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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 12:06:55 GMT
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Post by hardball on Mar 28, 2018 14:39:25 GMT
This is the one thing I hate about these shows, the breaks. It's annoying and slows down the momentum. Maybe it has something to do with the ratings or schedule, but it's irritating. It feels like forever since I've seen Supergirl.
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Post by hardball on Mar 28, 2018 14:41:13 GMT
Not sure how team Flash will deal with DeVoe. I still think season 1 is the best in the series so far, but I like that the showrunners changed things up and didn't use a speedster again.
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Post by General Kenobi on Mar 28, 2018 14:42:12 GMT
I think they went too far in getting away from speedsters by using a villain whose biggest character trait is his love of sitting on his ass.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2018 10:59:24 GMT
This is the one thing I hate about these shows, the breaks. It's annoying and slows down the momentum. Maybe it has something to do with the ratings or schedule, but it's irritating. It feels like forever since I've seen Supergirl. Yeah. I hate that too and being in Australia makes it more confusing 'cause I don't know if it is the channels here doing it or America is having a break from the shows 'cause we have a number of shows we are behind with here like 'Supernatural' that the networks just take off anytime they see fit to and Channel 9 took off 'Gotham' here for a year when we were halfway through the first season and then they turned around and aired Season 2 out of the blue late at night when Season 3 was airing in America. I am glad it has moved to Foxtel now 'cause free to air channels are hopeless with most American TV shows here. I don't remember there being this many breaks between shows back in the 90s and 00s but we were behind with them back then.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2018 11:04:14 GMT
I think they went too far in getting away from speedsters by using a villain whose biggest character trait is his love of sitting on his ass. I think Black Flash would have been a better villain this season if they hadn't de-powered him and killed him off so easily. He was another speedster but he was one that was dead and couldn't be killed. In the comic books he was one of the Flash's deadliest opponents and killed both Barry Allen and Wally West and Impulse was the only one who was fast enough to beat him. DeVoe has been extremely disappointing and boring and I just can't wait until he is gone.
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Post by hardball on Mar 30, 2018 13:06:16 GMT
This is the one thing I hate about these shows, the breaks. It's annoying and slows down the momentum. Maybe it has something to do with the ratings or schedule, but it's irritating. It feels like forever since I've seen Supergirl. Yeah. I hate that too and being in Australia makes it more confusing 'cause I don't know if it is the channels here doing it or America is having a break from the shows 'cause we have a number of shows we are behind with here like 'Supernatural' that the networks just take off anytime they see fit to and Channel 9 took off 'Gotham' here for a year when we were halfway through the first season and then they turned around and aired Season 2 out of the blue late at night when Season 3 was airing in America. I am glad it has moved to Foxtel now 'cause free to air channels are hopeless with most American TV shows here. I don't remember there being this many breaks between shows back in the 90s and 00s but we were behind with them back then. I did some digging and yes, US shows go on a break to get the best possible ratings and highest possible revenue. It sucks.
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Post by hardball on Mar 30, 2018 13:16:27 GMT
I think they went too far in getting away from speedsters by using a villain whose biggest character trait is his love of sitting on his ass. I think Black Flash would have been a better villain this season if they hadn't de-powered him and killed him off so easily. He was another speedster but he was one that was dead and couldn't be killed. In the comic books he was one of the Flash's deadliest opponents and killed both Barry Allen and Wally West and Impulse was the only one who was fast enough to beat him. DeVoe has been extremely disappointing and boring and I just can't wait until he is gone.
I get what you're saying about DeVoe. After Reverse Flash, Zoom and Savitar, he's kind of a letdown. What I do like about him is he's like the antithesis of the Flash. While Barry is about speed and action, DeVoe is more deliberate in his approach. I also like how the writers have fleshed out his wife's character. The DeVoes' background story - and her conversation with Barry when they captured him - gives you an idea of her devotion to her husband. Yet when he transferred his consciousness to Dominic, she seemed uncomfortable with it, and DeVoe knew it too. Watching her with Becky Sharpe is also interesting. I found myself wondering what it would be like to be in her shoes, seeing the one you love in another person's body, and in this case, has become a woman. I can't remember if it was Dominic or Becky who reprimanded her at one point, and I thought that it meant she would turn against him. She still might who knows.
