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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 12:16:20 GMT
Well I imagine the rights extend to characters who have continuously appeared in the Spider-Man comics. Mostly supporting characters like J. Jonah Jameson and Aunt May, as well as minor heroes and villains. Characters that have spun off into their own properties (The Punisher) or attached themselves to other properties (The Kingpin) are not connected to Spider-Man anymore. I think you are right but I wonder why the same thing doesn't go for some of the X Men characters who have gone on to have their own series and haven't appeared in X Men comic books for years and Ka-Zar was said to be one of the characters Fox owned the rights to along with The Savage Land since they both debuted in 'X Men' but Ka-Zar went on to become his own character and have his own series. Scarlet Witch on the other hand had her rights separated when she hasn't been around as long as Ka-Zar and Marvel seems to be able to use her for the MCU without needing Fox's permission. Then there is the whole case of Mystique who is a Ms Marvel villain who appeared in quite a few Ms Marvel comic books before appearing in the 'X Men' but somehow Fox got the rights for her when Marvel own the rights to Ms Marvel. It is confusing what they own and what they don't own and what characters no longer belong to a company 'cause Marvel don't own all the movie rights to their characters like Warner Bros own DC characters.
How did Marvel get the rights for Scarlet Witch?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 12:20:57 GMT
I am interested in how many spin-off characters that includes and if their rights have been separated 'cause they separated the Punisher's rights from Spider-Man when he was a Spider-Man villain for over a decade before they gave him a spin-off series of his own and Sony didn't get the rights for him 'cause of that and with the character who goes on to become Prowler appearing in 'Spider-Man: Homecoming' which was made by both Sony and the MCU Sony might not even have the rights to the Prowler and they could have been separated ages ago and they let Sony use him for that movie. I mean they must have separated the rights for the Kingpin too since he is in 'Daredevil' and was originally a Spider-Man villain created by Stan Lee who was still used up until recently as a Spider-Man villain. Shit. Why are the rights for Spiderman so tangled up and confusing? How did having the rights for one character turn into owning 900 additional characters you can make movies of? Who the hell comes up with this shit? 'Cause unlike DC who are owned by Warner Bros who are owned by Time Warner Marvel weren't originally owned by Disney and they made deals with multiple movie studios to adapt their series into movies and some of those studios like Sony and Fox kept them and don't want to give them back. Series like Blade, The Punisher and Ghost Rider were sold to other movie studios too but they sold them back to Marvel.
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Post by dazz on Nov 18, 2018 12:42:02 GMT
Shit. Why are the rights for Spiderman so tangled up and confusing? How did having the rights for one character turn into owning 900 additional characters you can make movies of? Who the hell comes up with this shit? 'Cause unlike DC who are owned by Warner Bros who are owned by Time Warner Marvel weren't originally owned by Disney and they made deals with multiple movie studios to adapt their series into movies and some of those studios like Sony and Fox kept them and don't want to give them back. Series like Blade, The Punisher and Ghost Rider were sold to other movie studios too but they sold them back to Marvel. Also 900 characters doesn't mean 900 characters you can make movies about, it means you own the IP or 900 character 90% of which are probably nothing more than a name and job title or living situation, like you could arguably make a Apollo 13 style movie about J Jonah's kid, it would have nothing to do with the Spiderman universe but you own the IP to that character so you could do it, no one would give a shit though.
And it's not they own just the Spidey character, they own the rights to Spidey's stories, for the most part, stuff that goes beyond just Spidey though is either shared or not included, like I think Kingpin at one point was co-owned or Punisher who wasn't included in the Spidey deal, most likely thing is it's not a simple as saying I own the Spidey stories but the companies spent days or weeks hashing out the fine points, ok you onw the Spidey library of characters with the exception oif *insert solo viable characters here*, and vice versa Fox probably specified Mystique in their negotiations.
Then you add in 20+ years of negotiations which has seen TV rights, animated rights, merchandising rights, box office split, level of autonomy and creative freedom all shift and vary for each property multiple times, and has resulted in one side giving up one thing in exchange for another over and over again.
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Post by General Kenobi on Nov 18, 2018 18:06:14 GMT
Maybe Disney should just buy up Sony.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2019 12:44:04 GMT
'Cause unlike DC who are owned by Warner Bros who are owned by Time Warner Marvel weren't originally owned by Disney and they made deals with multiple movie studios to adapt their series into movies and some of those studios like Sony and Fox kept them and don't want to give them back. Series like Blade, The Punisher and Ghost Rider were sold to other movie studios too but they sold them back to Marvel. Also 900 characters doesn't mean 900 characters you can make movies about, it means you own the IP or 900 character 90% of which are probably nothing more than a name and job title or living situation, like you could arguably make a Apollo 13 style movie about J Jonah's kid, it would have nothing to do with the Spiderman universe but you own the IP to that character so you could do it, no one would give a shit though.
