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Post by thenewnexus on Apr 3, 2018 3:35:29 GMT
Both this and TFA both suck
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2018 19:39:09 GMT
I disagree i think its the third worse Star Wars movie. Its not very good but still better than Episode I and II.
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Post by shinnickneth on Apr 17, 2018 21:51:28 GMT
Episode 7 didn't make me loath the new characters (I did find Rey talking-back to Han outside the Falcon when he was only trying to help her a little disrespectful though), didn't have pacing issues, didn't have a scene of iconic Luke Skywalker milking a multi-tittied alien, didn't regulate 8 Star Wars movies of Jedi/Sith mythos to being meaningless, didn't toss-out the main antagonists after building them up, didn't disrespect everything Luke Skywalker stood for, didn't contradict the prior movies, didn't have some of the most dumbed down comedy in a Star Wars movie (although this one is just my personal opinion), didn't have superfluous characters (although I didn't really care all that much for Maz to be honest), didn't have Leia flying through space like Superman, etc. I will be honest and say I didn't care for Jar Jar during the prequel era. I didn't care for some things about Episode 7 either. However, Episode 8 was the first time I flat out felt insulted as a Star Wars fan. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Apr 18, 2018 16:16:02 GMT
Episode 7 didn't make me loath the new characters (I did find Rey talking-back to Han outside the Falcon when he was only trying to help her a little disrespectful though), didn't have pacing issues, didn't have a scene of iconic Luke Skywalker milking a multi-tittied alien, didn't regulate 8 Star Wars movies of Jedi/Sith mythos to being meaningless, didn't toss-out the main antagonists after building them up, didn't disrespect everything Luke Skywalker stood for, didn't contradict the prior movies, didn't have some of the most dumbed down comedy in a Star Wars movie (although this one is just my personal opinion), didn't have superfluous characters (although I didn't really care all that much for Maz to be honest), didn't have Leia flying through space like Superman, etc. I will be honest and say I didn't care for Jar Jar during the prequel era. I didn't care for some things about Episode 7 either. However, Episode 8 was the first time I flat out felt insulted as a Star Wars fan. Well, that describes how I felt about VII, I was quite numb and indifferent when VIII came along, and I knew the heavy spoilers (like Carry Poppins and Snoke being Maul-ed in half) so it did not shock me.
Us nerds we will discuss to the end of days which one was worse.
VII and VIII are the same in almost every way, including their quest for more rehash.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 18, 2018 16:27:11 GMT
Both this and TFA both suck Boom. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2018 21:52:55 GMT
I will be honest and say I didn't care for Jar Jar during the prequel era. I didn't care for some things about Episode 7 either. However, Episode 8 was the first time I flat out felt insulted as a Star Wars fan.Me too. First time I've ever been angry after watching any movie. That has never happened before. I'm quite ashamed of it, but there it is. I left all pissed off and I'm still pissed. |
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 18, 2018 23:25:07 GMT
I will be honest and say I didn't care for Jar Jar during the prequel era. I didn't care for some things about Episode 7 either. However, Episode 8 was the first time I flat out felt insulted as a Star Wars fan.Me too. First time I've ever been angry after watching any movie. That has never happened before. I'm quite ashamed of it, but there it is. I left all pissed off and I'm still pissed. It's so understandable. There were things that rubbed me the wrong way about episode 7 as you well know - and I had strong opinions about. Having said that I was a little hopeful that Rian Johnson might carry over any good things about it and tone down some of the issues I had with episode 7... I have said this before and I am going to (now) say it again. I don't blame Rian Johnson for not handcuffing himself to all of JJ Abrams mystery box. I know some people would've had it against him if he even dropped the ball with one of those storyline elements. But c'mon!... You couldn't have made an attempt at half? A third maybe? I think I went over all of the "mystery box" storylines once out of curiosity. And I came up with Rian Johnson only answering one of them. And it was so minor that I don't even remember what it was. And, even though Finn toned down his stooge act, the Disney channel humor just got worse. What they did to Luke's characterization was unforgivable. And what they didn't do with Snoke's backstory was unforgivable. Ugh! Okay. I better stop now before I start getting pissed again and have trouble formulating thoughts. |
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Post by summers8 on Apr 18, 2018 23:46:21 GMT
I will not say its the worst but critics should have been more honest about the movie.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 19, 2018 0:46:20 GMT
I will not say its the worst but critics should have been more honest about the movie. At the very least. |
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Post by shinnickneth on Apr 19, 2018 3:36:31 GMT
I will not say its the worst but critics should have been more honest about the movie. What did they say? I haven't read a critic's review since probably the 90's. Very rarely did I agree with any of them when I did anyway. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 21, 2018 14:05:52 GMT
I will not say its the worst but critics should have been more honest about the movie. What did they say? I haven't read a critic's review since probably the 90's. Very rarely did I agree with any of them when I did anyway. They pretty much all said it was the best Star Wars movie since 1980. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Apr 21, 2018 14:36:55 GMT
"Best Star Wars since Empire Strikes Back!"
And
"Better than Empire!"
We're some of the critics comments for their reviews. I don't know if they were paid by Disney or are hipsters.