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Post by General Kenobi on Apr 2, 2018 14:28:26 GMT
I think it's a problem when your back bad has less development than his assistant.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2018 13:09:28 GMT
Yeah. I hate that too and being in Australia makes it more confusing 'cause I don't know if it is the channels here doing it or America is having a break from the shows 'cause we have a number of shows we are behind with here like 'Supernatural' that the networks just take off anytime they see fit to and Channel 9 took off 'Gotham' here for a year when we were halfway through the first season and then they turned around and aired Season 2 out of the blue late at night when Season 3 was airing in America. I am glad it has moved to Foxtel now 'cause free to air channels are hopeless with most American TV shows here. I don't remember there being this many breaks between shows back in the 90s and 00s but we were behind with them back then. I did some digging and yes, US shows go on a break to get the best possible ratings and highest possible revenue. It sucks. That explains it and they do that with some shows here and the lowest rated shows usually air around Christmas time on free to air which is seen as the non ratings period but then they air shows like 'Scorpion' for two and a half seasons and spread them out and don't bother bringing them back and I heard they are nearly up to Season 5 of that now and we have yet to see the end of Season 3.
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Post by General Kenobi on Apr 4, 2018 13:16:37 GMT
Just out of curiosity how many episodes does the typical Australian show get and when does a season usually run? Just curious how it differs from America.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2018 13:18:14 GMT
I think Black Flash would have been a better villain this season if they hadn't de-powered him and killed him off so easily. He was another speedster but he was one that was dead and couldn't be killed. In the comic books he was one of the Flash's deadliest opponents and killed both Barry Allen and Wally West and Impulse was the only one who was fast enough to beat him. DeVoe has been extremely disappointing and boring and I just can't wait until he is gone.
I get what you're saying about DeVoe. After Reverse Flash, Zoom and Savitar, he's kind of a letdown. What I do like about him is he's like the antithesis of the Flash. While Barry is about speed and action, DeVoe is more deliberate in his approach. I also like how the writers have fleshed out his wife's character. The DeVoes' background story - and her conversation with Barry when they captured him - gives you an idea of her devotion to her husband. Yet when he transferred his consciousness to Dominic, she seemed uncomfortable with it, and DeVoe knew it too. Watching her with Becky Sharpe is also interesting. I found myself wondering what it would be like to be in her shoes, seeing the one you love in another person's body, and in this case, has become a woman. I can't remember if it was Dominic or Becky who reprimanded her at one point, and I thought that it meant she would turn against him. She still might who knows. To be fair I think the concept of DeVoe was good and on paper he sounds like an interesting villain but the problem for me is how they have translated him onto screen and there are so many things that make no sense with him or don't line up like how he become evil when he originally wanted to use his knowledge to help people and why he hates Barry so much. I liked the robot samurai and I think this season would have been better if they had him set a whole army of robot samurais and other robots he created on the city for the Flash to fight. We saw how much trouble the Flash had facing just one of those things so more robot samurais or other bigger robots would have been fun to see and would have posed a bigger challenge for Barry.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2018 13:27:02 GMT
Just out of curiosity how many episodes does the typical Australian show get and when does a season usually run? Just curious how it differs from America. It depends on the shows. Some of our shows like 'The Secret Daughter', Offspring', '800 Words', 'Wonderland', 'Secret City', 'Love My Way' and 'Love Child' only get 8-13 episodes a season while other shows like 'The Wrong Girl', 'Packed to the Rafters', 'Blue Heelers' and 'All Saints' have had 18-40 episodes a season. They tend to vary but 'Home and Away' and 'Neighbours' go all year long like soap shows.