And it's not they own just the Spidey character, they own the rights to Spidey's stories, for the most part, stuff that goes beyond just Spidey though is either shared or not included, like I think Kingpin at one point was co-owned or Punisher who wasn't included in the Spidey deal, most likely thing is it's not a simple as saying I own the Spidey stories but the companies spent days or weeks hashing out the fine points, ok you onw the Spidey library of characters with the exception oif *insert solo viable characters here*, and vice versa Fox probably specified Mystique in their negotiations.
Then you add in 20+ years of negotiations which has seen TV rights, animated rights, merchandising rights, box office split, level of autonomy and creative freedom all shift and vary for each property multiple times, and has resulted in one side giving up one thing in exchange for another over and over again.
Ohh. I just remembered Sony own more than the film rights for 'Spider-Man.' They own the film rights for 'Men In Black' too which is another Marvel property they acquired when they bought out Malibu Comics and there are a lot of characters in those comic books so they are probably talking about those too and it is possible Sony own some other Marvel titles they just haven't adapted to screen yet that we don't know about including more of the former Malibu Comics roster and that would be hundreds of characters. You are right about the 'Spider-Man' characters though and they could also be including some of the characters that only appeared once or twice but we found out recently they own 'Spider-Woman' so I am really not sure at this point. General Kenobi mentioned on another thread they had Cindy Moon in 'Spider-Man: Homecoming' and 'Infinity War' but she wasn't Silk in those which is kinda the equivalent of having Gwen Stacy but not SpiderGwen so Sony might be okay with Marvel using Cindy but not Silk. It is confusing but I am still glad to an extent the Spiderverse is being kept separate from the MCU 'cause I don't think most of the Spiderverse superheroes would get a chance on screen as part of the MCU and SpiderGwen for example is from an alternate universe and the MCU has been all about keeping everything in one universe.
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Post by BexxyJ on Jan 8, 2019 7:54:14 GMT
Also 900 characters doesn't mean 900 characters you can make movies about, it means you own the IP or 900 character 90% of which are probably nothing more than a name and job title or living situation, like you could arguably make a Apollo 13 style movie about J Jonah's kid, it would have nothing to do with the Spiderman universe but you own the IP to that character so you could do it, no one would give a shit though.
And it's not they own just the Spidey character, they own the rights to Spidey's stories, for the most part, stuff that goes beyond just Spidey though is either shared or not included, like I think Kingpin at one point was co-owned or Punisher who wasn't included in the Spidey deal, most likely thing is it's not a simple as saying I own the Spidey stories but the companies spent days or weeks hashing out the fine points, ok you onw the Spidey library of characters with the exception oif *insert solo viable characters here*, and vice versa Fox probably specified Mystique in their negotiations.
Then you add in 20+ years of negotiations which has seen TV rights, animated rights, merchandising rights, box office split, level of autonomy and creative freedom all shift and vary for each property multiple times, and has resulted in one side giving up one thing in exchange for another over and over again.
Ohh. I just remembered Sony own more than the film rights for 'Spider-Man.' They own the film rights for 'Men In Black' too which is another Marvel property they acquired when they bought out Malibu Comics and there are a lot of characters in those comic books so they are probably talking about those too and it is possible Sony own some other Marvel titles they just haven't adapted to screen yet that we don't know about including more of the former Malibu Comics roster and that would be hundreds of characters. You are right about the 'Spider-Man' characters though and they could also be including some of the characters that only appeared once or twice but we found out recently they own 'Spider-Woman' so I am really not sure at this point. General Kenobi mentioned on another thread they had Cindy Moon in 'Spider-Man: Homecoming' and 'Infinity War' but she wasn't Silk in those which is kinda the equivalent of having Gwen Stacy but not SpiderGwen so Sony might be okay with Marvel using Cindy but not Silk. It is confusing but I am still glad to an extent the Spiderverse is being kept separate from the MCU 'cause I don't think most of the Spiderverse superheroes would get a chance on screen as part of the MCU and SpiderGwen for example is from an alternate universe and the MCU has been all about keeping everything in one universe.
How do the Men In Black fit into Marvel? Do they help the superheroes fight supervillains with all their weapons and wipe their memories or do the superheroes help them fight aliens? Those memory things could stop a person from being a villain if they erased enough things from their brains. Does this mean Spiderman is going to team up with the Men In Black?
