own the film rights to 900 Marvel characters. I am interested in how many spin-off characters that includes and if their rights have been separated 'cause they separated the Punisher's rights from Spider-Man when he was a Spider-Man villain for over a decade before they gave him a spin-off series of his own and Sony didn't get the rights for him 'cause of that and with the character who goes on to become Prowler appearing in 'Spider-Man: Homecoming' which was made by both Sony and the MCU Sony might not even have the rights to the Prowler and they could have been separated ages ago and they let Sony use him for that movie. I mean they must have separated the rights for the Kingpin too since he is in 'Daredevil' and was originally a Spider-Man villain created by Stan Lee who was still used up until recently as a Spider-Man villain. Shit. Why are the rights for Spiderman so tangled up and confusing? How did having the rights for one character turn into owning 900 additional characters you can make movies of? Who the hell comes up with this shit?
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Post by BexxyJ on Nov 5, 2018 5:29:20 GMT
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Post by BexxyJ on Nov 5, 2018 5:30:52 GMT
Well I imagine the rights extend to characters who have continuously appeared in the Spider-Man comics. Mostly supporting characters like J. Jonah Jameson and Aunt May, as well as minor heroes and villains. Characters that have spun off into their own properties (The Punisher) or attached themselves to other properties (The Kingpin) are not connected to Spider-Man anymore. What does Spiderman have to do with a Clock and Dagger thread? Clock and Dagger came from Spiderman too.
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