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Post by politicidal on Mar 21, 2018 17:19:08 GMT
Bring it on.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 21, 2018 17:24:39 GMT
OK, here's a different path. You have said that God can choose to learn about future events (thusly): "Would it be omniscience if one could choose to know something? This actually describes God,Jehovah/Yahweh" "I'm saying that future or not, God chooses to learn things"
This means that God, if he had chosen to, could have learned that the first human couple that he is going to create will be deceived by one of his own angels into disobeying him. Is that not right, or will you try to avoid acknowledging that that is what it must mean?
That's not what that means. It means that if omniscience requires knowing everything about the future and past and present, then God is not omniscient. The issue is omniscience requires a time component apparently. It is the thing that requires the future to exist now. With that out of the way, would you like to discuss the future?  |
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Post by Isapop on Mar 21, 2018 17:42:53 GMT
OK, here's a different path. You have said that God can choose to learn about future events (thusly): "Would it be omniscience if one could choose to know something? This actually describes God,Jehovah/Yahweh" "I'm saying that future or not, God chooses to learn things"
This means that God, if he had chosen to, could have learned that the first human couple that he is going to create will be deceived by one of his own angels into disobeying him. Is that not right, or will you try to avoid acknowledging that that is what it must mean?
OK, by that definition God is not omniscient; that is irrelevant to what I have asked you. My question is based on YOUR assertion about God's abilities.How can it not? You have said that God can choose to learn about future events. How could that ability not include, if he chose to, learning about the future disobedience of Adam & Eve? (Again, not that he's required to, but that he could have learned it if he chose to.)
Are you really going to say that God couldn't have learned that if he chose to after telling us that God can choose to learn of future events?
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Post by cupcakes on Mar 22, 2018 18:26:02 GMT
tpfkar If I could shut it off whenever I want, then sure. Would it be omniscience if one could choose to know something? This actually describes God,Jehovah/Yahweh, but most have a hard time believing it. It's ok to be a god and not be omniscient. It actually should be the preferred state. Still so many ways for a god to be a bastard though.
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Post by Isapop on Mar 22, 2018 22:25:03 GMT
You have said that God can choose to learn about future events. How could that ability not include, if he chose to, learning about the future disobedience of Adam & Eve? (Again, not that he's required to, but that he could have learned it if he chose to.)
Are you really going to say that God couldn't have learned that if he chose to after telling us that God can choose to learn of future events?
CoolJGS☺
Apparently, this is yet another question you just duck away from. So, I'll just have to conclude with this, based on something else you said: It stands to reason that anyone reading your words would have a hard time believing it. When you gainsay that which must logically follow from your assertion, you provide good reason to conclude that your assertion is worthless. |
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