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Post by dazz on Jan 8, 2019 17:53:10 GMT
Ohh. I just remembered Sony own more than the film rights for 'Spider-Man.' They own the film rights for 'Men In Black' too which is another Marvel property they acquired when they bought out Malibu Comics and there are a lot of characters in those comic books so they are probably talking about those too and it is possible Sony own some other Marvel titles they just haven't adapted to screen yet that we don't know about including more of the former Malibu Comics roster and that would be hundreds of characters. You are right about the 'Spider-Man' characters though and they could also be including some of the characters that only appeared once or twice but we found out recently they own 'Spider-Woman' so I am really not sure at this point. General Kenobi mentioned on another thread they had Cindy Moon in 'Spider-Man: Homecoming' and 'Infinity War' but she wasn't Silk in those which is kinda the equivalent of having Gwen Stacy but not SpiderGwen so Sony might be okay with Marvel using Cindy but not Silk. It is confusing but I am still glad to an extent the Spiderverse is being kept separate from the MCU 'cause I don't think most of the Spiderverse superheroes would get a chance on screen as part of the MCU and SpiderGwen for example is from an alternate universe and the MCU has been all about keeping everything in one universe.
How do the Men In Black fit into Marvel? Do they help the superheroes fight supervillains with all their weapons and wipe their memories or do the superheroes help them fight aliens? Those memory things could stop a person from being a villain if they erased enough things from their brains. Does this mean Spiderman is going to team up with the Men In Black? MIB I don't think has tied in with the greater Marvel universe, Marvel acquired the company that acquired the company that originally produce the comic, which there was only 3 issues with originally, as of now I think there have only been 6 issues then some one shots, and the original MIB they didn't just police aliens, but hid the supernatural from the public and supposedly were kind of more nefarious, the movies and animated show basically lightened up and restructured the idea of the series so they were outright good guys.
They would make for a funny cameo but I dunno if with Shield, Sword and all the other groups in the Marvel world how meaningful an MIB would be.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jan 10, 2019 18:25:55 GMT
Yeah, I'm pretty sure MiB was not part of the MCU when Marvel Comics owned it. Also, dazz brings up a good point. We already have government organizations that do what the Men In Black does, wo what would make them unique in the Marvel Universe?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 11:50:30 GMT
Ohh. I just remembered Sony own more than the film rights for 'Spider-Man.' They own the film rights for 'Men In Black' too which is another Marvel property they acquired when they bought out Malibu Comics and there are a lot of characters in those comic books so they are probably talking about those too and it is possible Sony own some other Marvel titles they just haven't adapted to screen yet that we don't know about including more of the former Malibu Comics roster and that would be hundreds of characters. You are right about the 'Spider-Man' characters though and they could also be including some of the characters that only appeared once or twice but we found out recently they own 'Spider-Woman' so I am really not sure at this point. General Kenobi mentioned on another thread they had Cindy Moon in 'Spider-Man: Homecoming' and 'Infinity War' but she wasn't Silk in those which is kinda the equivalent of having Gwen Stacy but not SpiderGwen so Sony might be okay with Marvel using Cindy but not Silk. It is confusing but I am still glad to an extent the Spiderverse is being kept separate from the MCU 'cause I don't think most of the Spiderverse superheroes would get a chance on screen as part of the MCU and SpiderGwen for example is from an alternate universe and the MCU has been all about keeping everything in one universe.
How do the Men In Black fit into Marvel? Do they help the superheroes fight supervillains with all their weapons and wipe their memories or do the superheroes help them fight aliens? Those memory things could stop a person from being a villain if they erased enough things from their brains. Does this mean Spiderman is going to team up with the Men In Black? How do the Men In Black fit into Marvel? Do they help the superheroes fight supervillains with all their weapons and wipe their memories or do the superheroes help them fight aliens? Those memory things could stop a person from being a villain if they erased enough things from their brains. Does this mean Spiderman is going to team up with the Men In Black? MIB I don't think has tied in with the greater Marvel universe, Marvel acquired the company that acquired the company that originally produce the comic, which there was only 3 issues with originally, as of now I think there have only been 6 issues then some one shots, and the original MIB they didn't just police aliens, but hid the supernatural from the public and supposedly were kind of more nefarious, the movies and animated show basically lightened up and restructured the idea of the series so they were outright good guys.
They would make for a funny cameo but I dunno if with Shield, Sword and all the other groups in the Marvel world how meaningful an MIB would be.