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Post by hardball on Apr 4, 2018 14:38:36 GMT
I get what you're saying about DeVoe. After Reverse Flash, Zoom and Savitar, he's kind of a letdown. What I do like about him is he's like the antithesis of the Flash. While Barry is about speed and action, DeVoe is more deliberate in his approach. I also like how the writers have fleshed out his wife's character. The DeVoes' background story - and her conversation with Barry when they captured him - gives you an idea of her devotion to her husband. Yet when he transferred his consciousness to Dominic, she seemed uncomfortable with it, and DeVoe knew it too. Watching her with Becky Sharpe is also interesting. I found myself wondering what it would be like to be in her shoes, seeing the one you love in another person's body, and in this case, has become a woman. I can't remember if it was Dominic or Becky who reprimanded her at one point, and I thought that it meant she would turn against him. She still might who knows. To be fair I think the concept of DeVoe was good and on paper he sounds like an interesting villain but the problem for me is how they have translated him onto screen and there are so many things that make no sense with him or don't line up like how he become evil when he originally wanted to use his knowledge to help people and why he hates Barry so much. I liked the robot samurai and I think this season would have been better if they had him set a whole army of robot samurais and other robots he created on the city for the Flash to fight. We saw how much trouble the Flash had facing just one of those things so more robot samurais or other bigger robots would have been fun to see and would have posed a bigger challenge for Barry. I think DeVoe's actions aren't making sense because the show hasn't yet revealed his master plan or motivations. All I know is he seems to be collecting metahuman powers, but to what ends is not clear. Yes he had good intentions, but I suspect the thinking cap and particle accelerator, while giving him superior intellect, also affected his way of thinking and views on morality, i.e the end justifies the means. He may be planning something that will enhance people's minds, but at a price.
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Post by General Kenobi on Apr 4, 2018 18:18:41 GMT
For some warped reason DeVoe's motivation (or lack thereof) reminds me of this:
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Post by dazz on Apr 5, 2018 23:48:36 GMT
I think DeVoe would have been an interesting choice especially if they stuck with the idea that DeVoe wasn't evil so much as he was driven, and the end of the season revealed DeVoe's plan was to force Barry back into the world and to make him even faster & stronger, that DeVoe had no master plan to conquer or rule but that DeVoe was simply the villain Barry needed to prepare him for the villain that is about to come.
This would of allowed DeVoe to stand out as a villain because ultimately he wasn't one, all the bus meta's he "killed" he could restore at the end of the season and then die from his condition, and it sets up for a major threat to be faced in S5 which could be another speedster since we got a season break or not but either way it would hype S5 up as all of S4 would be specifically designed to lead into S5, but they didn't do this they fucked it up and made Devoe the typical I'm a good guy ooh but I turned evil with a dash of date rapeyness for good measure well done fuckers you gone fucked it.
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Post by northernlad on Apr 6, 2018 4:37:37 GMT
I'd like to know why this show takes so many breaks? I love the show and I'm hooked...but damn, it seems like it's hardly ever on with a new episode. Is it because of all the special effects? What gives?
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Post by dazz on Apr 6, 2018 10:43:24 GMT
With Flash & Arrow I think they have to do juggling sometimes to keep the shows inline with each others synchronicity, Supergirl is on a different earth, Legends can exist in any time period required, but Flash & Arrow share the same progression of time, so if either one is going to do a major event that is referred to in the other even in passing they cant have the shows be out of sync or they give away events.
Arrow & Flash are the ones that have the most choppy schedules and I think that's why, and it could be just to ensure they don't spoil their other shows or maybe there's a specific crossover happening, so the shows need to line up as obviously if say Cisco is going to do an ep of Arrow he either wont be in or will be minimally featured in that weeks Flash because they film the shows at the same time and the actor cant be on both sets at the same time.