Either way I hated them all.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 21, 2018 14:40:02 GMT
"Best Star Wars since Empire Strikes Back!" And "Better than Empire!" We're some of the critics comments for their reviews. I don't know if they were paid by Disney or are hipsters. Either way I hated them all. That's how you knew it was REALLY a piece of shit, when they broke out the "Empire" comparisons in lockstep -- almost as if they were... instructed to do so... like this: |
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Post by ryboto on Apr 24, 2018 21:01:33 GMT
The RT score isn't quite accurate...
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on May 12, 2018 10:43:01 GMT
TLJ is by far the worst Star Wars film.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on May 13, 2018 1:19:23 GMT
TFA was the pinnacle of rehash, Fine, but as I wrote; a rehash of Star Wars canon remains within Star Wars canon. rehashing comes in nuances and degrees. I'm not going to debate "nuances and degrees" with you because that leads directly to gut reactions and personal taste. * My argument has nothing to do with gut emotions. * First, my view is based on my recognizing plot points in Star Wars live action films which are consistent and therefore in canon. - For instance in ESB Vader cuts Luke's hand off with a lightsaber. - In ROTJ Luke cuts Vader's hand off with a lightsaber. - A lightsaber cutting off a hand in one SW movie = a lightsaber cutting off a hand in another SW film which is consistent with canon. * I imagine your emotional reaction is to consider the ROTJ hand cutting as nuanced or I could add more descriptive terms; artistic, thrilling, etc. ** But these subjective descriptions based on personal taste are not important for my part in this discussion. Last Jedi is different. Not only is it badly written from the basic rules of story writing but it has things which are a complete violation of canon from the original trilogy. - Remember the end of A New Hope? When everyone was happy? That's about a victory. No says Rian Johnson, the end of ANH was about a failure because everything the Jedi try to do are failures & they should disappear. - The same thing applies to the end of Return of the Jedi which was also about a victory with smiling Jedi Luke & the Jedi Force ghosts. Johnson says that celebration was also really a failure because that is all the Jedi can do now, be failures. - This is why the Last Jedi sinks to the bottom of all Star Wars movies. Not because I feel bad about it. Because it violates obvious facts about the basic meaning of the Jedi and their victories from the original trilogy. Thank you for at least agreeing with me that Last Jedi violates basic SW canon from the OT. The OT achievements, lore and character arcs were indeed nullified. But that was done in TFA already. No. Luke failed to establish a Jedi Order Obi-Wan and Yoda in the OT also failed to establish a Jedi Order. Not establishing a Jedi Order or having trouble doing so is consistent with SW canon. Do Obi-Wan and Yoda redeem Anakin in the prequels? No. Not redeeming a Force user who is attracted to the Dark side is consistent with SW canon. Do Obi-Wan and Yoda destroy Palpatine in the prequels? No. Not destroying a master dark side Force user is consistent with SW canon. (Luke) hides on an unfindable island. And in the OT Obi-Wan hides on Tatooine and Yoda hides on Degobah. Jedi hiding from a master dark side Force user is consistent with SW canon. - Where in the OT and PT could you "download" the Force and any ability you need by closing your eyes?
To me the proper explanation was that Rey learned the ways of the Force before coming to Jakku.
Those memories were repressed and emerged during TFA.
* That's the way her backstory should have been written in TLJ. But Disney hired Rian Johnson. And he has no clue about Star Wars canon and Johnson blew it when writing Rey's backstory. * It was well known what the expectations were of many of the fans for TLJ. Many fans wanted TLJ to be consistent with SW canon. Johnson with the blessing of the studio violated fan expectations & SW canon. That may be your interpretation of it, but it wasn't written that way. JJ Abrams (in collaboration with Ava Duvernay) wrote Rey as having a Force download when she closed her eyes in her duel with Kylo in the forest. An instantaneous acquisition of awesome Force power sufficient to overwhelm Kylo in power and skill. It's every bit as non-canon, and as big of a violation as anything Rian Johnson wrote (if not more). Kylo praying to Vader's helmet was Jar Jar Abrams mystery box. It was a storyline that wasn't ever going to be answered, which is why he had no input to give to Johnson on what it meant or where it was supposed to go. And that's why Johnson dropped it in TLJ. Why would Kylo pray to Vader when he ended his life going over to the Lightside (becoming a Force ghost)? Why was he under the impression that he would get an answer? How many times had Kylo previously done this? And what experience was he having that indicated that it was working? Unless you can provide specific answers (that harmonize with canon) then it does look like something that violates canon. Abrams never developed it so neither did Johnson. |
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Post by CrepedCrusader on May 13, 2018 23:53:39 GMT
73*% on IMDb, A- Cinema Score.
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Post by Power Ranger on May 30, 2018 19:27:18 GMT
At least TFA treated Han fairly well. And Leia and their relationship. But TLJ did not do Luke justice.
TFA wins in that department.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2018 21:26:15 GMT
At least TFA treated Han fairly well. And Keia and their relationship. But TLJ did not do Luke justice. TFA wins in that department. It was so bad that I wasn't even Luke anymore! I go by Jake now. |
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Post by HorrorMetal on Jun 1, 2018 13:42:15 GMT
I disagree i think its the third worse Star Wars movie. Its not very good but still better than Episode I and II. Agreed. |
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jeez, must I be the hipster here? Have you all forgotten the fanfic rehash abomination that was TFA...?