I kinda agree with what dazz and General Kenobi wrote and to my knowledge I am pretty sure they haven't tried to fit the 'Men In Black' into the Marvel universe or it would have been talked about on a lot of sites and they remain a separate property that is owned by Marvel. That being said I think they could be meaningful in the MCU 'cause they bring a whole variety of aliens including some really nasty gross looking ones we haven't seen any of the superheroes fight before and it would be interesting seeing how some of them would go fighting them since they don't believe in killing like the Men In Black do which would make them harder to defeat. I think the two universes would have trouble mixing together though and it is like trying to have Blade especially Wesley Snipes version of the character in the MCU and if they added Blade now there would be the question of why we have never seen vampires when they have existed for thousands of years (like they did in the 'Blade' Trinity) and why the superheroes have never fought them and Blade is the only one left to deal with them on his own. With the MCU they have made it very clear they want to keep everything connected and together which is why a SpiderGwen movie couldn't work under the MCU and the existence of the Men In Black especially with Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones would leave too many questions.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jan 26, 2019 14:52:10 GMT
Does anyone know if Marvel even still owns Men in Black? IIRC, the last time they did anything with the comics was way back in 1997. For all we know they might no longer own the comics.
At any rate the film rights are owned by Sony, and there is no way they will sell them back to Marvel so they can make movies set in the MCU.
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Post by BexxyJ on Jan 27, 2019 12:54:55 GMT
Does anyone know if Marvel even still owns Men in Black? IIRC, the last time they did anything with the comics was way back in 1997. For all we know they might no longer own the comics. At any rate the film rights are owned by Sony, and there is no way they will sell them back to Marvel so they can make movies set in the MCU. They don't make Men in black comics anymore? What happened, did they kill them off?
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Post by BexxyJ on Jan 27, 2019 12:56:28 GMT
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Post by General Kenobi on Jan 27, 2019 16:28:18 GMT
Blade and Spider-Man have worked together in the past. At least in an animated series.
I'm pretty sue they've worked together in the comics too. Quite possibly in Marvel Team-Up.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 11:55:58 GMT
Does anyone know if Marvel even still owns Men in Black? IIRC, the last time they did anything with the comics was way back in 1997. For all we know they might no longer own the comics. At any rate the film rights are owned by Sony, and there is no way they will sell them back to Marvel so they can make movies set in the MCU. I am pretty sure Marvel still own it. I can't find anywhere saying the comic book rights were picked up by another company and if they were they would probably be making more 'Men In Black' comic books now with the new movie coming. I think Marvel is keeping the comic book rights so nobody else can have it just like some of our TV Networks do here with American TV shows they don't want other channels getting ratings with 'cause they haven't published any 'Men In Black' comic books in years which is very strange since we got an animated series that ran for four seasons but they just stopped releasing the comic books completely when they picked it up along with a number of other series that were under Malibu Comics. Sony definitely own the movie rights and I am annoyed they are going with a spin off when Will Smith wanted to make one last movie. They should finish the original franchise off with one more in the main continuity.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 9:18:40 GMT
@deblovesbeccy looks alright, couldve been better. First season rocked, so Im definitely tuning in
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Feb 22, 2019 15:59:15 GMT
Season 2 looks awesome.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2019 12:07:51 GMT
@deblovesbeccy looks alright, couldve been better. First season rocked, so Im definitely tuning in I am looking forward to seeing it too @red . I didn't enjoy 'Cloak and Dagger' as much as 'The Runaways' and 'The Gifted' and I am interested in seeing where they go with Brigid O'Reilly now we know she is going to become Mayhem. I am hoping they go for more of a Superhero direction this season than a Drama one 'cause the first season felt far more like a Drama than a superhero show and while the same can be said about 'The Runaways' to an extent I have been reading 'Cloak and Dagger' comic books and they are established heroes in them who have been fighting villains for years and we are not seeing that in the show yet but hopefully that will change as it goes on. Speaking of 'The Runways' we are supposed to be getting the 'Runaways/ Cloak and Dagger' crossover episode this season and I hope that is good.
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Post by General Kenobi on Mar 19, 2019 18:02:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2019 12:31:47 GMT
It looks like there is going to be a big time jump between seasons 1 and 2 of 'Marvel's Cloak and Dagger' and when it returns they are going to be more experienced as heroes. I am interested in seeing how this changes the show going forward 'cause the first season felt more like a Drama than a Superhero TV Show and I would like to see them focus more on the characters being superheroes and fighting villains from the comic books. Cloak & Dagger Season 2 Takes Place After a Large Time Jumpscreenrant.com/cloak-dagger-season-2-large-time-jump/
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