Then again this year I think they got messed with thanks to the winter Olympics, if a major event is going on that attracts a specific networks key demo then they'll take precautions not to waste an episode on a low potential audience, problem is the CW shows really take a hit after X-Mas ratings wise which I wouldn't be surprised is because of just how choppy their schedules are, kind of a self defeating approach, they stop and start to max their ratings but all they end up doing is losing a large chunk of the audience who just watch it once the season ends via streaming services or reruns.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 13:38:58 GMT
To be fair I think the concept of DeVoe was good and on paper he sounds like an interesting villain but the problem for me is how they have translated him onto screen and there are so many things that make no sense with him or don't line up like how he become evil when he originally wanted to use his knowledge to help people and why he hates Barry so much. I liked the robot samurai and I think this season would have been better if they had him set a whole army of robot samurais and other robots he created on the city for the Flash to fight. We saw how much trouble the Flash had facing just one of those things so more robot samurais or other bigger robots would have been fun to see and would have posed a bigger challenge for Barry. I think DeVoe's actions aren't making sense because the show hasn't yet revealed his master plan or motivations. All I know is he seems to be collecting metahuman powers, but to what ends is not clear. Yes he had good intentions, but I suspect the thinking cap and particle accelerator, while giving him superior intellect, also affected his way of thinking and views on morality, i.e the end justifies the means. He may be planning something that will enhance people's minds, but at a price. You are right. The writers of the show have yet to reveal his master plan or motivation which is surprising considering we usually know that with most villains on this show after the first episode they have appeared in and they might be doing that to drag out the intrigue and keep fans guessing until they decide to reveal them but I worry they are not going to reveal them at all and we are going to go away from this season having just as many questions as we did in the beginning 'cause they don't know what they are doing themselves and it will never be revealed why DeVoe become a villain or hated The Flash so much. Hopefully I will be proven wrong and we will get some answers but I just don't see him as being a spectacular villain and have been disappointed. I liked the concept of the character as I mentioned before but I feel there was so much more they could have done with him that they couldn't do and if they were going to give the Flash an opponent than spent most of his time in a wheelchair they should have had people or more robots working for him The Flash could have fought throughout the series.
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Post by hardball on Apr 11, 2018 13:51:51 GMT
I think DeVoe's actions aren't making sense because the show hasn't yet revealed his master plan or motivations. All I know is he seems to be collecting metahuman powers, but to what ends is not clear. Yes he had good intentions, but I suspect the thinking cap and particle accelerator, while giving him superior intellect, also affected his way of thinking and views on morality, i.e the end justifies the means. He may be planning something that will enhance people's minds, but at a price. You are right. The writers of the show have yet to reveal his master plan or motivation which is surprising considering we usually know that with most villains on this show after the first episode they have appeared in and they might be doing that to drag out the intrigue and keep fans guessing until they decide to reveal them but I worry they are not going to reveal them at all and we are going to go away from this season having just as many questions as we did in the beginning 'cause they don't know what they are doing themselves and it will never be revealed why DeVoe become a villain or hated The Flash so much. Hopefully I will be proven wrong and we will get some answers but I just don't see him as being a spectacular villain and have been disappointed. I liked the concept of the character as I mentioned before but I feel there was so much more they could have done with him that they couldn't do and if they were going to give the Flash an opponent than spent most of his time in a wheelchair they should have had people or more robots working for him The Flash could have fought throughout the series. Wow Deb you must be reading my mind, because not revealing DeVoe's motivations is exactly what I'm afraid of. There are a lot of possible reasons they could provide for DeVoe's motivation like taking the next step towards accelerating human evolution and intelligence. But how disappointing it will be if the writers don't bring it up at all, or his motive is he somehow blames the Flash for his medical condition. At least with RF, Zoom and Savitar we got a good idea of their motives which helped propel the story. Let's hope the same thing happens here.
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